How does ISIL reconcile their actions with their faith?

[Benian Republic]

Why doesn't the occupied people in their territories rebel I mean Isis/ISIL seems to be heavily weakened and over spread.

People do, there are large numbers of accounts of unknown armed gangs roaming around shooting Daesh terrorists, its usually only told in Syrian local reports, or journalists that have been lucky to survive an investigation there i guess. Any uprising is impossible because if they find one member against them they go into his village and kill all the men and boys.

http://www.syriahr.com/en/2015/03/after ... l-mayadin/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nment.html

https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsReports ... rity-chief

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nitor.html

The one that gets me the most is the father who had his son executed, and then took his Ak47 and shot up those terrorists before finally being killed himself.

I truly admire that man.

[Vitaphone Racing]

ISIL tries though misinterpretation, but no, there really is no way to somehow justify their actions .

Why doesn't the occupied people in their territories rebel I mean Isis/ISIL seems to be heavily weakened and over spread.

Omg lol

[Rhyfelnydd]

When they are going around immolating people, removing heads, and committing atrocities against all who oppose them, trying to directly earn their ire seems stupid in the extreme.

In even simpler terms, the populace is afraid.

I feel terrible for them but question why they don't atleast try, I mean an uprising of mass scale would be very tough on Isis.

Do you not understand what fear and the basic human instinct of self preservation is or something?

[Benian Republic]

I feel terrible for them but question why they don't atleast try, I mean an uprising of mass scale would be very tough on Isis.

Do you not understand what fear and the basic human instinct of self preservation is or something?

I understand it but I think people should think of the greater good before themselves.

[Jute]

Do you not understand what fear and the basic human instinct of self preservation is or something?

I understand it but I think people should think of the greater good before themselves.

Do you still do that if you have a gun pointed to you or to your family?

[Vitaphone Racing]

Do you not understand what fear and the basic human instinct of self preservation is or something?

I understand it but I think people should think of the greater good before themselves.

Sounds like you live in a first world country.

[Benian Republic]

I understand it but I think people should think of the greater good before themselves.

Do you still do that if you have a gun pointed to you or to your family?

I feel bad for my family but yes I must think of the most amount of people, it's not that threatening to me cause I don't really get scared of death.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Do you not understand what fear and the basic human instinct of self preservation is or something?

I understand it but I think people should think of the greater good before themselves.

Go tell that to the terrified millions who are just trying to live. Tell them they are being silly and selfish and should go get themselves killed for, really no reason.

[Benian Republic]

I understand it but I think people should think of the greater good before themselves.

Go tell that to the terrified millions who are just trying to live. Tell them they are being silly and selfish and should go get themselves killed for, really no reason.

I understand you don't care about nations but you should put that aside and think of the numbers.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Do you still do that if you have a gun pointed to you or to your family?

I feel bad for my family but yes I must think of the most amount of people, it's not that threatening to me cause I don't really get scared of death.

Clearly you have never actually faced it then. As only someone who hasn't been in a situation they may get killed in would say that.

[Benian Republic]

I feel bad for my family but yes I must think of the most amount of people, it's not that threatening to me cause I don't really get scared of death.

Clearly you have never actually faced it then. As only someone who hasn't been in a situation they may get killed in would say that.

No I just don't get scared because we all die eventually it's all a matter of time.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Clearly you have never actually faced it then. As only someone who hasn't been in a situation they may get killed in would say that.

No I just don't get scared because we all die eventually it's all a matter of time.

So what are you doing to stop ISIS?

[Rhyfelnydd]

Go tell that to the terrified millions who are just trying to live. Tell them they are being silly and selfish and should go get themselves killed for, really no reason.

I understand you don't care about nations but you should put that aside and think of the numbers.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Not rising in futile revolt is what keeps them alive. You on the other hand think they should just go die because they are being selfish by just wanting to try and survive. If anything you are the one that should think of numbers, numbers of people that would be killed in this revolt of yours, and in retribution killings. Then again, you support killing innocent civilians based solely on the fact they live somewhere so, who knows.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Clearly you have never actually faced it then. As only someone who hasn't been in a situation they may get killed in would say that.

No I just don't get scared because we all die eventually it's all a matter of time.

And you have never been in a deadly situation. That much is made very clear.

[Benian Republic]

I understand you don't care about nations but you should put that aside and think of the numbers.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Not rising in futile revolt is what keeps them alive. You on the other hand think they should just go die because they are being selfish by just wanting to try and survive. If anything you are the one that should think of numbers, numbers of people that would be killed in this revolt of yours, and in retribution killings. Then again, you support killing innocent civilians based solely on the fact they live somewhere so, who knows.

So it's pointless to fight for what's right just because you know you'll fail?

[Benian Republic]

No I just don't get scared because we all die eventually it's all a matter of time.

And you have never been in a deadly situation. That much is made very clear.

That's interesting my point still stands.

[Rhyfelnydd]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Not rising in futile revolt is what keeps them alive. You on the other hand think they should just go die because they are being selfish by just wanting to try and survive. If anything you are the one that should think of numbers, numbers of people that would be killed in this revolt of yours, and in retribution killings. Then again, you support killing innocent civilians based solely on the fact they live somewhere so, who knows.

So it's pointless to fight for what's right just because you know you'll fail?

No, it is utterly arrogant to tell people actually living in a deadly situation they are doing the wrong thing by just trying to live.

And you have never been in a deadly situation. That much is made very clear.

That's interesting my point still stands.

It really doesn't. One, you are speaking about something you have no personal experience of like you have actually experienced it. Pretty arrogant and insulting, really.

[Aelex]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? Not rising in futile revolt is what keeps them alive. You on the other hand think they should just go die because they are being selfish by just wanting to try and survive. If anything you are the one that should think of numbers, numbers of people that would be killed in this revolt of yours, and in retribution killings. Then again, you support killing innocent civilians based solely on the fact they live somewhere so, who knows.

So it's pointless to fight for what's right just because you know you'll fail?

... Yeah!?! What do you expected us to say? Yeah it's pointless to fight without hope of winning! I would even say that it's stupid to throw your life away like that!

[Camicon]

So it's pointless to fight for what's right just because you know you'll fail?

... Yeah!?! What do you expected us to say? Yeah it's pointless to fight without hope of winning! I would even say that it's stupid to throw your life away like that!

Struggling to accomplish something, even if the odds are stacked against you, is not always pointless. If that was the case then major civil rights milestones would never have come about, or at the least would have occurred much later. Even in war, fighting against all odds, despite a near certainty of failure and death, can set the stage for greater change that would not happen otherwise.

[Aelex]

Struggling to accomplish something, even if the odds are stacked against you, is not always pointless. If that was the case then major civil rights milestones would never have come about, or at the least would have occurred much later. Even in war, fighting against all odds, despite a near certainty of failure and death, can set the stage for greater change that would not happen otherwise.

Yeah but no. Fighting against all odds is a thing, suiciding yourself is another.

[Camicon]

Struggling to accomplish something, even if the odds are stacked against you, is not always pointless. If that was the case then major civil rights milestones would never have come about, or at the least would have occurred much later. Even in war, fighting against all odds, despite a near certainty of failure and death, can set the stage for greater change that would not happen otherwise.

Yeah but no. Fighting against all odds is a thing, suiciding yourself is another.

Suicide is a very specific act, which "fighting against all odds" is not. The first is done with the intention of killing oneself, the second with the intention of accomplishing a goal no matter what opposition or consequences may be faced.

[Aelex]

Suicide is a very specific act, which "fighting against all odds" is not. The first is done with the intention of killing oneself, the second with the intention of accomplishing a goal no matter what opposition or consequences may be faced.

Ok, let's give you simple exemples of two revolts, one being a suicide the other a real fight against all odds.
La Commune (de Paris) was a suicide. Now, that it was a very good ideologically talking suicide, I'm not denying it. But it was a suicide nonetheless.
La Révolution (of 1789) was a fight against all odds. See the difference between the two?

[Camicon]

Suicide is a very specific act, which "fighting against all odds" is not. The first is done with the intention of killing oneself, the second with the intention of accomplishing a goal no matter what opposition or consequences may be faced.

Ok, let's give you simple exemples of two revolts, one being a suicide the other a real fight against all odds.
La Commune (de Paris) was a suicide. Now, that it was a very good ideologically talking suicide, I'm not denying it. But it was a suicide nonetheless.
La Révolution (of 1789) was a fight against all odds. See the difference between the two?

Suicide is a very particular act: the purposeful taking of ones own life. Fighting in either of those revolts is not suicide, unless a person was using them as a method of suicide, like goading police officers into shooting you. This is a very simple matter of definitions, which you seem not to understand.