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what is wrong with issus 221

Postby Fauzjhia » Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:55 am

I just the pick the 3rd choice of issus 221, : Outdated Tax Code Crushing @@NAME@@?

Now, my Economy is gone,
Seriously, what is wrong with that issus, it seem to mess yup all nations who answer it.

Economy just went down from 90 to 0, and i did everything I could to build it,

what can I pick without screwing up my nation on this damned issus. should I dismiss it ?

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Postby Undivulged Principles » Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:27 am

I just the pick the 3rd choice of issus 221, : Outdated Tax Code Crushing @@NAME@@?

Economy just went down from 90 to 0, and i did everything I could to build it


You sort of answered your own question. Using the government to build the economy means corporate welfare. Eliminating that will undermine the foundation of your economy.

Just build it back up, meaning the economy. Shouldn't be too hard especially now that you learned a valuable lesson.

If you wanted to keep the status quo of your nation for that issue then your best bet, as in most cases if that is your short term goal, is to dismiss it.
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Postby Marnady » Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:18 am

Undivulged Principles wrote:I just the pick the 3rd choice of issus 221, : Outdated Tax Code Crushing @@NAME@@?

Economy just went down from 90 to 0, and i did everything I could to build it


You sort of answered your own question. Using the government to build the economy means corporate welfare. Eliminating that will undermine the foundation of your economy.

Just build it back up, meaning the economy. Shouldn't be too hard especially now that you learned a valuable lesson.

If you wanted to keep the status quo of your nation for that issue then your best bet, as in most cases if that is your short term goal, is to dismiss it.


SO, If I pcik the same choice, on that issus, I will be able to finally become the psychotic dictatorship I want to be

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Postby Kesshite » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:37 pm

I have to wonder if that's working as intended.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:29 am

I may not be able to fix any country's economy at gameplay level, but I have put a advance warning in my wiki since yesterday (see https://nsindex.net/wiki/Issues or https://nsindex.net/wiki/NationStates_Issue_No._221), since more people are looking to my wiki for solved issues (according to Google Webmaster Tools).

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Postby Jute » Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:54 pm

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I may not be able to fix any country's economy at gameplay level, but I have put a advance warning in my wiki since yesterday (see https://nsindex.net/wiki/Issues or https://nsindex.net/wiki/NationStates_Issue_No._221), since more people are looking to my wiki for solved issues (according to Google Webmaster Tools).

You should add that this will not be the case for countries who did not rely on business subsidies to create a strong economy, such as free market capitalist nations.
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Postby Evilcia » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:13 pm

Jute wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I may not be able to fix any country's economy at gameplay level, but I have put a advance warning in my wiki since yesterday (see https://nsindex.net/wiki/Issues or https://nsindex.net/wiki/NationStates_Issue_No._221), since more people are looking to my wiki for solved issues (according to Google Webmaster Tools).

You should add that this will not be the case for countries who did not rely on business subsidies to create a strong economy, such as free market capitalist nations.


Well, now I know what will happen If I accept any of those issus, it will destroy my nation as I build it.

this issues need to be fixed a bit.

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Postby Phydios » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:44 pm

Evilcia wrote:
Jute wrote:You should add that this will not be the case for countries who did not rely on business subsidies to create a strong economy, such as free market capitalist nations.


Well, now I know what will happen If I accept any of those issus, it will destroy my nation as I build it.

this issues need to be fixed a bit.

No, they don't. In real life, not every decision made is a good one. Some are very bad. NS doesn't try to be extremely accurate, but it does try to be somewhat realistic. Therefore, you can make terrible decisions. If your economy is only booming because the businesses are running off of government money (even if they're privately owned and operated), then ending those subsidies will yank the bottom out of it. You need to build the economy in a different way if you want to cut government spending without trashing it.
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Postby Undivulged Principles » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:43 am

Or you can cut government spending by not cutting business subsidies. However, that will certainly affect other national priorities, like welfare, healthcare, education or the environment.
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Postby Jute » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:34 am

Undivulged Principles wrote:Or you can cut government spending by not cutting business subsidies. However, that will certainly affect other national priorities, like welfare, healthcare, education or the environment.

There are other things you could cut, or you could just cut across the board and therefore not hopefully affecting nothing too much
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Postby Marnady » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:43 pm

who said I want to cut something, what about, digital taxe code or something.

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Postby GabrielB09 » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:46 am

Phydios wrote:
Evilcia wrote:
Well, now I know what will happen If I accept any of those issus, it will destroy my nation as I build it.

this issues need to be fixed a bit.

No, they don't. In real life, not every decision made is a good one. Some are very bad. NS doesn't try to be extremely accurate, but it does try to be somewhat realistic. Therefore, you can make terrible decisions. If your economy is only booming because the businesses are running off of government money (even if they're privately owned and operated), then ending those subsidies will yank the bottom out of it. You need to build the economy in a different way if you want to cut government spending without trashing it.


But also in real life you get monumental laws that can be passed and have extremely positive impact, there are no issue to my knowledge in nation states that result in climb of 100 points yet there is one which results in a drop of such, its not balanced or realistic. Furthermore if such decisions were made in real life that cause a crisis laws can be implemented following that decision to repair the issue, in NationStates you have to sit around for months getting 2 random issues at a time hoping that you get enough to fix the problem you created whereas in the real world you can address serious issues immediately.

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Postby Golgothastan » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:51 am

So write one? There have been "economic miracles", and one could make for an entertaining issue, potentially.

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Postby Communist Victoria » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:50 pm

Fauzjhia wrote:I just the pick the 3rd choice of issus 221, : Outdated Tax Code Crushing @@NAME@@?

Now, my Economy is gone,
Seriously, what is wrong with that issus, it seem to mess yup all nations who answer it.

Economy just went down from 90 to 0, and i did everything I could to build it,

what can I pick without screwing up my nation on this damned issus. should I dismiss it ?


Yeah, my economy imploded too, surely a left leaning state will have less corporate welfare, but it still imploded
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Postby Undivulged Principles » Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:41 am

GabrielB09 wrote:
Phydios wrote:No, they don't. In real life, not every decision made is a good one. Some are very bad. NS doesn't try to be extremely accurate, but it does try to be somewhat realistic. Therefore, you can make terrible decisions. If your economy is only booming because the businesses are running off of government money (even if they're privately owned and operated), then ending those subsidies will yank the bottom out of it. You need to build the economy in a different way if you want to cut government spending without trashing it.


But also in real life you get monumental laws that can be passed and have extremely positive impact, there are no issue to my knowledge in nation states that result in climb of 100 points yet there is one which results in a drop of such, its not balanced or realistic. Furthermore if such decisions were made in real life that cause a crisis laws can be implemented following that decision to repair the issue, in NationStates you have to sit around for months getting 2 random issues at a time hoping that you get enough to fix the problem you created whereas in the real world you can address serious issues immediately.


Where are these instant fixes in the real world?

You can interpret the delay between receiving an issue that would directly influence a recent consequence of a previous issue answer to preliminary debate about the new issue in question. You might receive an issue with several set in stone choices, it may have taken months of debate in order to reach that point (ie. the delay). That's quite realistic.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Fri May 01, 2015 7:46 pm

GabrielB09 wrote:
Phydios wrote:No, they don't. In real life, not every decision made is a good one. Some are very bad. NS doesn't try to be extremely accurate, but it does try to be somewhat realistic. Therefore, you can make terrible decisions. If your economy is only booming because the businesses are running off of government money (even if they're privately owned and operated), then ending those subsidies will yank the bottom out of it. You need to build the economy in a different way if you want to cut government spending without trashing it.


But also in real life you get monumental laws that can be passed and have extremely positive impact, there are no issue to my knowledge in nation states that result in climb of 100 points yet there is one which results in a drop of such, its not balanced or realistic. Furthermore if such decisions were made in real life that cause a crisis laws can be implemented following that decision to repair the issue, in NationStates you have to sit around for months getting 2 random issues at a time hoping that you get enough to fix the problem you created whereas in the real world you can address serious issues immediately.


To my knowledge, no single government law has ever turned a nonexistent economy into a world leader. The other way around is certainly possible, however.
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Postby Shaktirajya » Fri May 08, 2015 6:44 pm

My economy went from 80 to 0. This issue is completely and entirely ludicrous. No other issue so radically #@$%^ up everything. Apparently more than one choice in the issue has this effect as well. I say scrap this, or alter it.
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Postby Eaischpnaeieacgkque Bhcieaghpodsttditf » Fri May 08, 2015 7:15 pm

I hate to be the one to say this, but issue 221 has to be the absolute stupidest issue I've seen. I mean seriously. No matter what option you take, your economy practically goes to 0 unless you're already there. I always, except once I think, dismiss this issue when I get it for its unrealistic results. It should be more realistic in economic factor.

I support insanely high tax rates, do you?
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Fri May 08, 2015 7:17 pm

Eaischpnaeieacgkque Bhcieaghpodsttditf wrote:I hate to be the one to say this, but issue 221 has to be the absolute stupidest issue I've seen. I mean seriously. No matter what option you take, your economy practically goes to 0 unless you're already there. I always, except once I think, dismiss this issue when I get it for its unrealistic results. It should be more realistic in economic factor.

Are the editors actually allowed to toss already-accepted issues out the window?


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Postby Golgothastan » Sat May 09, 2015 1:29 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Eaischpnaeieacgkque Bhcieaghpodsttditf wrote:I hate to be the one to say this, but issue 221 has to be the absolute stupidest issue I've seen. I mean seriously. No matter what option you take, your economy practically goes to 0 unless you're already there. I always, except once I think, dismiss this issue when I get it for its unrealistic results. It should be more realistic in economic factor.

Are the editors actually allowed to toss already-accepted issues out the window?

Issues are subject to ongoing review, and we have extra tools to further help us judge whether issues are working as intended. I don't know whether there are immediate plans to review issue #221, but not liking its effects - which it telegraphs quite reasonably - is not really a strong argument for doing so.

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Postby Dremovia » Sat May 09, 2015 1:44 am

I dismiss a lot because they are "BIAS!" no matter what you do :lol: the worst thing to do is to make sense of it ;)
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Postby Jute » Sat May 09, 2015 5:56 am

Golgothastan wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Are the editors actually allowed to toss already-accepted issues out the window?

Issues are subject to ongoing review, and we have extra tools to further help us judge whether issues are working as intended. I don't know whether there are immediate plans to review issue #221, but not liking its effects - which it telegraphs quite reasonably - is not really a strong argument for doing so.

If you choose the option to keep the business subsidies, wouldn't the economy not crash to 0?
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Postby Trotterdam » Sat May 09, 2015 9:35 am

Jute wrote:
Golgothastan wrote:If you choose the option to keep the business subsidies, wouldn't the economy not crash to 0?
Probably not, though I guess it'd wreak havoc on your crime rates.

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Postby Jute » Sat May 09, 2015 9:39 am

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Jute wrote:
Probably not, though I guess it'd wreak havoc on your crime rates.

True, I saw that when someone chose the first option and when I accidentally scrapped all education funding instead of revitalizing public education... stupid missed click.
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Postby Paragus » Thu May 14, 2015 2:21 am

Without reading it entirely, chose the option to abolish the tax code entirely... and it didn't touch my economy at all (But since it's built almost entirely on Harry Potter books, that's not a surprise).

It did, however, destroy my country's government and public infrastructure overnight. Gone was my World Class Healthcare and Education system, and now my once totally crime-free nation is now ranked in the top 1% in the world for youth 'rebelliousness' and top 5% in the world for lowest overall tax burden, so I got that going for me at least...

I've played enough SimCity to know that messing with taxes is bad. Should have remembered that.
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