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[DRAFT] [Replacement] Protections for Non-Person Creatures

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[DRAFT] [Replacement] Protections for Non-Person Creatures

Postby Sobaira » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:06 pm

In a smaller side-room of the WA building, the lady ambassador from Sobaira began work on improving her skills with proposals for the WA. She started with her ideas on a replacement for a proposal that was the target of a repeal, thinking it would give her a suitable handicap to get the hang of writing resolutions. This said, she presented her most recent drafts, as there were now two of them that approached the topic in different ways:

Added another alternative option after thinking of the case where consumption isn't reasonable after a NPC dies as a result of an otherwise cruel act.

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Significant | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack sufficient means to protect themselves from said cruelty, and;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES a "Non-Person Creature" (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;

  2. DEFINES a "greater end" for the purposes of this resolution as a result of an action that does one of the following:
    1. Fulfils a long-standing, nationally recognized, cultural or traditional behaviour,
    2. Provides a material good for trade or consumption that has a reasonable attempt to be used as such,
    3. Does not significantly decrease the quality of life, or would significantly increase the quality of life of the NPC(s) to whom the act that this greater end applied,
    4. Secures the well-being of a person or NPC, or multiple thereof,
    5. Furthers science, grants knowledge, or promotes progress,
    6. Protects a person's, state's, or organization's livelihood, home, or belongings,
    7. Protects the environment from an invasive species,
    8. Permits a person to not have to perform an act that would put them in danger of serious harm in such a case where the NPC is reasonably trained, handled, and capable of performing it, or,
    9. Fulfils a function as permitted by international law;
  3. DEFINES a "cruel act" for the purposes of this resolution as either:
    1. An action that intentionally makes a NPC experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or intentionally decreases the health of a NPC, and isn't done towards a greater end,
    2. A lack of action that makes a NPC that is under one's responsibility, authority, or ownership experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or suffers a decrease in health in a way that isn't towards a greater end when one has reasonable means and ability to have performed that action;
  4. PROHIBITS AND FORBIDS performing a cruel act;

  5. ENCOURAGES member nations, who have through 2.a. exceptions granted, to evaluate alternate ways of performing the cultural act that would not negatively impact NPCs as it would in its current state;

  6. REQUIRES member nations, who have through 2.a. exceptions granted, to:
    1. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC survives, to make a reasonable effort to improve the well-being of the NPC back to before the act was performed,
    2. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC does not survive, to use as much of the NPC's body for consumption as reasonably possible or otherwise treat the remains in a respectful manner;
  7. ENCOURAGES member nations to take reasonable steps to prevent persons with a history of performing cruel acts from gaining or maintaining authority, responsibility, or ownership of NPCs while there is reasonable belief that said person will continue to perform cruel acts.

Added some more things for clarity.

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Mild | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack sufficient means to protect themselves from said cruelty, and;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES a "Non-Person Creature" (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;

  2. DEFINES "cruel negligence" for the purposes of this resolution as a lack of action that makes a NPC that is under one's responsibility, authority, or ownership experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or suffers a decrease in health when one has reasonable means, ability, and awareness to have performed that action if performing it would not endanger oneself;

  3. DEFINES a "cruel act" for the purposes of this resolution as committing cruel negligence or as an action that intentionally makes a NPC experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or intentionally decreases the health of a NPC performed primarily so that either:
    1. The NPC does experience such, or,
    2. One's personal satisfaction at the act when it is not also part of a long standing cultural tradition that has at least national recognition;
  4. PROHIBITS AND FORBIDS performing a cruel act;

  5. REQUIRES persons who during their ownership, authority, or responsibility over NPC(s) employ said NPC(s) in some occupation to provide the NPC(s) with training, handling, and support as is reasonably within their means to reduce dangers to said NPC(s);

  6. ENCOURAGES member nations to:
    1. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC survives, to make a reasonable effort to improve the well-being of the NPC back to before the act was performed, or,
    2. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC does not survive, to use as much of the NPC's body for consumption as reasonably possible or otherwise treat the remains in a respectful manner;
  7. ENCOURAGES member nations to take steps to prevent persons with a history of performing cruel acts from gaining or maintaining authority, responsibility, or ownership of NPCs while there is reasonable belief that said person will continue to perform cruel acts;

  8. ENCOURAGES member nations with long-standing nationally recognized cultural traditions which offer exception and make acts only otherwise cruel to evaluate alternate ways of performing the cultural act that would not negatively impact NPCs as it would in its current state.


To those who would pay her mind and give her time, she spoke, "Thank you, honourable ambassadors, for your time with going over with me this to be my first... if even not of in the case of pushing it, at least, proposal. I apologise for mistakes that may be of the grammar or spelling, this language is not my first. I am open to all input, suggestions, and criticisms. This, so to say, replacement proposal, has been drafted with being of improving on another resolution, and to be addressing issues brought up about it that opponents felt the honourable legislator unable or unwilling to address."

She then clarified, "While I am of writing this, I am not of wanting to push it forth while the aforementioned honourable legislator is still of working on their proposal, barring something in overwhelming support from those who would have been of opponents to their proposal. This is primarily for me to be practising the writing of proposals for this august body, not to be of usurping the efforts of another."

On a desk topped with cluttered documents to the side she kept notes on older drafts, as well as the older drafts themselves, for those who would wish to look over them.

Added the Encourages related to cultural things to this draft. Reworded some things for clarity.

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Mild | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack sufficient means to protect themselves from said cruelty, and;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES a "Non-Person Creature" (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;

  2. DEFINES "cruel negligence" for the purposes of this resolution as a lack of action that makes a NPC that is under one's responsibility, authority, or ownership experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or suffers a decrease in health when one has reasonable means, ability, and awareness to have performed that action;

  3. DEFINES a "cruel act" for the purposes of this resolution as committing cruel negligence or as an action that intentionally makes a NPC experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or intentionally decreases the health of a NPC performed primarily so that either:
    1. The NPC does experience such, or,
    2. One's personal satisfaction at the act when it is not also part of a long standing cultural tradition that has at least national recognition;
  4. PROHIBITS AND FORBIDS performing a cruel act;

  5. ENCOURAGES member nations to:
    1. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC survives, to make a reasonable effort to improve the well-being of the NPC back to before the act was performed, or,
    2. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC does not survive, to use as much of the NPC's body for consumption as reasonably possible or otherwise treat the remains in a respectful manner;
  6. ENCOURAGES member nations to take steps to prevent persons with a history of performing cruel acts from gaining or maintaining authority, responsibility, or ownership of NPCs while there is reasonable belief that said person will continue to perform cruel acts;

  7. ENCOURAGES member nations with long-standing nationally recognized cultural traditions which offer exception and make acts only otherwise cruel to evaluate alternate ways of performing the cultural act that would not negatively impact NPCs as it would in its current state.

Completely new secondary approach attempted, cutting straight to the chase... more or less. Banning gross negligence and animal torture. Also, decided to get rid of PRO-NPC.

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Mild | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack sufficient means to protect themselves from said cruelty, and;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES a "Non-Person Creature" (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;

  2. DEFINES "cruel negligence" for the purposes of this resolution as a lack of action that makes a NPC that is under one's responsibility, authority, or ownership experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or suffers a decrease in health when one has reasonable means, ability, and awareness to have performed that action;

  3. DEFINES a "cruel act" for the purposes of this resolution as an action that intentionally makes a NPC experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or intentionally decreases the health of a NPC performed primarily so; that the NPC does experience such OR for one's personal satisfaction at the act when it is not also part of a long standing cultural tradition that has at least national recognition; OR as committing cruel negligence;

  4. PROHIBITS AND FORBIDS performing a cruel act;

  5. ENCOURAGES member nations to:
    1. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC survives, to make a reasonable effort to improve the well-being of the NPC back to before the act was performed, or,
    2. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC does not survive, to use as much of the NPC's body for consumption as reasonably possible or otherwise treat the remains in a respectful manner;
  6. ENCOURAGES member nations to take steps to prevent persons with a history of performing cruel acts from gaining or maintaining authority, responsibility, or ownership of NPCs while there is reasonable belief that said person will continue to perform cruel acts.

A second approach is drafted, more lenient, essentially forces nations to define NPC abuse themselves, but then make their NPC abuse laws internationally public through PRO-NPC. A better approach? Maybe. Sobaira would much rather it not come to this, but it is... here.

UPON FURTHER INSPECTION, redrafting and a B2 is needed. It feels that this does too little. Which... is kind of the point, but this feels poorly written and unsatisfying. Even for practice in awkward not in favour stuff, may as well do it better and better.

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Mild | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

RECOGNIZING that many nations and their persons feel strongly and passionately about the suffering of these non-person creatures;

UNDERSTANDING that international legislation on this subject is difficult due to differing moralities, cultures, ethics, et cetera, and;

WANTING to cut bureaucratic red tape and put an end to the resolution/repeal cycle that follows this topic,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES a "Non-Person Creature" (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;

  2. DEFINES a "good cause" as an intent behind an action that the member state explicitly espouses as permitted with regards to being performed on a NPC, including functions permitted by international law.

  3. DEFINES a "cruel act" for the purposes of this resolution as either:
    1. An action that intentionally makes a NPC experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or intentionally decreases the health of a NPC, done without good cause,
    2. A lack of action that makes a NPC that is under one's responsibility, authority, or ownership experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or suffers a decrease in health in a way that is without good cause when one has reasonable means and ability to have performed that action;
  4. PROHIBITS AND FORBIDS performing a cruel act;

  5. ESTABLISHES the "Protections and Regulations Organization for NPCs" (PRO-NPC);

  6. TASKS PRO-NPC with the following duties:
    1. Create an up to date depository for laws of member nations directly related to NPCs, specifically on what the member nation constitutes as a 'good cause',
    2. Make publicly and easily available the laws so gathered, and,
    3. Establish systems and create tools to help persons with browsing the depository to find specific laws therein;
  7. REQUIRES members nations to be cooperative with sharing their relevant legislation with PRO-NPC;

  8. REQUIRES member nations to not block access to the information made available by PRO-NPC;

  9. ENCOURAGES member nations who define one or more good causes solely or primarily on cultural reasons to evaluate alternate ways of performing the cultural act that would not negatively impact NPCs as it would in its current state;

  10. ENCOURAGES member nations to:
    1. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC survives, to make a reasonable effort to improve the well-being of the NPC back to before the act was performed, or,
    2. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC does not survive, to use as much of the NPC's body for consumption as reasonably possible or otherwise treat the remains in a respectful manner;
  11. ENCOURAGES member nations to take steps to prevent persons with a history of performing cruel acts from gaining or maintaining authority, responsibility, or ownership of NPCs while there is reasonable belief that said person will continue to perform cruel acts.

Modified final 'ENCOURAGES' to also encourage stopping those who already have NPCs from keeping them. Also some grammar fixes.

Edit to some permissiveness to now permit confronting a NPC to protect the belongings of a state or organization where said protections were not present before.

Mostly just some formatting changes to make it read better. Also by splitting up conjoined clauses, future potential repeal attempts ( and general discussion ) will have an easier time addressing concerns as well.

Slight change in wording should make things less restrictive on butchering and similar; now if they fail to have a good used or traded they aren't breaking the resolution. They originally would have been. Oops.

Added another 'ENCOURAGES' section. May be too much to keep support if this becomes a proposal? May not be enough. Unsure if should be stronger or weaker means 'ENCOURAGES' is probably fine. Perhaps 'URGES' instead?

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Significant | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack sufficient means to protect themselves from said cruelty, and;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES a "Non-Person Creature" (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;

  2. DEFINES a "greater end" for the purposes of this resolution as a result of an action that does one of the following:
    1. Fulfils a long-standing, nationally recognized, cultural or traditional behaviour,
    2. Provides a material good for trade or consumption that has a reasonable attempt to be used as such,
    3. Does not significantly decrease the quality of life, or would significantly increase the quality of life of the NPC to whom the act that this greater end applied,
    4. Secures the well-being of a person or NPC,
    5. Furthers science, grants knowledge, or promotes progress,
    6. Protects a person's livelihood, home, or belongings,
    7. Protects the environment from an invasive species,
    8. Permits a person to not have to perform an act that would put them in danger of serious harm, and,
    9. Fulfils a function as permitted by international law;
  3. DEFINES a "cruel act" for the purposes of this resolution as either:
    1. An action that intentionally makes a NPC experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or intentionally decreases the health of a NPC, and isn't done towards a greater end,
    2. A lack of action that makes a NPC that is under one's responsibility, authority, or ownership experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or suffers a decrease in health in a way that isn't towards a greater end when one has reasonable means and ability to have performed that action.
  4. PROHIBITS AND FORBIDS performing a cruel act;

  5. ENCOURAGES member nations, who have through 2.a. exceptions granted, to evaluate alternate ways of performing the cultural act that would not negatively impact NPCs as it would in its current state;

  6. REQUIRES member nations, who have through 2.a. exceptions granted, to:
    1. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC survives, to make a reasonable effort to improve the well-being of the NPC back to before the act was performed,
    2. Enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act that the NPC does not survive, to use as much of the NPC's body for consumption as reasonably possible.
  7. ENCOURAGES member nations to take reasonable steps to prevent persons with a history of performing cruel acts from gaining authority, responsibility, or ownership of NPCs while there is reasonable belief that said person will continue to perform cruel acts.

Suggestion from the honourable ambassador of Caracasus included to make things such as veterinarian care more explicitly okay.

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Significant | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack sufficient means to protect themselves from said cruelty, and;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES "Non-Person Creature" (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;

  2. DEFINES a "greater end" for the purposes of this resolution as a result of an action that does one of the following:
    1. Fulfils a long-standing, nationally recognized, cultural or traditional behaviour,
    2. Provides a material good for trade or consumption that is used as such,
    3. Does not significantly decrease the quality of life, or would significantly increase the quality of life of the NPC to whom the act that this greater end applied,
    4. Secures the well-being of a person or NPC,
    5. Furthers science, grants knowledge, or promotes progress,
    6. Protects one's livelihood, home, or belongings,
    7. Protects the environment from an invasive species,
    8. Permits a person to not have to perform an act that would put them in danger of serious harm, and,
    9. Fulfils a function as permitted by international law;
  3. DEFINES a "cruel act" for the purposes of this resolution as an act that intentionally makes a NPC experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or intentionally decreases the health of a NPC, and isn't done towards a greater end, OR in such case where the NPC is under the responsibility, authority, or ownership of a person where due to inaction when action is under one's means and ability, the NPC under one's responsibility, authority, or ownership experiences excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or suffers a decrease in health in a way that isn't towards a greater end;

  4. PROHIBITS AND FORBIDS performing a cruel act;

  5. ENCOURAGES member nations who have through 2.a. exceptions granted to evaluate alternate ways of performing the cultural act that does not negatively impact NPCs as it would in its current state;

  6. REQUIRES member nations who have through 2.a. exceptions granted to, enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act, to make a reasonable effort to improve the well-being of the NPC back to before the act was performed. If the NPC was killed as part of the act, instead of improving its well-being the member nation IS REQUIRED to enforce the utilization of as much of the NPC's body for consumption as reasonably possible.

Threw back in older draft's inclusion of ENCOURAGES to shore it up a bit. Considering now reducing its strength, but haven't yet.

After some more thought, included a line about nursing NPCs back to health if they're harmed as part of an explicitly permitted, but culturally so, act

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Significant | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack sufficient means to protect themselves from said cruelty, and;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES "Non-Person Creature" (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;

  2. DEFINES a "greater end" for the purposes of this resolution as a result of an action that does one of the following:
    1. Fulfils a long-standing, nationally recognized, cultural or traditional behaviour,
    2. Provides a material good for trade or consumption that is used as such,
    3. Does not significantly decrease the quality of life of the NPC to whom the act that this greater end applied,
    4. Secures the well-being of a person or NPC,
    5. Furthers science, grants knowledge, or promotes progress,
    6. Protects one's livelihood, home, or belongings,
    7. Protects the environment from an invasive species,
    8. Permits a person to not have to perform an act that would put them in danger of serious harm, and,
    9. Fulfils a function as permitted by international law;
  3. DEFINES a "cruel act" for the purposes of this resolution as an act that intentionally makes a NPC experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or intentionally decreases the health of a NPC, and isn't done towards a greater end, OR in such case where the NPC is under the responsibility, authority, or ownership of a person where due to inaction when action is under one's means and ability, the NPC under one's responsibility, authority, or ownership experiences excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or suffers a decrease in health in a way that isn't towards a greater end;

  4. PROHIBITS AND FORBIDS performing a cruel act;

  5. ENCOURAGES member nations who have through 2.a. exceptions granted to evaluate alternate ways of performing the cultural act that does not negatively impact NPCs as it would in its current state;

  6. REQUIRES member nations who have through 2.a. exceptions granted to, enforce on persons whom when performing an otherwise cruel act, to make a reasonable effort to improve the well-being of the NPC back to before the act was performed. If the NPC was killed as part of the act, instead of improving its well-being the member nation IS REQUIRED to enforce the utilization of as much of the NPC's body for consumption as reasonably possible.

Added things on negligence for when the NPC is under the care and responsibility of a person. Still confident that this is no longer plagiarism. Another small edit due to accidentally submitting when more work was to be done.

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Significant | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack sufficient means to protect themselves from said cruelty, and;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES "Non-Person Creature" (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;

  2. DEFINES a "greater end" for the purposes of this resolution as a result of an action that does one of the following:
    1. Fulfils a long-standing, nationally recognized, cultural or traditional behaviour,
    2. Provides a material good for trade or consumption that is used as such,
    3. Does not significantly decrease the quality of life of the NPC to whom the act that this greater end applied,
    4. Secures the well-being of a person or NPC,
    5. Furthers science, grants knowledge, or promotes progress,
    6. Protects one's livelihood, home, or belongings,
    7. Protects the environment from an invasive species,
    8. Permits a person to not have to perform an act that would put them in danger of serious harm, and,
    9. Fulfils a function as permitted by international law;
  3. DEFINES a "cruel act" for the purposes of this resolution as an act that intentionally makes a NPC experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or intentionally decreases the health of a NPC, and isn't done towards a greater end, OR in such case where the NPC is under the responsibility, authority, or ownership of a person where due to inaction when action is under one's means and ability, the NPC under one's responsibility, authority, or ownership experiences excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or suffers a decrease in health in a way that isn't towards a greater end;

  4. PROHIBITS AND FORBIDS performing a cruel act.

Feeling comfortable that this isn't going to get dinged for plagiarism now. Rewritten, massively reduced word-count. Less explicit, still think it covers what the other drafts cover but with less faff. Still 'wall minus stuff' but rearranged and simplified. Feels more approached as ceiling set and then wall built, not wall built and knocked down some. Small edit; too small to really be a new draft. Some faff that was added was removed.

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Significant | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack sufficient means to protect themselves from said cruelty, and;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES "Non-Person Creature" (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;

  2. DEFINES a "greater end" for the purposes of this resolution as a result of an action that does one of the following:
    1. Fulfils a long-standing, nationally recognized, cultural or traditional behaviour,
    2. Provides a material good for trade or consumption that is used as such,
    3. Does not significantly decrease the quality of life of the NPC to whom the act that this greater end applied,
    4. Secures the well-being of a person or NPC,
    5. Furthers science, grants knowledge, or promotes progress,
    6. Protects one's livelihood, home, or belongings,
    7. Protects the environment from an invasive species,
    8. Permits a person to not have to perform an act that would put them in danger of serious harm, and,
    9. Fulfils a function as permitted by international law;
  3. DEFINES a "cruel act" for the purposes of this resolution as an act that intentionally makes a NPC experience excessive pain, stress, and/or fear; or intentionally decreases the health of a NPC, and isn't done towards a greater end;

  4. PROHIBITS AND FORBIDS performing a cruel act.

Harder to get pets in this draft, harder to get more NPCs in general. Another exception; namely for animal husbandry in case it wasn't explicit enough. Some word changes. Still too close to plagiarism?

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Significant | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack legal agency and rights to defend themselves from the aforementioned cruelty, and;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures usually lack the understanding to contextualize the reasons for their pain, stress, or fear which may intensify those negative stimuli;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES Non-Person Creature (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;
  2. PROHIBITS the intentional and malicious infliction of harm or abuse to NPCs, including but not limited to:
    1. causing physical trauma or severe pain,
    2. maiming or otherwise disfiguring its body or mind,
    3. torture over a short or prolonged period of time,
    4. sexual assault,
    5. directly causing death,
    6. placing into a situation wherein it will be at great risk of any of the above forms of harm, and,
    7. acts of cruelty as deemed appropriate by the respective nation but only within said nation and territories under the rule of said nation's government;
  3. FURTHER PROHIBITS cruelty towards an NPC that has through some form to be under a person's authority, whether it be as a pet, a stock animal, beast of burden, or otherwise. Cruelties here include but are not limited to:
    1. failing to give it edible food as necessary for it to maintain good health when one has the means to provide it,
    2. failing to give it potable water as necessary for it to maintain good health when one has the means to provide it,
    3. failing to give it the ability to exercise as necessary for it to maintain good health when one has the means to provide it,
    4. failing to give it a reasonably clean environment to live in when one has the means to provide such an environment,
    5. failing to give it a reasonably safe environment to live in when one has the means to provide such an environment,
    6. failing to give it access to reasonable medical care that is within one's means to provide it,
    7. acquiring authority over more NPCs when doing so would cause a real reduction in ones ability and access to the means to provide for any current NPCs under one's authority, and,
    8. again including all cruelties as indicated in 2;
  4. CLARIFIES that the following exceptions to acts that would otherwise be deemed prohibited for their cruelty to NPCs by this proposal are NOT PROHIBITED so long as the actions taken against the NPCs as otherwise exempted are not excessive for what is necessary and within the means of the persons performing the action:
    1. Veterinary medicine,
    2. Animal research,
    3. Animal husbandry as necessary to maintain a ranch, zoological garden, or similar,
    4. Hunting and fishing,
    5. Butchering or slaughtering for useful parts and food,
    6. Pest control,
    7. Protecting an environment from invasive NPCs,
    8. Self defence against an NPC,
    9. Utilization of properly trained and handled NPCs for potentially dangerous situations or occupations,
    10. Acts nationally recognized as holding significant cultural or traditional value within a nation that are endorsed by the respective nation's government, and,
    11. Acts internationally recognized as within the rights of a person to perform to an NPC;
  5. ENCOURAGES member nations who have nationally recognized traditional cultural practices that through 4.j. grant exception to 2. or 3. with regards to treatment of NPCs to evaluate possible alternatives to such practices, understanding they are under no onus to actually put these alternatives into action as per this resolution;
  6. REMINDS member nations that though exceptions exist in this resolution as per 4. that they are NOT RESTRICTED from bypassing certain exceptions and enforcing more strict rules for the protection of NPCs so long as these rules do not contradict international law.

Too close, possibly plagiarism? Permits poor or less developed countries to own pets? Includes provisions on self defence and on culture. Explicit about not preventing hunting and fishing.

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Significant | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack legal agency and rights to defend themselves from the aforementioned cruelty, and;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures usually lack the understanding to contextualize the reasons for their pain, stress, or fear which may intensify those negative stimuli;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES Non-Person Creature (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;
  2. PROHIBITS the intentional and malicious infliction of harm or abuse to NPCs, including but not limited to:
    1. causing physical trauma or severe pain,
    2. maiming or otherwise disfiguring its body or mind,
    3. torture over a short or prolonged period of time,
    4. sexual assault,
    5. directly causing death,
    6. placing into a situation wherein it will be at great risk of any of the above forms of harm, and,
    7. acts of cruelty as deemed appropriate by the respective nation but only within said nation;
  3. FURTHER PROHIBITS cruelty towards an NPC that has through some form to be under a person's authority, whether it be as a pet, a stock animal, beast of burden, or otherwise. Cruelties here include but are not limited to:
    1. failing to give it edible food as necessary for it to maintain good health when one has the means to grant it,
    2. failing to give it potable water as necessary for it to maintain good health when one has the means to grant it,
    3. failing to give it the ability to exercise as necessary for it to maintain good health when one has the means to grant it,
    4. failing to give it a reasonably clean environment to live in when one has the means to provide such an environment,
    5. failing to give it a reasonably safe environment to live in when one has the means to provide such an environment,
    6. failing to give it access to reasonable medical care that is within one's means to give it, and,
    7. again including all cruelties as indicated in 2;
  4. CLARIFIES that the following exceptions to acts that would otherwise be deemed prohibited for their cruelty to NPCs by this proposal are NOT PROHIBITED so long as the actions taken against the NPCs as otherwise exempted are not excessive for what is necessary and within the means of the persons performing the action:
    1. Veterinary medicine,
    2. Animal research,
    3. Hunting and fishing,
    4. Butchering or slaughtering for useful parts and food,
    5. Pest control,
    6. Protecting an environment from invasive NPCs,
    7. Self defence against an NPC,
    8. Utilization of properly trained and handled NPCs for potentially dangerous situations or occupations,
    9. Acts nationally recognized as holding significant cultural or traditional value within a nation that are endorsed by the respective nation's government, and,
    10. Acts internationally recognized as within the rights of a person to perform to an NPC;
  5. ENCOURAGES member nations who have nationally recognized traditional cultural practices that through 4.i. grant exception to 2. or 3. with regards to treatment of NPCs to evaluate possible alternatives to such practices, understanding they are under no onus to actually put these alternatives into action as per this resolution;
  6. REMINDS member nations that though exceptions exist in this resolution as per 4. that they are NOT RESTRICTED from bypassing certain exceptions and enforcing more strict rules for the protection of NPCs so long as these rules do not contradict international law.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:56 pm

Sobaira wrote:
In a smaller side-room of the WA building, the lady ambassador from Sobaira began work on improving her skills with proposals for the WA. She started with her ideas on a replacement for a proposal that was the target of a repeal, thinking it would give her a suitable handicap to get the hang of writing resolutions. This said, she presented her most recent ( and as of this submission, only ) draft:

Protections for Non-Person Creatures
Category: Moral Decency | Strength: Significant | Proposer: Sobaira


RECOGNIZING that persons are not the only creatures capable of feeling pain;

ABHORRING the cruelty of causing unnecessary and excessive pain, stress, or fear to any creature, person or not;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures lack legal agency and rights to defend themselves from the aforementioned cruelty, and;

UNDERSTANDING that non-person creatures usually lack the understanding to contextualize the reasons for their pain, stress, or fear which may intensify those negative stimuli;

WANTING to protect these non-person creatures from said cruelty,

the World Assembly hereby:

  1. DEFINES Non-Person Creature (NPC) for the purposes of this resolution as a living creature that lacks person-hood and the associated rights, but is otherwise capable of acting of its own volition and capable of feeling pain, stress, and/or fear;
  2. PROHIBITS the intentional and malicious infliction of harm or abuse to NPCs, including but not limited to:
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    2. maiming or otherwise disfiguring its body or mind,
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    5. directly causing death,
    6. placing into a situation wherein it will be at great risk of any of the above forms of harm, and,
    7. acts of cruelty as deemed appropriate by the respective nation but only within said nation;
  3. FURTHER PROHIBITS cruelty towards an NPC that has through some form to be under a person's authority, whether it be as a pet, a stock animal, beast of burden, or otherwise. Cruelties here include but are not limited to:
    1. failing to give it edible food as necessary for it to maintain good health when one has the means to grant it,
    2. failing to give it potable water as necessary for it to maintain good health when one has the means to grant it,
    3. failing to give it the ability to exercise as necessary for it to maintain good health when one has the means to grant it,
    4. failing to give it a reasonably clean environment to live in when one has the means to provide such an environment,
    5. failing to give it a reasonably safe environment to live in when one has the means to provide such an environment,
    6. failing to give it access to reasonable medical care that is within one's means to give it, and,
    7. again including all cruelties as indicated in 2;
  4. CLARIFIES that the following exceptions to acts that would otherwise be deemed prohibited for their cruelty to NPCs by this proposal are NOT PROHIBITED so long as the actions taken against the NPCs as otherwise exempted are not excessive for what is necessary and within the means of the persons performing the action:
    1. Veterinary medicine,
    2. Animal research,
    3. Hunting and fishing,
    4. Butchering or slaughtering for useful parts and food,
    5. Pest control,
    6. Protecting an environment from invasive NPCs,
    7. Self defence against an NPC,
    8. Utilization of properly trained and handled NPCs for potentially dangerous situations or occupations,
    9. Acts nationally recognized as holding significant cultural or traditional value within a nation that are endorsed by the respective nation's government, and,
    10. Acts internationally recognized as within the rights of a person to perform to an NPC;
  5. ENCOURAGES member nations who have nationally recognized traditional cultural practices that through 4.i. grant exception to 2. or 3. with regards to treatment of NPCs to evaluate possible alternatives to such practices, understanding they are under no onus to actually put these alternatives into action as per this resolution;
  6. REMINDS member nations that though exceptions exist in this resolution as per 4. that they are NOT RESTRICTED from bypassing certain exceptions and enforcing more strict rules for the protection of NPCs so long as these rules do not contradict international law.


To those who would pay her mind and give her time, she spoke, "Thank you, honourable ambassadors, for your time with going over with me this to be my first... if even not of in the case of pushing it, at least, proposal. I apologise for mistakes that may be of the grammar or spelling, this language is not my first. I am open to all input, suggestions, and criticisms. This, so to say, replacement proposal, has been drafted with being of improving on another resolution, and to be addressing issues brought up about it that opponents felt the honourable legislator unable or unwilling to address."

She then clarified, "While I am of writing this, I am not of wanting to push it forth while the aforementioned honourable legislator is still of working on their proposal, barring something in overwhelming support from those who would have been of opponents to their proposal. This is primarily for me to be practising the writing of proposals for this august body, not to be of usurping the efforts of another."

Don't get dinged for what Trudeau just got dinged for: plagiarism. Basically — do not base your resolution on what has come before it.

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Postby Sobaira » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:15 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Don't get dinged for what Trudeau just got dinged for: plagiarism. Basically — do not base your resolution on what has come before it.


"Honourable ambassador, I was of hoping that the level of changes would perhaps be in this enough to avoid the worry of plagiarism. If this is of too close to that proposal, then I would be having question; how different does a proposal need to be to be of covering the same idea as another in as of fanciful replacement? I am not quite sure of this, it feels as though there are only so many ways to, er... so to say, skin a cat, yes?" she made a small grin at her choice of idiom, to bring in some levity even if she didn't quite get the idiom right.

Despite this, she continued to work on the draft; it would be updated soon.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:22 pm

Just a personal nitpick with it though: I never much liked proposals which in one section set up some nice goody-two-shoes stuff and in the next section clarified that it did not apply to: [a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, and z]. You may as well build a wall, keep knocking holes in it until it is no longer a wall, but due to the first section, still call it one.

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:Just a personal nitpick with it though: I never much liked proposals which in one section set up some nice goody-two-shoes stuff and in the next section clarified that it did not apply to: [a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, and z]. You may as well build a wall, keep knocking holes in it until it is no longer a wall, but due to the first section, still call it one.

She nodded slowly, "Honourable ambassador, while I can be of understanding the 'nitpick', it is of feeling that the context of an action are important for the legality of it. It is of feeling as of, so to say, a necessary evil, to include of such things with legislation such as these. An inherent problem with... 'Moral Decency' in particular, I am thinking, too is that of wanting to establish a base wall. I am agreeing, that it will not be as of large wall without exceptions, but maybe is best to not have wall that large."

She paused for a moment, and thought of what she had just said, lightly drumming her fingers on a desk, "Maybe there is way to make right size wall without having to be of building it large and tearing it down to good size. I will be of looking into how to be doing that. Thank you very much, honourable ambassador, for your input and your time. I am of great appreciation for it."

And with that, she began to attempt to work a way out to address the issue with less clutter. There had to be a way, right?
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Postby Losthaven » Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:40 am

You have my permission to use as much or as little of the language from my draft as you please. Though it's clear you've already substantially rewritten it at this point.
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The present draft is decidedly less protective of animals than the version I proposed, if for no other reason than it allows animal bloodsports and other "cultural" practices of animal cruelty and violence. My delegation would have a hard time supporting that.

I feel that in light of the present text here (fourth draft) - which essentially prohibits causing pain, stress, or fear except where doing so confers some benefit - this may be only a "mild" proposal.
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Losthaven wrote:You have my permission to use as much or as little of the language from my draft as you please. Though it's clear you've already substantially rewritten it at this point.


Losthaven wrote:The present draft is decidedly less protective of animals than the version I proposed, if for no other reason than it allows animal bloodsports and other "cultural" practices of animal cruelty and violence. My delegation would have a hard time supporting that.

I feel that in light of the present text here (fourth draft) - which essentially prohibits causing pain, stress, or fear except where doing so confers some benefit - this may be only a "mild" proposal.


"Honourable legislator, your time and cooperation with my practices being here are of great appreciation," she made a formal gesture from Sobaira, not entirely dissimilar to a bow, as a sign of respect. "You are not of being wrong with your conclusion, it is weaker than your proposal, a regrettable state if it were to be put up as proper of proposals. I am hoping that it does not come to that; a fixed version of your proposal is desirable by myself and my nation over this. But, in the unlikely feeling but possible case where there is of problem getting your new proposal through... this is of being better than nothing."

"Strength violation, however, hrm..." she pondered and looked at the draft. She felt it stronger than her older drafts if only for the explicit part of 'long-standing' cultural practices, making it still ban the creation of new cruel cultural practices as a means to get around... but that did still permit a variety of old cruelties. Perhaps she could include the 'ENCOURAGES' part from some of the first drafts? She drummed her fingers upon the desk, "I will be of seeing what I can do about that. Thank you again, honourable legislator, and best of the hopes that your stronger resolution becomes law."
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Postby United West Afrika » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:51 pm

Upon review of this redone legislation, I must say I am impressed. This more closely adheres to the values of West Afrika and respects our people's understanding of their relationship with the animal kingdom. Furthermore, it openly acknowledges the importance of our spiritual traditions.

Should this come to a vote, you can count on our support.
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Postby Aistaan » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:54 pm

A well written proposal. Bt I don't exactly know what an NPC is. Can someone explain beyond the context of this resolution?

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Postby Sobaira » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:59 pm

United West Afrika wrote:Upon review of this redone legislation, I must say I am impressed. This more closely adheres to the values of West Afrika and respects our people's understanding of their relationship with the animal kingdom. Furthermore, it openly acknowledges the importance of our spiritual traditions.

Should this come to a vote, you can count on our support.


A smile came to her face at these words, "Most honourable ambassador, your approval, promise of support, and general kindness are all greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for your words, and for the time you have been taking of reading over my efforts."
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Postby Caracasus » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:57 pm

We feel this is a fine draft that manages to work with the previous legislation's aims and apply them to the reality of the diverse and different nations within the WA.

We only have one (minor) issue, with this piece here:

Does not significantly decrease the quality of life of the NPC to whom the act that this greater end applied,


Perhaps the good ambassador should change this to:

Does not significantly decrease the quality of life,or would significantly increase the quality of life of the NPC to whom the act that this greater end applied,


We feel this would more explicitly cover invasive acts of veterinary treatment. Taking your pet cat to the vets could be considered a cruel act, but afterwards, the cat would have a significantly better quality of life.
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Caracasus wrote:We feel this is a fine draft that manages to work with the previous legislation's aims and apply them to the reality of the diverse and different nations within the WA.

We only have one (minor) issue, with this piece here:

Does not significantly decrease the quality of life of the NPC to whom the act that this greater end applied,


Perhaps the good ambassador should change this to:

Does not significantly decrease the quality of life,or would significantly increase the quality of life of the NPC to whom the act that this greater end applied,


We feel this would more explicitly cover invasive acts of veterinary treatment. Taking your pet cat to the vets could be considered a cruel act, but afterwards, the cat would have a significantly better quality of life.


The ambassador from Sobaira looked at the suggestion, before nodding in agreement, "Honourable ambassador, your suggestion is very good, and I will be of updating the draft to include the change. Thank you very much for your time and input, honourable ambassador!"
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Postby Losthaven » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:07 am

I would point out that allowing animal cruelty for "religious" reasons was one of the things that got the original animal abuse resolution repealed. viewtopic.php?p=9214497#p9214497
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Losthaven wrote:I would point out that allowing animal cruelty for "religious" reasons was one of the things that got the original animal abuse resolution repealed. viewtopic.php?p=9214497#p9214497


The ambassador from Sobaira spoke up, "Honourable ambassador, I am of understanding this. Do not be forgetting that this draft is only of existing to be used in the case that in such a time of repeal of your recently passed legislation you are unable to get the one that you admitted more desirable to pass and remaining within WA law, if even of then. The drafting process here is not to be of used for pushing forward a proposal otherwise; is only of cases where for other reasons stronger proposals can or do not be remaining in the books that this, a weaker one, can be put into place."

"Further, I am of liking to point out the distinct, so to say, gap in permissiveness based upon religious reasons between the resolution in question and the draft I have been of making. The old resolution gave permissiveness to any religious excuse, while there are of restrictions in the permissiveness in this draft, namely requiring the tradition to be actually a tradition instead of something new and made up, and state recognition of it. Furthermore it is of requiring that in such cases of exception that action be done to mitigate the cruelty; mending the animal or not wasting its body. Such an inclusion is not within of the old resolution. And even if is of mildest of extra inclusion, it does also to be including the encouraging part for hoping that they are to be making changes and not be so cruel to animals."

"I am of understanding that such a gap may be of too small for your people's desires, but I am remaining presently resolute that if the choice were to be between this and nothing, then this would be better. But do not to be forgetting, Sobaira and her people, myself included, would prefer that your corrected draft with the explicit self defence and such to having be into inclusion over even this. Please do not be into thinking I am of competing with your resolutions, honourable legislator, for I am not. I am merely of providing another wall in case of yours is of successful repeals. Thank you for your time, honourable legislator."
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Looking incredibly frazzled, the ambassador of Sobaira returned to the room, before clearing up the desk a bit. "Dearest me..." She took several long moments to recompose herself before speaking again, "Honourable legislators, ambassadors, and delegates. In light of recent legislation, an additional caveat is to be of found for the 'earliest' this could be possibly be pushed forward. I am of waiting until not only of such a case wherein redraftings of currently under repeal legislation have been unable to succeed, but also for the repeal of the just passed resolution." Her teeth clenched in irritation at even speaking of the resolution, let alone in describing it.

"However, as we are of being at the repeals of the original resolution in question for the protecting of animals, not that such resolution was the original for this assembly, but you are of understanding what I mean," she rubbed her brow, "I have been of decision to informing you of updates to the draft. Such updates have already been put forward, but I have not made so officially clear. If you are of comments, concerns, or criticisms, I am much obliged to be of listening to them and taking into the considerations what you have to say. As always to be remembering, this is most of practice, and I am of making no promises that I will even turn any draft from here into a proposal. Thank you very much for your time, honourable legislators, ambassadors, and delegates."
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Bananaistan is completely opposed. This is not an international issue. You and the rest of the animal rights crowd have yet to explain how someone mistreating animals in Ballygobackwards has any effect on me or any Bananamen citizen.
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Bananaistan wrote:Bananaistan is completely opposed. This is not an international issue. You and the rest of the animal rights crowd have yet to explain how someone mistreating animals in Ballygobackwards has any effect on me or any Bananamen citizen.


The ambassador from Sobaira spoke up, "Honourable ambassador, I am of understanding your position on the issue. I am not of any delusion to say that I would be of having an argument beyond one based primarily upon either emotions, ethics, or morals for why this would be of international note. There are small arguments that could be of made for minute parts within the larger proposal that you may have been finding possibly satisfactory, maybe, but I am not of believing that you would. Because of this, I am of feeling certain that you would be of staying in this position, opposed and not of thinking this international."

"However, I am of having another argument that could be made, that you are likely to be finding insufficient for support and I would not to be putting you in any negative light for doing so. There are many ambassadors who have already been showing that they are of thinking that there should be a resolution in law that gives some degree of protection to animals. While such a body is in existing within the assembly, attempts to pass resolutions, of varying qualities, will be continuing and likely to be succeeding. So I am of offering my resolution, if it were to ever go into proposal, in a different light; a blocker."

"If you are of comparing it to other passed and proposed resolutions on the issue, I am believing you would be of finding it minimally invasive. It could be of satisfying most of the, how you say, 'animal rights crowd', saving up legislative time for other issues as no more would be for this," she said with a bit of a defeated shrug. "Now, I am of assuming you are thinking that maybe this is a poor argument, and you are perhaps right. While this would be of compromise, the more adamant activists and sovereigntists would both be of frustrated with this draft if it were to become law. That, and of the thought that maybe they will be giving up, or you are willing to keep up the fight against it even if they are not of said. I am not of besmirching you for either stance, or otherwise. You are doing what you are of believing best, there is no fault in that."

"I am not of believing that this is something that will be finding good consensus, I will be doing retention of my beliefs, and you of yours. Very little will be of changing, and is of still very likely that this will never be proposed. But, I was just thinking I would be offering that notion to you, even if you reject it as would be of your right to do so," she offered a smile and bowed, "Thank you for your time, honourable ambassador. I apologise very much for taking up so long of it."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:00 am

Losthaven wrote:I would point out that allowing animal cruelty for "religious" reasons was one of the things that got the original animal abuse resolution repealed. viewtopic.php?p=9214497#p9214497

OOC: The old ritual murder argument! Brings back memories. 'The definition of domestic animals can also be applied to humans, thus legalizing the sacrifice of human beings and other sapient creatures;'

Sobaira wrote:"So I am of offering my resolution, if it were to ever go into proposal, in a different light; a blocker."

OOC: Then write it as a true blocker.

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Postby Sobaira » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:04 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC: Then write it as a true blocker.


OOC: Wouldn't even begin to know how to do that while remaining in character for Sobaira!
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Postby Sobaira » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:43 pm

Sobaira wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC: Then write it as a true blocker.


OOC: Wouldn't even begin to know how to do that while remaining in character for Sobaira!


OOC: Managed it about as good as I could for now, I think. Was harder to work up B1 than any A# draft.
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Postby Sobaira » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:18 am

OOC: Seeing the big primary losthavenian draft get pushed to the front reminded me of this. I had honestly forgot about it in the light of all the WSA stuff. Threw in a couple of redrafts, but again reminding that this is sitting things out still. Yay continued practice!
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