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by Toubourlouki » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:59 pm
by New Ogunquit » Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:11 pm
Toubourlouki wrote:I like to think about Islam and its idea of an Afterlife that God has a special place up there in Heaven where He houses all those Muslims and their virgins. Have you ever thought of that possibility?
Ifreann wrote:Farn be locking threads like they were bridges.
Ifreann wrote:Political correctness needs to go further, because the tears of people crying over being called on their bullshit fuel my time machine.Quintium wrote:Just another symptom of self-hatred in Western Europe and North America. Don't worry, it'll all end in war. But for the moment, try not to be too white if you don't want to be discriminated against.
Yes, more tears...
by Salus Maior » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:23 pm
Toubourlouki wrote:I like to think about Islam and its idea of an Afterlife that God has a special place up there in Heaven where He houses all those Muslims and their virgins. Have you ever thought of that possibility?
by Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:41 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Cannot think of a name wrote: *Snip*
Where do I even begin...
While I am no longer a member of the "criticize Islam for being (allegedly) terrible" crowd, and thus I am not saying this to say that Christianity is "better" than Islam, I have to say that you've taken a lot of those verses out of context. First of all, a lot of it is from the Old Testament, which as I have said and provided evidence for earlier in this thread (and will again if you ask for it), does not apply as law in Christianity. So anything from Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Exodus, and pretty much any other Old Testament book can be tossed out.
I mean, this should be common sense really, a lot of this likely wasn't even practiced in Jesus's time, let alone in the Early Church. But, if you just want to smear Christianity without actually educating yourself I guess it's a good place to start.
As for the New Testament verses on slavery, you should realize (as should everyone else) that Christianity formed in the Roman Empire, in which slavery was a firmly entrenched institution (and was actually a lot better and relatively more humane than the race based slavery of the U.S), so obviously slavery had to be addressed in the Apostles' writings. It should be noted, especially by you considering you're posting said verses, that the slaves are not considered to be somehow lesser than a free man. In fact, allow me to show the COMPLETED versions of some of those verses you quoted.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don't threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and He has no favorites. Ephesians 6:9 New Living Translation.
It's nice to put things in context.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
It should be noted that this is a PARABLE said by Jesus. And does not necessarily apply to Slavery. Note that he referred to them as "servants" rather than "slaves".
Colossians 3:18 *
18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
19. Husbands, love your wives and never treat them harshly. Colossians 3:19.
I could do this for all your verses, but I suppose this is sufficient for my point.
by Gauthier » Sat Aug 29, 2015 5:00 pm
Cannot think of a name wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Where do I even begin...
While I am no longer a member of the "criticize Islam for being (allegedly) terrible" crowd, and thus I am not saying this to say that Christianity is "better" than Islam, I have to say that you've taken a lot of those verses out of context. First of all, a lot of it is from the Old Testament, which as I have said and provided evidence for earlier in this thread (and will again if you ask for it), does not apply as law in Christianity. So anything from Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Exodus, and pretty much any other Old Testament book can be tossed out.
I mean, this should be common sense really, a lot of this likely wasn't even practiced in Jesus's time, let alone in the Early Church. But, if you just want to smear Christianity without actually educating yourself I guess it's a good place to start.
As for the New Testament verses on slavery, you should realize (as should everyone else) that Christianity formed in the Roman Empire, in which slavery was a firmly entrenched institution (and was actually a lot better and relatively more humane than the race based slavery of the U.S), so obviously slavery had to be addressed in the Apostles' writings. It should be noted, especially by you considering you're posting said verses, that the slaves are not considered to be somehow lesser than a free man. In fact, allow me to show the COMPLETED versions of some of those verses you quoted.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don't threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and He has no favorites. Ephesians 6:9 New Living Translation.
It's nice to put things in context.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
It should be noted that this is a PARABLE said by Jesus. And does not necessarily apply to Slavery. Note that he referred to them as "servants" rather than "slaves".
Colossians 3:18 *
18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
19. Husbands, love your wives and never treat them harshly. Colossians 3:19.
I could do this for all your verses, but I suppose this is sufficient for my point.
Huh. So what you're saying is that taking quotes out of context in a large holy text written thousands of years ago shouldn't be a way to judge or dismiss a religion in the modern age.
Hmm. Interesting.
by The Jaclean Empire » Sat Aug 29, 2015 10:24 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Sat Aug 29, 2015 10:31 pm
The Jaclean empire wrote:Did the OP legit just come here to start shit, and then get deleted?
by Salus Maior » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:16 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:Huh. So what you're saying is that taking quotes out of context in a large holy text written thousands of years ago shouldn't be a way to judge or dismiss a religion in the modern age.
Hmm. Interesting.
Gauthier wrote:
It's okay to take brown people's holy books out of context. *nod*
Salus Maior wrote:
Where do I even begin...
While I am no longer a member of the "criticize Islam for being (allegedly) terrible" crowd, and thus I am not saying this to say that Christianity is "better" than Islam....
by Ereria » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:27 am
Where do I even begin...
While I am no longer a member of the "criticize Islam for being (allegedly) terrible" crowd, and thus I am not saying this to say that Christianity is "better" than Islam, I have to say that you've taken a lot of those verses out of context. First of all, a lot of it is from the Old Testament, which as I have said and provided evidence for earlier in this thread (and will again if you ask for it), does not apply as law in Christianity. So anything from Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Exodus, and pretty much any other Old Testament book can be tossed out.
I mean, this should be common sense really, a lot of this likely wasn't even practiced in Jesus's time, let alone in the Early Church. But, if you just want to smear Christianity without actually educating yourself I guess it's a good place to start.
As for the New Testament verses on slavery, you should realize (as should everyone else) that Christianity formed in the Roman Empire, in which slavery was a firmly entrenched institution (and was actually a lot better and relatively more humane than the race based slavery of the U.S), so obviously slavery had to be addressed in the Apostles' writings. It should be noted, especially by you considering you're posting said verses, that the slaves are not considered to be somehow lesser than a free man. In fact, allow me to show the COMPLETED versions of some of those verses you quoted.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don't threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and He has no favorites. Ephesians 6:9 New Living Translation.
It's nice to put things in context.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
It should be noted that this is a PARABLE said by Jesus. And does not necessarily apply to Slavery. Note that he referred to them as "servants" rather than "slaves".
Colossians 3:18 *
18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
19. Husbands, love your wives and never treat them harshly. Colossians 3:19.
I could do this for all your verses, but I suppose this is sufficient for my point.
by Salus Maior » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:32 am
Ereria wrote:
How do you think we muslims have it then?
by Ereria » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:47 am
Salus Maior wrote:Ereria wrote:
How do you think we muslims have it then?
I'm not sure why me defending my faith somehow equates to me saying Islam does not have it's troubles or is misinterpreted (particularly when, as a disclaimer, I said in the beginning of my post that I am NOT saying this as a criticism of Islam, but just as a defense of Christianity). Anyway, yes, I do realize how Muslims "have it".
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