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PROPOSAL: The School Degenderizing Act

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PROPOSAL: The School Degenderizing Act

Postby Amerieka » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:07 pm

I have submitted a proposal for your consideration. Please support it.

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DESCRIPTION: Gender equality has made inroads in many sectors of society but requires further cultural cultivation in society;

RECOGNIZING that early education can and will play a key role in the continued improvement of equality between genders;

PROPOSES that "gender" be progressively minimized, with the aim of eventual elimination, from member nations' education system.

DEFINITIONS:
Education system broadly refers to both academic aspects, such as curriculum, and teaching approach, and administrative aspects, such as uniforms, enrollment forms, and toilet labels.

This proposal states that with IMMEDIATE EFFECT,

1. All school toilets have no gender identification.

2. Schools that have uniforms abolish the need for standardized uniforms which has conventionally been gender-differentiated.

3. Gender is no longer a required category in all forms and documents relating to the student (or prospective students)

This proposal further establishes that within FIVE years,

1. Gender studies as a liberal arts subject be taught in secondary/high schools (or its equivalent).

2. All science based subjects remove the use of he/she, or other gender specific identifications, be removed with it.

3. Subjects dealing specifically with gender-linked aspects, such as biology, where he/she can ease the process of learning, is exempt. Art subjects, such as literature and film, are also exempt due to the nature of the already gender specific content.

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Postby Siburria » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:17 pm

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Postby Siburria » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:21 pm

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Postby Burleson 2 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:23 pm

So basically, you want to force political correctness on everyone and require all nations to adopt a pointless class that can't be applied to any job.
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Postby Siburria » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:35 pm

"2. Schools that have uniforms abolish the need for standardized uniforms which has conventionally been gender-differentiated."

How would this work out? You would just be removing uniforms and students will wear whatever not changing anything.
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Postby Siburria » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:39 pm

I will just stop here. The others will be coming to rip your proposition apart soon.
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Postby Amerieka » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:41 pm

students wearing what they want is about giving them the liberty to dress as they like - ie if a girl wants to wear pants, fine. sorry it didn't come across as clear as i would have liked it to.

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Postby Amerieka » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:43 pm

thank you for your feedback and eagerness to rip me apart. i will strive to make improvements.

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Postby Ashyaria » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:43 pm

I hate the WA but I love this proposal.
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Postby The Eastern Antarctic State » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:43 pm

So this is in high schools too, correct?
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:44 pm

And why is this an international issue?

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Postby Amerieka » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:48 pm

gender neutrality and equality is not applicable internationally?
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Postby Amerieka » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:54 pm

Suburria, you didn't have to edit to "meh" for whatever reason, I liked your feedback :)

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Postby Grevlo » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:16 pm

Why it won't work (esp. from age 12+):

1) Getting rid of gender-associated bathrooms is a mistake, especially in high schools, because (this is an example) a boy could stand on the toilet seat, poke his phone over the top of the stall, and take a pic of the girl next to him. The situation can also be reversed, and that wouldn't be good.

2) To remove geneder identification (he/she) wouldn't be practical. You'd be forcing most people, you have identified as he or she for their entire lives to identify as they or it. That reverses the problem I think you're partially trying to bring across about some people identifying as neither. If that's the case, switch it to make them recognize whatever they identify as.

3) Gender is crucial in certain documents relating to student's health, so that obviously has to go.

4) By removing Biology or any subject that has to do with gender, you'd be removing a great deal of the science curriculum, english curriculum, social studies curriculum, languages with masculine and feminine versions of some words, and basically everything except math formulas.

5) Your requirement #1 is in contradiction with requirement #3.

6) Requirement #3 destroys any outside contact, where you will inevitably come in contact with 'he' or 'she'.

7) Banning the use of gender descriptive verbs can, as stated in my 3rd point, severely damage medical records and availability.

8.) According to requirement #3, sports can't be gender-separated,which can be harmful to students. In football, for example, you are constantly slamming into other players with great force. Males have more muscle and are generally physically tougher than females, so a female player facing up a male player may be critically injured with a higher risk of permanent damage.

I think I rest my case.
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Postby Flibbleites » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:49 pm

Amerieka wrote:gender neutrality and equality is not applicable internationally?

But this isn't about "gender neutrality and equality" this is about pointless and unnecessary micromanagement. For example, I don't give a rat's ass what the dress code for your nation's schools is, why do you care what it is in mine?

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:09 pm

WOW! Submitted after a whole two hours of debate? I see your career here is going to go far.
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Postby Tinfect » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:46 pm

OOC:
Now, hold on a minute, I am all for the breaking down of gender roles, but this is absolutely not the way to go about it.

Amerieka wrote:DESCRIPTION: Gender equality has made inroads in many sectors of society but requires further cultural cultivation in society;

Yes.

Amerieka wrote:RECOGNIZING that early education can and will play a key role in the continued improvement of equality between genders;

Yes.

Amerieka wrote:PROPOSES that "gender" be progressively minimized, with the aim of eventual elimination, from member nations' education system.

Oh dear.

Amerieka wrote:DEFINITIONS:
Education system broadly refers to both academic aspects, such as curriculum, and teaching approach, and administrative aspects, such as uniforms, enrollment forms, and toilet labels.

Okay, sounds good- wait. "... Toilet Labels." What.

Amerieka wrote:1. All school toilets have no gender identification.

Oh. No more Gender-Segregated Bathrooms, okay, sure whatever, so long as Privacy is still a primary aspect in them, I have no objections to this.

Amerieka wrote:2. Schools that have uniforms abolish the need for standardized uniforms which has conventionally been gender-differentiated.

No. Schools in the Imperium, and in many of the other (Somewhat) sane nations of the WA that still enforce uniforms in schools, do not go to discriminatory extremes with our Uniforms, there are legitimate, physiological reasons for why Female and Male uniforms ought to be differentiated.

Amerieka wrote:3. Gender is no longer a required category in all forms and documents relating to the student (or prospective students)

No. Requiring the statement of physical gender in documents is not going away, again, there are good reasons for this.

Amerieka wrote:This proposal further establishes that within FIVE years,

WA Proposals are effective immediately, we cannot mandate that you do something five years from now.

Amerieka wrote:1. Gender studies as a liberal arts subject be taught in secondary/high schools (or its equivalent).

And what will these courses entail, exactly?

Amerieka wrote:2. All science based subjects remove the use of he/she, or other gender specific identifications, be removed with it.

You really need to proofread these proposals. Also, NO. There are likely more reasons than I know for why this is incredibly important in Science Courses.

Amerieka wrote:3. Subjects dealing specifically with gender-linked aspects, such as biology, where he/she can ease the process of learning, is exempt. Art subjects, such as literature and film, are also exempt due to the nature of the already gender specific content.

Contradicts the above.


EDIT:
And... You submitted it. Next time, give it a few days, at the least, as it is right now, this thing is not only really badly thought out, it is also a huge pile of illegal.
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Postby Ardchoilleans » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:56 pm

Amerieka wrote:2. All science based subjects remove the use of he/she, or other gender specific identifications, be removed with it.


Coincidentally, it is "Dress Like a Schoolkid Day" in Ardchoille. The entire delegation is wearing tartan garments on their lower torsos. Avaya Thibaudet takes a moment from the argument about whether said garment is a kilt, a lava-lava or a wraparound skirt to ask:

"Ambassador, will it actually be possible for non-English speakers to study les sciences (fpl), when students even can't add l'acide (m) to l'eau (m) without violating Clause 2?"
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Postby Amerieka » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:39 pm

sorry i did this whole thing wrong. i will let the debate carry on a few days and make changes prior to submitting. thank u all for the feedback.

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Postby Normlpeople » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:51 pm

OOC: So Tumblr SJWs have found the WA? Great.

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:51 pm

Amerieka wrote:sorry i did this whole thing wrong. i will let the debate carry on a few days and make changes prior to submitting. thank u all for the feedback.


A few days? Resolutions take months of drafting to be ready. Even longer when the author is new. I would suggest patience, but I highly doubt you are going to listen.

I have also been asked to convey a message from Prime Minister Pearson:

"What the fuck is this bullshit? Men are men, and women are women. How in the name of Christ is this even anywhere close to an international issue?

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Postby Amerieka » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:10 pm

I note your comment and will aim to be more patient. Your quick judgment is noted.

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Postby Amerieka » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:11 pm

I said "a few days" because an earlier comment said that was how I should go about it. Sorry again.

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:17 pm

Amerieka wrote:I note your comment and will aim to be more patient. Your quick judgment is noted.

"Just ignore them. The idea that you have to spend months on a proposal which they're not going to support anyway because of their own transphobic bigotry is spurious and useless.

"That said, we wonder about the need for this proposal. Existing WA law already states:
5) Full recognition shall be given to gender changes & intersex/gender status in international/national personal documents, if they mention gender;

"While we are unlikely to support this proposal, we think it could generate some interesting debate in a fairly staid time for the WA."

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