Astounding Immorality of Islam: Allah's "Rewards" in Heaven

[Toubourlouki]

I like to think about Islam and its idea of an Afterlife that God has a special place up there in Heaven where He houses all those Muslims and their virgins. Have you ever thought of that possibility?

[New Ogunquit]

I like to think about Islam and its idea of an Afterlife that God has a special place up there in Heaven where He houses all those Muslims and their virgins. Have you ever thought of that possibility?

Kinda. I like Gimlé a little better though.

[Toubourlouki]

I like to think about Islam and its idea of an Afterlife that God has a special place up there in Heaven where He houses all those Muslims and their virgins. Have you ever thought of that possibility?

Kinda. I like Gimlé a little better though.

But would you get eternally laid in Gimlé?

[Salus Maior]

I like to think about Islam and its idea of an Afterlife that God has a special place up there in Heaven where He houses all those Muslims and their virgins. Have you ever thought of that possibility?

You might be disappointed then, considering it can also be read as "raisins", rather than virgins.

[Cannot think of a name]

*Snip*

Where do I even begin...

While I am no longer a member of the "criticize Islam for being (allegedly) terrible" crowd, and thus I am not saying this to say that Christianity is "better" than Islam, I have to say that you've taken a lot of those verses out of context. First of all, a lot of it is from the Old Testament, which as I have said and provided evidence for earlier in this thread (and will again if you ask for it), does not apply as law in Christianity. So anything from Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Exodus, and pretty much any other Old Testament book can be tossed out.
I mean, this should be common sense really, a lot of this likely wasn't even practiced in Jesus's time, let alone in the Early Church. But, if you just want to smear Christianity without actually educating yourself I guess it's a good place to start.

As for the New Testament verses on slavery, you should realize (as should everyone else) that Christianity formed in the Roman Empire, in which slavery was a firmly entrenched institution (and was actually a lot better and relatively more humane than the race based slavery of the U.S), so obviously slavery had to be addressed in the Apostles' writings. It should be noted, especially by you considering you're posting said verses, that the slaves are not considered to be somehow lesser than a free man. In fact, allow me to show the COMPLETED versions of some of those verses you quoted.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don't threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and He has no favorites. Ephesians 6:9 New Living Translation.

It's nice to put things in context.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

It should be noted that this is a PARABLE said by Jesus. And does not necessarily apply to Slavery. Note that he referred to them as "servants" rather than "slaves".

Colossians 3:18 *

18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

19. Husbands, love your wives and never treat them harshly. Colossians 3:19.


I could do this for all your verses, but I suppose this is sufficient for my point.

Huh. So what you're saying is that taking quotes out of context in a large holy text written thousands of years ago shouldn't be a way to judge or dismiss a religion in the modern age.

Hmm. Interesting.

[Gauthier]

Where do I even begin...

While I am no longer a member of the "criticize Islam for being (allegedly) terrible" crowd, and thus I am not saying this to say that Christianity is "better" than Islam, I have to say that you've taken a lot of those verses out of context. First of all, a lot of it is from the Old Testament, which as I have said and provided evidence for earlier in this thread (and will again if you ask for it), does not apply as law in Christianity. So anything from Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Exodus, and pretty much any other Old Testament book can be tossed out.
I mean, this should be common sense really, a lot of this likely wasn't even practiced in Jesus's time, let alone in the Early Church. But, if you just want to smear Christianity without actually educating yourself I guess it's a good place to start.

As for the New Testament verses on slavery, you should realize (as should everyone else) that Christianity formed in the Roman Empire, in which slavery was a firmly entrenched institution (and was actually a lot better and relatively more humane than the race based slavery of the U.S), so obviously slavery had to be addressed in the Apostles' writings. It should be noted, especially by you considering you're posting said verses, that the slaves are not considered to be somehow lesser than a free man. In fact, allow me to show the COMPLETED versions of some of those verses you quoted.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don't threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and He has no favorites. Ephesians 6:9 New Living Translation.

It's nice to put things in context.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

It should be noted that this is a PARABLE said by Jesus. And does not necessarily apply to Slavery. Note that he referred to them as "servants" rather than "slaves".

Colossians 3:18 *

18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

19. Husbands, love your wives and never treat them harshly. Colossians 3:19.


I could do this for all your verses, but I suppose this is sufficient for my point.

Huh. So what you're saying is that taking quotes out of context in a large holy text written thousands of years ago shouldn't be a way to judge or dismiss a religion in the modern age.

Hmm. Interesting.

It's okay to take brown people's holy books out of context. *nod*

[The Jaclean Empire]

Did the OP legit just come here to start shit, and then get deleted?

[Cannot think of a name]

Did the OP legit just come here to start shit, and then get deleted?

Welcome to summer.

[Salus Maior]

Huh. So what you're saying is that taking quotes out of context in a large holy text written thousands of years ago shouldn't be a way to judge or dismiss a religion in the modern age.

Hmm. Interesting.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. And, as I'm sure you read my post thoroughly, you know I believe the same about Islam. Or at least I do now.

It's okay to take brown people's holy books out of context. *nod*

Where do I even begin...

While I am no longer a member of the "criticize Islam for being (allegedly) terrible" crowd, and thus I am not saying this to say that Christianity is "better" than Islam....

[Ereria]

http://www.justislam.co.uk/product.php?products_id=216

This explains how the 72 virgins thing is such a bullshit thing. I was first confused when I first encountered a debate about muslims on NationStates someone talking about 72 virgins. I was like ''I was never told about that''. I talked with my imam and he said it was just nonsense.

What I know of, is that men get a perfect woman and women get a perfect man in paradise (maybe their soul mates from earth?) and live together. Both sexes are promised endless pleasure in Paradise.

Where do I even begin...

While I am no longer a member of the "criticize Islam for being (allegedly) terrible" crowd, and thus I am not saying this to say that Christianity is "better" than Islam, I have to say that you've taken a lot of those verses out of context. First of all, a lot of it is from the Old Testament, which as I have said and provided evidence for earlier in this thread (and will again if you ask for it), does not apply as law in Christianity. So anything from Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Exodus, and pretty much any other Old Testament book can be tossed out.
I mean, this should be common sense really, a lot of this likely wasn't even practiced in Jesus's time, let alone in the Early Church. But, if you just want to smear Christianity without actually educating yourself I guess it's a good place to start.

As for the New Testament verses on slavery, you should realize (as should everyone else) that Christianity formed in the Roman Empire, in which slavery was a firmly entrenched institution (and was actually a lot better and relatively more humane than the race based slavery of the U.S), so obviously slavery had to be addressed in the Apostles' writings. It should be noted, especially by you considering you're posting said verses, that the slaves are not considered to be somehow lesser than a free man. In fact, allow me to show the COMPLETED versions of some of those verses you quoted.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don't threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and He has no favorites. Ephesians 6:9 New Living Translation.

It's nice to put things in context.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

It should be noted that this is a PARABLE said by Jesus. And does not necessarily apply to Slavery. Note that he referred to them as "servants" rather than "slaves".

Colossians 3:18 *

18. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

19. Husbands, love your wives and never treat them harshly. Colossians 3:19.


I could do this for all your verses, but I suppose this is sufficient for my point.

How do you think we muslims have it then?

[Salus Maior]

How do you think we muslims have it then?

I'm not sure why me defending my faith somehow equates to me saying Islam does not have it's troubles or is misinterpreted (particularly when, as a disclaimer, I said in the beginning of my post that I am NOT saying this as a criticism of Islam, but just as a defense of Christianity). Anyway, yes, I do realize how Muslims "have it".

[Ereria]

How do you think we muslims have it then?

I'm not sure why me defending my faith somehow equates to me saying Islam does not have it's troubles or is misinterpreted (particularly when, as a disclaimer, I said in the beginning of my post that I am NOT saying this as a criticism of Islam, but just as a defense of Christianity). Anyway, yes, I do realize how Muslims "have it".

Wasn't really directed at you, was just saying I know how you feel.