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Postby Vanishing_shame » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:55 pm

did you get vacines as a child? did you know there made from abortions? did you>?

i did not.

if i ever have kids im not going to vacinate them because of this.

i got this email and looked it up and its true

You may not be aware of the FACT that several vaccines mandated for use in children today are cultured on aborted fetal tissue. I have a hard time believing that God would allow the use of this; thus providing benefit for our use?

There is such a slippery slope operating here that some would see it as a purpose to allow abortion. Furthermore, my Lord and Savior does not cause evil to do good and does not condone behaviors that seek to.

Considering the ethical issue alone, that some children must be sacrificed for others, and it does happen much more frequently than the medical profession wants to admit, is problematic. The deceit involved in sustaining mandated vaccination programs could never be conceded as a necessary component of public health.

Vaccination is a poorly understood biological phenomenon, and if one does historical research on this topic, one discovers that it borders more on the superstitious than scientific.

Vaccination in our current world has become big business and the current pandemic epidemics of autism, ADHD, asthma, and childhood diabetes and cancers is the result of greed, not compassionate health intervention and disease prevention.

I believe the biggest obstacle to man submitting to God is his misplaced reliance on man’s wisdom (science) and not God’s. Recall what happened in the Old Testament when man began to worship the serpent on the staff, and forgot that the healing power was God’s alone.

Just as science has misled the majority in man’s origins, so has it misled many in matters of health and healing.


what do you think? babies dying daily so you dont get chicken pox. how sad.

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Postby Yootopia » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:59 pm

"Vaccination is a poorly understood biological phenomenon"

Are you fucking kidding me -_-
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Postby Tanaara » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:00 pm

I'd like to see a link to the site that supposedly 'proves' this allegation.
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Postby Western Mercenary Unio » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:02 pm

Because, you know, they're not made from agent that resemble the viruses/anything that causes the disease. No, of course not, they're made out of baby fetus. :roll:
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Postby UNIverseVERSE » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:03 pm

This claim is total bullshit.

As it happens, quite a few vaccines are grown in chicken eggs, but that's totally beside the point of this thread.
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Postby Brogavia » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:04 pm

Western Mercenary Unio wrote:No, of course not, they're made out of baby fetus. :roll:


So is most of the stuff at McDonalds...
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Postby Khadgar » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:04 pm

Yes, please don't vaccinate your children. Maybe smallpox will sterilize them and save society the further burden of your genetic lineage.

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Postby Tanaara » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:05 pm

I know that, (about being grown in chicken eggs) I just wanted a look at a site that is so totally wacked as to actually post such outrageoud bull as anything resembling the truth.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:09 pm

Vanishing_shame wrote:http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2009/03/15/vaccines-aborted-fetus-cell-lines/

this blog has links to proof

Page not found. I have a feeling like that blog is pure BS.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:09 pm

Vanishing_shame wrote:http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2009/03/15/vaccines-aborted-fetus-cell-lines/

this blog has links to proof


A...blog is your... proof?
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Postby Vanishing_shame » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:09 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Vanishing_shame wrote:http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2009/03/15/vaccines-aborted-fetus-cell-lines/

this blog has links to proof

Page not found. I have a feeling like that blog is pure BS.

the blog? i'm looking at it right now. :blink:

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Postby Western Mercenary Unio » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:10 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Page not found. I have a feeling like that blog is pure BS.


Works for me. And, it's BS.
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Postby Brogavia » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:10 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Vanishing_shame wrote:http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2009/03/15/vaccines-aborted-fetus-cell-lines/

this blog has links to proof

Page not found. I have a feeling like that blog is pure BS.


works for me.

Few people know that modern vaccines for various diseases such as Measles and Chickenpox are manufactured using fetal cell lines from abortion.

As a parent, I was faced with the decision whether or not to vax my children. I was shocked to find out that vaccines contained aborted fetus cells, turning a parental decision into a matter of ethical principles (As a Christian, I believe life begins at conception and am 100% against abortion.) I am posting this information here so people can make informed decisions. I am aware some of this information is posted elsewhere on the internet, but it was/is extremely difficult to find if you do not know exactly what to look for, so this is partially for more in-depth information and partially to make it easier to find. I have also noticed some of the links on some pro-life site are outdated for vaccines (For example Coriell Labs has moved their pages around), so here are ones that are current as of March 14 2009.

To start, I’ll post information on one of the Chickenpox (varicella) vaccines. The vaccine is manufactured by Merck, called Varivax. (Smith-Kline also makes a varicella vaccine but I’ll post on that later.)

The FDA approved Varivax for distribution in the USA in March 1995.

FDA Approval Letter to Merck for Varivax

In Canada, it was approved on December 2, 1998.

Notice of Compliance dates for Varivax(III) in Canada (Merck-Frosst)

Varivax II and Varivax III are its successors and Varivax III is the one currently manufactured.

The original Varivax information distributed in the USA stated:

Varivax info from Merck

VARIVAX* [Varicella Virus Vaccine Live] is a preparation of the Oka/Merck strain of live, attenuated
varicella virus. The virus was initially obtained from a child with natural varicella, then introduced into
human embryonic lung cell cultures, adapted to and propagated in embryonic guinea pig cell cultures and
finally propagated in human diploid cell cultures (WI-38). Further passage of the virus for varicella vaccine
was performed at Merck Research Laboratories (MRL) in human diploid cell cultures (MRC-5) that were
free of adventitious agents. This live, attenuated varicella vaccine is a lyophilized preparation containing
sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, and processed gelatin as stabilizers.

Varivax III Product Monograph, from Merck-Frosst Canada

From Page 9:

Non-Medicinal Ingredients
Each 0.5 mL dose contains: approximately 18 mg of sucrose, 8.9 mg of hydrolyzed gelatin, 3.6 mg of
urea, 2.3 mg of sodium chloride, 0.36 mg of monosodium L-glutamate, 0.33 mg of sodium phosphate
dibasic, 57 ìg of potassium phosphate monobasic, 57 ìg of potassium chloride. The product also
contains residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein; and trace quantities of
neomycin, and fetal bovine serum from MRC-5 culture media. The product contains no preservative.

Where did this MRC-5 and WI-38 come from?

Coriell Research Lab MRC-5 Cell Line

The MRC-5 cell line was developed in September 1966 from lung tissue taken from a 14 week fetus aborted for psychiatric reason from a 27 year old physically healthy woman. The cell morphology is fibroblast-like. The karyotype is 46,XY; normal diploid male. Cumulative population doublings to senescence is 42-48. G6PD isoenzyme is type B. >

Coriell Research Lab WI-38 Cell Line

The WI-38 cell line was developed in July 1962 from lung tissue taken from a therapeutically aborted fetus of about 3 months gestational age. Cells released by trypsin digestion of the lung tissue were used for the primary culture. The cell morphology is fibroblast-like. The karyotype is 46,XX; normal diploid female. A maximum lifespan of 50 population doublings for this culture was obtained at the Repository. A thymidine labelling index of 86% was obtained after recovery. G6PD is isoenzyme type B. This culture of WI-38 is an expansion from passage 9 frozen cells obtained from the submitter.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:10 pm

Western Mercenary Unio wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Page not found. I have a feeling like that blog is pure BS.


Works for me. And, it's BS.

Vanishing_shame wrote:the blog? i'm looking at it right now. :blink:

No, it's supposed sources don't work for me.
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Postby Vanishing_shame » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:10 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Vanishing_shame wrote:http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2009/03/15/vaccines-aborted-fetus-cell-lines/

this blog has links to proof


A...blog is your... proof?
:rofl:

NO THE LINKS IN THE BLOG, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE CAN'T YOU FUCKING READ? :evil:

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Postby Chetssaland » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:11 pm

your gonna believe a spam email?

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Postby Khadgar » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:11 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Vanishing_shame wrote:http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2009/03/15/vaccines-aborted-fetus-cell-lines/

this blog has links to proof


A...blog is your... proof?
:rofl:


No, her "proof" is this:

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_cir ... vax_pi.pdf

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Postby Vanishing_shame » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:12 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Western Mercenary Unio wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Page not found. I have a feeling like that blog is pure BS.


Works for me. And, it's BS.

Vanishing_shame wrote:the blog? i'm looking at it right now. :blink:

No, it's supposed sources don't work for me.

they all work for me except the fda one, but it was working earlyer.

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Postby SoWiBi » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:13 pm

Vanishing_shame wrote:what do you think? babies dying daily so you dont get chicken pox. how sad.

Even IF what you claim were true, "babies" would not have to "die" in order for someone not to get chicken pox - you see, abortions happen for other reasons, no matter what is or isn't done with the organic tissue afterwards, and I assure you there hasn't been one single more abortion happening just because they'd use the material for whatever reason afterwards.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:14 pm

Khadgar wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Vanishing_shame wrote:http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2009/03/15/vaccines-aborted-fetus-cell-lines/

this blog has links to proof


A...blog is your... proof?
:rofl:


No, her "proof" is this:

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_cir ... vax_pi.pdf


Which is still senseless crap.
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Postby Ferrous Oxide » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:14 pm

I believe the biggest obstacle to man submitting to God is his misplaced reliance on man’s wisdom (science) and not God’s. Recall what happened in the Old Testament when man began to worship the serpent on the staff, and forgot that the healing power was God’s alone.

Just as science has misled the majority in man’s origins, so has it misled many in matters of health and healing.


If "God" was actually healing us, do you think we'd have had to invent all the medicines and vaccinations that we use?

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Postby No Names Left Damn It » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:14 pm

I love you, Vanishing shame. If only Parkus were here to see this thread.
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No Names Left Damn It wrote:I love you, Vanishing shame. If only Parkus were here to see this thread.

Which reminds me, where has Parkus been?

And Trve, for that matter?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:16 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
No Names Left Damn It wrote:I love you, Vanishing shame. If only Parkus were here to see this thread.

Which reminds me, where has Parkus been?

And Trve, for that matter?


I think Parkus is in the military now. Basic training? I seem to recall him saying as much.
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