Maineiacs wrote:The final design should include both a kiwi and a sheep.
Ah! The legendary shiwi!
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by Forsher » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:53 am
Olivaero wrote:I actually gave justification for change later in the post,
change away from what the current New Zealand flag represents which is where New Zealand came from to a flag of the ideals of New Zealand currently. People do want it now but if there was a proper public debate about it rather than mudslinging in the press could that be changed?
Informed debate is the corner stone of democracy and there should be one before the referendum.
Also it can entirely be up to a government to initiate change it doesn't need to be a grass roots movement it's not paternalistic to do so the whole idea of a referendum is expressly anti-patenalistic, if there was low turnout yet the government still went ahead with the idea then that would be paternalistic.
Hahahahaha are you actually trying to imply that I'm a big old racist?
Plurinationalism does not mean what you think it means, and can exist alongside multiculturalism it means that there is respect for maori customs and culture alongside colonist descendants. A British example would be the fact that people can be Scottish and British or both. Or Welsh or British or both. The Welsh one is particularly relevant because but along side the countries other large minority groups they only have a small population advantage however Welsh is a language that's used on road signs and has been supported through the school system because they are a nation, just like the Maori are.
When I said "I have no idea if this represents the reality of New Zealand today" I meant I don't know how inclusive Maori and settler descendant society is, you'll forgive me for not being a New Zealand expert there are a lot of states in the world with different kinds of relations with their aboriginal peoples.
which is all fine and good but the flag as it is right now seems to represent the heritage of one group it was chosen by that one group. if you want it to be everyone inclusive and not just colonist descendant or Maori then thats fine, admirable even but I think there are better flags for that then. The state has been built up and changed vastly over time so I think the flag should represent this. However I do agree with you that the way the referendum is being staged is fucked up and non of the 4 flags seem to do what you want so I can completely understand sticking with the same flag from your perspective.
Rhodesia wrote:Atlanticatia wrote:I've decided I'm a fan of the red peak flag.
http://aotearoaflag.tumblr.com
Upset it didn't make it to the referendum shortlist. None of the four excite me much.
Whilst I support retaining the current flag, you make a good point here.
That flag is a good flag. It's simplistic, transcendental and has meaning. However, the committee choosing the finalists didn't give a shit for anything like that; they cared for a logo. All they were looking for was something that would look good on a t-shirt. Hence why we have three takes on the same design in the final four.
I'd rather see the red peak flag included at the expense of one of those awful silver fern designs.
greed and death wrote:The Governor General has said he will not assent to a flag change that lacks the Union Jack.
Ashworth-Attwater wrote:Whatever doesn't have the banner of a genocidal colonial empire on its upper left corner.
by Victoriala » Wed Sep 09, 2015 5:07 am
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Fucking little island person. 陰 and 陽 but mostly 陰. I draw and do designs.
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by Forsher » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:35 am
Victoriala wrote:https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/design/20157
https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-wit ... esign/1165
https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-wit ... sign/27721
https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-wit ... sign/32079
I like these better. More ethnic and symbolic.
by The Blaatschapen » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:42 am
Forsher wrote:Victoriala wrote:https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-with-government/the-nz-flag-your-chance-to-decide/gallery/design/20157
https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-wit ... esign/1165
https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-wit ... sign/27721
https://www.govt.nz/browse/engaging-wit ... sign/32079
I like these better. More ethnic and symbolic.
"Ethnic" reminded me immediately of Gauguin.
Also, while strictly speaking I believe the importance of red is tied to the specific practices of the iwi which had the greatest influence on the carving school that is largely responsible for resurrecting the art, blue doesn't really have any real connection with Maoridom and, in that shade, with New Zealand either (we're more Chelsea than Manchester City). Also, it should never have been in that so called "long list" because it's just a colour variation of "hyponoflag" (which will get my vote, incidentally).
by Atlanticatia » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:34 pm
Forsher wrote:-snip-
by Esceen » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:50 pm
by Nightkill the Emperor » Wed Sep 09, 2015 6:57 pm
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Forsher » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:58 am
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Are things so nice in NZ that the government have decided this is a pressing domestic policy issue?
by Victoriala » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:36 am
Esceen wrote:John Key is the second worse PM on the planet (second to the one and only corporate sellout Tony Abbott). Key's first flag suggestion was universally panned for looking like the ISIS flag and his second suggestion is universally panned for looking like trash.
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Fucking little island person. 陰 and 陽 but mostly 陰. I draw and do designs.
My NS activity is 90% shitposts. Singy and I fuck each other occasionally.
Equity is True Equality. Pro-Aufklärung, Anti-Gegenaufklärung. [economic: -4.0 social: -4.21]
by Nazis in Space » Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:44 am
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