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[PASSED] Liberate Land of the Liberals II

Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:04 am

I will add more to this discussion, when I get home.

But as a general overview from the last liberation.
  • An invisible password has now been instituted.
  • New Earth plans to refound.
  • A native wants the liberation.
  • Without WA intervention, LotL will be refounded as a colony of New Earth.
  • The natives are being forced into a refound.

The text of the resolution...

ImageLiberate Land of the Liberals
A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region

Category: Liberation | Nominee (region): Land of the Liberals | Proposed by: Unibotian WA Mission


Description: The Security Council,

Noting that Land of the Liberals continues to be oppressed under the regime of New Earth, and its iron fist delegate, Spooks I;

Defines...
(1) "Native" as a nation which takes up residence in a region without the intention of furthering the goals and aims of a foreign force;
(2) "Regional Sovereignty" as the collective right of natives to the administration of their region;
(3) "Regional Destruction" as the ejection of all of the natives of a region by a delegate whose actions are not supported by said natives;

Understanding that the World Assembly has the ability to limit the administrative parameters of a delegate;

Believing that delegates who are not natives of their region generally are poor representatives and participants of the World Assembly, depending on the goals and aims of the foreign force which they are furthering;

Further Believing that the World Assembly has entrusted the Security Council with the solemn task of enabling regional sovereignty while regulating such unruly delegates;

Recognizing that the delegate of Land of the Liberals is primarily interested in furthering the empire of New Earth, and is not concerned with the well-being or representing the values of those residing in Land of the Liberals who do not share his foreign interests;

For he has,

• Banned nations such as Maressia for having a democratic socialist government (with no respect for the nature or the spirit of the region in which he is delegate);
• Threatened natives with the decision either to surrender to the authority of New Earth or receive ejection and banishment;
• Implemented a password which is hidden to residents, for the purposes of refounding and gaining even more control through the destruction of the region;

Disgusted that the delegate of Land of the Liberals previously attempted to undermine the World Assembly by temporarily acting above suspicion of all nefarious intentions;

Aware of at least one native, Moralesia, which has declared their disapproval of their region's new administration and their wish for a liberation effort;

Noting that, with native support, defending and other third-party organizations will likely be more inclined to assist with further peacekeeping efforts in Land of the Liberals than before, thus furthering the protection of regional sovereignty and the dissemination of inter-regional peace and goodwill;

Hereby Revokes the ability of this victimized region’s delegate to password protect the region.

Co-authored by Sedgistan, Naivetry and Whamabama.






I asked all of the natives if they wanted New Earth to refound LotL and recieved no telegrams back which supported New Earth.

Moralesia however was the only one who did reply...
Moralesia wrote:No, i do not. I'm surprised they've allowed me to stay this long. I told my irl friend about this site and he joined. I asked him if he wanted to move to the Land of the Liberals, he said "ok, one sec". So he joins and about 30 minutes later, he ejected and banned from the region by Spooks I, just because he was classified as "Democratic Socialists" at the time. Here is his nation: The Incorporated States of Maressia

Also, aligning our once great nation with one that has been condemned by the WA is just insulting, like a slap to the face to the original nations. Also, you may want to look at this message that The Imperial Nation of Calemor sent me.

"Greeting Sir or Madam,

I am Emperor Rolamec, and I am offering you a chance to bring back the glorious days of the Land of the Liberals. The First Empire of New Earth is not interested in spitting in your face or ruling you with an iron fist.

We are simply determined to refound this region, to provide it security, stability, and order. Other invaders would come and destroy it, they would take this region and count it as a mere number, we don't want to do this.

So I give you an option: Choose to leave freely that we may refound it in peace, in doing so you may return, you may elect your own delegate, you have your worldfactbook entry back, you may have your region back; or we will have to do it the hard way, nevertheless your still allowed to return, and refound your own government. Either way we will grant you the rights as a region you deserve.

Our only desire is to bring back peace, order, and stability to your region, that is our goals. Simple as that.

So please help out not for New Earth, not for myself, but for your region.

With Best Wishes,

Emperor Rolamec

P.S. Have a very Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday Season!"

I will be sure not to delete it. And just to be safe, I take a screenshot of it.

If there is any other way for me to help, don't hesitate to ask.


I'm unsure if we can trust the words of the natives who have stated they support the refound publicly, as they are obviously being forced into this refound, and any support of a liberation could threaten their citzenship. It could very well be that Moralesia is the only native who was brave enough to contact me.

None of the natives privately stated their support for New Earth. I will contact Moralesia, and make him aware of this thread.

Voting begins at the Major update of Jan 18 (today).
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Postby A mean old man » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:08 am

I'm not sure how I feel on this issue.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia

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Postby Spooks I » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:10 am

Can I just clarify I a point I did not
• Banned nations such as Maressia for having a democratic socialist government (with no respect for the nature or the spirit of the region in which he is delegate);


I could not care less what type of government one nation has- I don't even think I have answered ONE issue. I would like to see that statement removed as you have absolutely no evidence to prove it and it is just pure slander.

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Postby A mean old man » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:12 am

So why was he banned, then?
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia

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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:13 am

Spooks I wrote:Can I just clarify I a point I did not
• Banned nations such as Maressia for having a democratic socialist government (with no respect for the nature or the spirit of the region in which he is delegate);


I could not care less what type of government one nation has- I don't even think I have answered ONE issue. I would like to see that statement removed as you have absolutely no evidence to prove it and it is just pure slander.


Thats according to a native, and I've seen RMB posts which talk about your discrimination against liberalism too. If I see more, I'll archive them in the future.

Oh, great..... :roll: ....
6 minutes ago: Moralesia was ejected from Land of the Liberals by The Kingdom of Spooks I.

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Postby Spooks I » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:14 am

A mean old man wrote:So why was he banned, then?


An unidentified WA moved into the region- I saw this and for regional security banned him. I assure you 100% I did not take any consideration in the political nature of that nation.

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Postby Spooks I » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:15 am

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
Spooks I wrote:Can I just clarify I a point I did not
• Banned nations such as Maressia for having a democratic socialist government (with no respect for the nature or the spirit of the region in which he is delegate);


I could not care less what type of government one nation has- I don't even think I have answered ONE issue. I would like to see that statement removed as you have absolutely no evidence to prove it and it is just pure slander.


Thats according to a native, and I've seen RMB posts which talk about your discrimination against liberalism too. If I see more, I'll archive them in the future.

Oh, great..... :roll: ....
6 minutes ago: Moralesia was ejected from Land of the Liberals by The Kingdom of Spooks I.


I don't think you had. I have only posted one thing on the RMB and that is up there now. What other people say is not in my control.

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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:16 am

Spooks I wrote:
A mean old man wrote:So why was he banned, then?


An unidentified WA moved into the region- I saw this and for regional security banned him. I assure you 100% I did not take any consideration in the political nature of that nation.


You assured me 100% in the last debate that you had native support, and that the refound was for 'political stability' reasons.
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Postby Spooks I » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:19 am

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
Spooks I wrote:
A mean old man wrote:So why was he banned, then?


An unidentified WA moved into the region- I saw this and for regional security banned him. I assure you 100% I did not take any consideration in the political nature of that nation.


You assured me 100% in the last debeate that you had native support, and that the refound was for 'political stability' reasons.


I'm unsure if we can trust the words of the natives who have stated they support the refound publicly,


I'm sorry, ,but did you not just admit that some natives have come out to support the refound and the just because you don't agree with their opinion you say they can't be trusted.

Yes it is for security and political stability- you cannot attempt a refound with nations in a region- we have to go through this process!

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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:21 am

Spooks I wrote:
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
Spooks I wrote:
A mean old man wrote:So why was he banned, then?


An unidentified WA moved into the region- I saw this and for regional security banned him. I assure you 100% I did not take any consideration in the political nature of that nation.


You assured me 100% in the last debeate that you had native support, and that the refound was for 'political stability' reasons.


I'm unsure if we can trust the words of the natives who have stated they support the refound publicly,


I'm sorry, ,but did you not just admit that some natives have come out to support the refound and the just because you don't agree with their opinion you say they can't be trusted.

Yes it is for security and political stability- you cannot attempt a refound with nations in a region- we have to go through this process!


No, you said you had full native support. You don't -- and you neglected to tell anyone that you were threatening them into supporting you.

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Postby Spooks I » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:26 am

I'm slightly annoyed you are using the word "you" I have not contacted a single native >:(

Can you not see the benefits of a Land of the Liberals with an active founder that can protect the region?

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Postby Namabia » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:26 am

Ah drat not friggin again. Stop condem/commending people. I want to see less of that becaus whenever I check the WA it seems like were condeming / liberating /or commending someone. That's just my opinion....
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Postby Namabia » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:29 am

Also Spooks stop ejecting people. I looked at your regional happenings. It is filled with people being ejected. Unless it's for a good reason I have no support for you.
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Postby Martyrdoom » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:43 am

If New Earth is intending to refound the region so it can be an active part of their empire, I have no problem with that at all. Other parties - residents, former residents, use passwords to refound regions so why not New Earth.

However, if it's going to be a passworded and puppeted region, I would support a liberation but only once that became the case.

Plus, I'm fucking sick of seeing the names of 'defenders' plastered all over liberation proposals.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:53 pm

I am not sure about the current situation of the Land of the Liberals but I think it does have a potential.

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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:50 pm

Martyrdoom wrote:If New Earth is intending to refound the region so it can be an active part of their empire, I have no problem with that at all. Other parties - residents, former residents, use passwords to refound regions so why not New Earth.

However, if it's going to be a passworded and puppeted region, I would support a liberation but only once that became the case.


I don't see either situation as being good, look at the dozens of Macedon's refounded colonies which will belong to them forever. And there is no proof to suggest that New Earth won't keep it as a password trophy, its just more likely they'll keep it as a strictly-ruled foundered colony -- per New Earth's prior history, and Spooks I's own words. Though Spooks I has already lied on several occasions, so theres not much to say they won't keep it as a password trophy.

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Postby Spooks I » Mon Jan 18, 2010 1:53 pm

There is little more I can do but give you my personal assurances that Land of the Liberals would not become a password trophy. It would be opened up to one and all, the only difference is that it would have an active founder.

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Postby Martyrdoom » Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:02 pm

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
Martyrdoom wrote:If New Earth is intending to refound the region so it can be an active part of their empire, I have no problem with that at all. Other parties - residents, former residents, use passwords to refound regions so why not New Earth.

However, if it's going to be a passworded and puppeted region, I would support a liberation but only once that became the case.


I don't see either situation as being good, look at the dozens of Macedon's refounded colonies which will belong to them forever. And there is no proof to suggest that New Earth won't keep it as a password trophy, its just more likely they'll keep it as a strictly-ruled foundered colony -- per New Earth's prior history, and Spooks I's own words. Though Spooks I has already lied on several occasions, so theres not much to say they won't keep it as a password trophy.


Firstly, we just share different views: I would take a refounded (but open) region over a passworded & puppeted (and hence closed) region any day of the week.

Secondly, there's no real proof either way. Even if they did password it and tried to keep it as a puppeted trophy, a liberation would still open it up for the wider community.

If you want to make the proposed refounding more difficult for New Earth that's up to you.
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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:29 pm

Spooks I wrote:There is little more I can do but give you my personal assurances that Land of the Liberals would not become a password trophy. It would be opened up to one and all, the only difference is that it would have an active founder.


We've already seen you as delegate....

From two days ago? wrote:14 minutes ago: The Kingdom of Spooks I ejected The Empire of Zul Nerub from the region.
8 hours ago: The Kingdom of Spooks I ejected The Republic of Avelius from the region.
23 hours ago: The Kingdom of Spooks I ejected The Dictatorship of Dimension 9 from the region.
23 hours ago: The Kingdom of Spooks I ejected The Empire of Sethoria from the region.
23 hours ago: The Kingdom of Spooks I ejected The Republic of Hyperion IV from the region.
1 day, 1 hour ago: The Kingdom of Spooks I ejected The Republic of Kalashnikov Rus from the region.
1 day, 1 hour ago: The Kingdom of Spooks I ejected The Colony of The Twilight Coast from the region.
1 day, 1 hour ago: The Kingdom of Spooks I ejected The Republic of Poppapdda from the region.


... Founder can only be worse.

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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:30 pm

Martyrdoom wrote:If you want to make the proposed refounding more difficult for New Earth that's up to you.


Its up to the World Assembly in the grander scheme of things.

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Postby Spooks I » Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:08 pm

Merely quoting the Regional Happenings of me ejecting nations is not nearly enough to justify your point. In order to refound a region you have to remove ALL the nations, otherwise it will never happen.

You will notice I am not banning them and will welcome their return once the region is refounded.

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Postby Martyrdoom » Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:38 pm

Spooks I wrote:Merely quoting the Regional Happenings of me ejecting nations is not nearly enough to justify your point. In order to refound a region you have to remove ALL the nations, otherwise it will never happen.


Which is, sure enough, identical reasoning to this:

Madazi wrote:This password is necessary to ensure that the region is emptied.

(viewtopic.php?f=24&t=22999&start=50)

However, Madazi was a 'native' - one which hadn't been in the region for two years mind - so your excuse will be rejected while the other is gladly accepted.
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Postby The divided » Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:49 pm

* 20 minutes ago: FlagThe Nomadic Peoples of Liberal Black Dude departed this region for Capitalist Paradise.
* 22 minutes ago: FlagThe Republic of Azril departed this region for Capitalist Paradise.
* 5 hours ago: FlagThe Kingdom of Spooks I ejected FlagThe United Socialist States of Moralesia from the region.
* 1 day, 5 hours ago: FlagThe Kingdom of Spooks I ejected FlagThe Holy Empire of Karmaimps from the region.
* 1 day, 9 hours ago: FlagThe United States of Worried Men departed this region for Circle of Badularity.
* 1 day, 13 hours ago: FlagThe Kingdom of Spooks I ejected FlagThe Federal Republic of Asphodell from the region.
* 2 days, 5 hours ago: FlagThe Kingdom of Spooks I ejected FlagThe Empire of Zul Nerub from the region.
* 2 days, 13 hours ago: FlagThe Kingdom of Spooks I ejected FlagThe Republic of Avelius from the region.
* 3 days, 4 hours ago: FlagThe Kingdom of Spooks I ejected FlagThe Dictatorship of Dimension 9 from the region.
* 3 days, 4 hours ago: FlagThe Kingdom of Spooks I ejected FlagThe Empire of Sethoria from the region.


Y'all had better move this along quickly, they only have invaders left.

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Postby Unibotian WA Mission » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:51 pm

Spooks I wrote:Merely quoting the Regional Happenings of me ejecting nations is not nearly enough to justify your point. In order to refound a region you have to remove ALL the nations, otherwise it will never happen.

You will notice I am not banning them and will welcome their return once the region is refounded.


But you're refounding without their approval, you're ejecting them, and telling them 'its for your own good', 'it'll increase the region's political stability', 'we'll give you a portion of the region's control, maybe'. That's ridiculous.
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Postby Martyrdoom » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:00 pm

Unibotian WA Mission wrote:
Spooks I wrote:Merely quoting the Regional Happenings of me ejecting nations is not nearly enough to justify your point. In order to refound a region you have to remove ALL the nations, otherwise it will never happen.

You will notice I am not banning them and will welcome their return once the region is refounded.


But you're refounding without their approval, you're ejecting them, and telling them 'its for your own good', 'it'll increase the region's political stability', 'we'll give you a portion of the region's control, maybe'. That's ridiculous.


What's all this talk of 'their'? Am I missing something?

Aware of at least one native, Moralesia, which has declared their disapproval of their region's new administration and their wish for a liberation effort;


I asked all of the natives if they wanted New Earth to refound LotL and recieved no telegrams back which supported New Earth.

Moralesia however was the only one who did reply...


Anyways, how do we actually know Moralesia is (or was) a 'native' and "a nation which takes up residence in a region without the intention of furthering the goals and aims of a foreign force."?
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