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Postby Valloria » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:44 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Valloria wrote:This is not a good idea because a) it would unfairly favor GCRs as their delegates have the most endorsements and b) because this is a terrible idea. The current system works just fine as-is.

10KI, Europeia, and TCB are all UCRs with massive amounts of endorsements for the delegates.

Fair point. And yet while there are very few GCRs, the amount of delegates in this "Council" would be unfairly disproportional towards GCRs.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:50 am

The big delegates already have enough power as is. Chances that we're going even more lopsided with that, are slim.
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Postby Greater Nevadian Empire » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:57 am

If we did have a chancellor, we could have yearly elections when WA Delegates run for Chancellor. If a WA Delegate is dethroned while chancellor, the new delegate would take his/her place.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Fri Mar 27, 2015 8:58 am

Greater Nevadian Empire wrote:If we did have a chancellor, we could have yearly elections when WA Delegates run for Chancellor. If a WA Delegate is dethroned while chancellor, the new delegate would take his/her place.

How exactly would they be "dethroned"?
In response to the earlier points that this would give even more power to the big delegates, I think it could be good to recognize these peoples' contributions in running the big regions.
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Postby Greater Nevadian Empire » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:00 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Greater Nevadian Empire wrote:If we did have a chancellor, we could have yearly elections when WA Delegates run for Chancellor. If a WA Delegate is dethroned while chancellor, the new delegate would take his/her place.

How exactly would they be "dethroned"?
In response to the earlier points that this would give even more power to the big delegates, I think it could be good to recognize these peoples' contributions in running the big regions.

I didn't think about that.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:02 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Greater Nevadian Empire wrote:If we did have a chancellor, we could have yearly elections when WA Delegates run for Chancellor. If a WA Delegate is dethroned while chancellor, the new delegate would take his/her place.

How exactly would they be "dethroned"?
In response to the earlier points that this would give even more power to the big delegates, I think it could be good to recognize these peoples' contributions in running the big regions.


They already get plenty of recognition by having a huge say in WA votes. Not to mention that it is frequently referenced to in various SC Commend proposals that a nation was delegate of big region X, etc.
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Postby Palpatine1986 Reborn » Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:18 am

Each WA member would get one vote and one vote alone in the chancellor election. So if a nation wanted to achieve the office they would need to seek out coalitions and work hard for votes just as in a RL election for president/chancellor/prime minister

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:02 pm

Another possibly-stupid idea: create "World Assembly Moderators" to help take some pressure off the Game Mods. These WA Mods would only have powers pertaining to the WA.
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Postby Luna Amore » Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:12 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:Another possibly-stupid idea: create "World Assembly Moderators" to help take some pressure off the Game Mods. These WA Mods would only have powers pertaining to the WA.

Been proposed and shot down before as not necessary.

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Postby Greater Nevadian Empire » Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:53 pm

Palpatine1986 Reborn wrote:Each WA member would get one vote and one vote alone in the chancellor election. So if a nation wanted to achieve the office they would need to seek out coalitions and work hard for votes just as in a RL election for president/chancellor/prime minister

Like that idea. So the Bunny Emperor of Krulltopia won't get 400 votes.
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Postby Enfaru » Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:37 pm

Greater Nevadian Empire wrote:
Palpatine1986 Reborn wrote:Each WA member would get one vote and one vote alone in the chancellor election. So if a nation wanted to achieve the office they would need to seek out coalitions and work hard for votes just as in a RL election for president/chancellor/prime minister

Like that idea. So the Bunny Emperor of Krulltopia won't get 400 votes.


Isn't that how it works at the UN? I don't think countries get votes depending on their size or how many endorsements they have...just vetoes...
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:38 am

Greater Nevadian Empire wrote:
Palpatine1986 Reborn wrote:Each WA member would get one vote and one vote alone in the chancellor election. So if a nation wanted to achieve the office they would need to seek out coalitions and work hard for votes just as in a RL election for president/chancellor/prime minister

Like that idea. So the Bunny Emperor of Krulltopia won't get 400 votes.

Makes sense. Because if the feeders, sinkers, TRR, 10KI, and Euro vote together...look out.
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Postby Rhyphix » Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:14 pm

Even though I am a founder of a large region, I oppose this entirely.

1. It is unfair to smaller regions.
2. NationStates is fun because it cannot be won. By establishing a position in which someone could 'win' by any means, undermines the very fabric of the game.
3. NationStates has already been polluted by additional tinkering, addons, changes of rules, etc. How many times do us veterans of the game have to relearn the rules?

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Postby Idzequitch » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:44 am

What it comes down to, it seems to me, is that we don't need some WA overlord. Perhaps the current system isn't perfect, but would it really be an improvement to give one player or one group of players that much power over the WA and every nation in it? I feel like I don't even have to answer that question.
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Postby Phydios » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:06 pm

Rhyphix wrote:3. NationStates has already been polluted by additional tinkering, addons, changes of rules, etc. How many times do us veterans of the game have to relearn the rules?

While I agree with your opinion - this is a stupid idea that gives one or a few nations way too much power - this reason boils down to "it didn't exist when I started playing, so it shouldn't ever exist". It has no foundation whatsoever besides nostalgia. NS will grow and change for as long as it survives, and if it stops growing and changing, it will be in its final days. Tinkering and rule changes are sometimes necessary to fix errors in the game or to keep it looking modern. Browser add-ons are completely optional; site add-ons (new features) are sometimes necessary to keep up with time, just like "tinkering". So you might want to strike this reason from your argument. It has no merit whatsoever and isn't even necessary to your position.
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Postby Palpatine1986 Reborn » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:33 pm

That is why it would be an election of all WA members not just delegates and even delegates would only count as one vote.

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Postby Lemmingtopias » Tue Mar 31, 2015 7:44 pm

I can't help but worry about the possibility of a potential sith takeover of the Chancellor position should such a position be established...
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