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by Olivaero » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:20 pm
by Eastfield Lodge » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:21 pm
Olivaero wrote:Is America literally full of prudes or something? Am I right in thinking freshmen are about 15-16 years old? Who thinks this is inappropriate for a 15-16 year old?
by Farnhamia » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:22 pm
Olivaero wrote:Is America literally full of prudes or something? Am I right in thinking freshmen are about 15-16 years old? Who thinks this is inappropriate for a 15-16 year old?
by Old Tyrannia » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:26 pm
Olivaero wrote:Is America literally full of prudes or something? Am I right in thinking freshmen are about 15-16 years old? Who thinks this is inappropriate for a 15-16 year old?
by Olivaero » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:38 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Olivaero wrote:Is America literally full of prudes or something? Am I right in thinking freshmen are about 15-16 years old? Who thinks this is inappropriate for a 15-16 year old?
Yes, America can be that way, but what merit does that bit of doggerel have, save that it will 15 and 16 year-olds giggle?
Old Tyrannia wrote:Olivaero wrote:Is America literally full of prudes or something? Am I right in thinking freshmen are about 15-16 years old? Who thinks this is inappropriate for a 15-16 year old?
You don't seriously believe that this would be considered perfectly acceptable if it were a UK school, do you? I don't doubt that 15-16 year olds can and do hear worse, but it's not appropriate behaviour for a maths teacher.
by Farnhamia » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:41 pm
Olivaero wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Yes, America can be that way, but what merit does that bit of doggerel have, save that it will 15 and 16 year-olds giggle?
Oh it doesn't necessarily have that much merit, I'm guessing the guy reading this knew what effect it would have, but on principle outside some suggestive imagery this is pretty close to the themes in literature these children should be about to be exposed to or already are being exposed to, not in maths class or sure but you can't tell me exposure to sexual imagery in America waits until college? Romeo and Juliet is covered yes?Old Tyrannia wrote:You don't seriously believe that this would be considered perfectly acceptable if it were a UK school, do you? I don't doubt that 15-16 year olds can and do hear worse, but it's not appropriate behaviour for a maths teacher.
Certainly the sexual implications of Romeo and Juliet were covered at my school, but more than that even if any such proclamation by a teacher such as this were uttered it would not be met by widespread snitching to parents it is seriously worrying in my opinion that such an action is met in such a way, it means America is still in a very long way from changing it's youth hasn't even learned how to be sexually liberated yet.
Then down through the years,
People did screw,
And now it is time,
For me and you.
So pull down your pants,
And lay in the grass,
Cause I’m in the mood,
For a piece of that ASS!
by Olivaero » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:55 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Olivaero wrote:Oh it doesn't necessarily have that much merit, I'm guessing the guy reading this knew what effect it would have, but on principle outside some suggestive imagery this is pretty close to the themes in literature these children should be about to be exposed to or already are being exposed to, not in maths class or sure but you can't tell me exposure to sexual imagery in America waits until college? Romeo and Juliet is covered yes?
Certainly the sexual implications of Romeo and Juliet were covered at my school, but more than that even if any such proclamation by a teacher such as this were uttered it would not be met by widespread snitching to parents it is seriously worrying in my opinion that such an action is met in such a way, it means America is still in a very long way from changing it's youth hasn't even learned how to be sexually liberated yet.
Suggestive imagery? The last two stanzas are not merely suggestive but are, essentially, an invitation to sex. Inappropriate under any standards in a math class, wouldn't you agree?Then down through the years,
People did screw,
And now it is time,
For me and you.
So pull down your pants,
And lay in the grass,
Cause I’m in the mood,
For a piece of that ASS!
by Farnhamia » Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:05 pm
Olivaero wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Suggestive imagery? The last two stanzas are not merely suggestive but are, essentially, an invitation to sex. Inappropriate under any standards in a math class, wouldn't you agree?
In a maths class sure, a stern telling off for his sense of humour maybe, but fired? Nah it was valentines day, the audience he was speaking too already has sex on it's mind a lot of the time it's not really inappropriate. Maybe if he grabbed his crotch or something afterwards but it's a poem for christs sake they're likely to hear more lurid imagery in a hip hop song I have teenage nephews and I'm not that far away from remembering what teenagers were thinking about myself so I really doubt this is beyond what 15-16 year olds are confronted with on a daily basis sex should not be a taboo thing especially considering valentines day for the majority of a persons life is going to be about sex. I think the parents that are complaining need to take a close look at the society they live in and square themselves with the fact that if their children are going to live in such a society properly they shouldn't be trying to get teachers who as the job title suggests are meant to teach them about things fired on the basis of teaching, through poem or otherwise.
by Sanctissima » Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:15 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Olivaero wrote:In a maths class sure, a stern telling off for his sense of humour maybe, but fired? Nah it was valentines day, the audience he was speaking too already has sex on it's mind a lot of the time it's not really inappropriate. Maybe if he grabbed his crotch or something afterwards but it's a poem for christs sake they're likely to hear more lurid imagery in a hip hop song I have teenage nephews and I'm not that far away from remembering what teenagers were thinking about myself so I really doubt this is beyond what 15-16 year olds are confronted with on a daily basis sex should not be a taboo thing especially considering valentines day for the majority of a persons life is going to be about sex. I think the parents that are complaining need to take a close look at the society they live in and square themselves with the fact that if their children are going to live in such a society properly they shouldn't be trying to get teachers who as the job title suggests are meant to teach them about things fired on the basis of teaching, through poem or otherwise.
The fact that his audience already had sex on their minds is reason enough not to do it. I'll tell you why he should be fired, though, he lacked the foresight to think, "Gee, I think this is an hysterical poem but ... hmmm, I wonder how the parents of my students are going to react when they hear about it?" Regardless of whether we think the parents are over-reacting or not, this teacher was so dumb as to think he'd not get any reaction. I question his ability to tie his shoelaces, let alone teach.
by Greater Soviet Ukraine » Sun Feb 15, 2015 5:23 pm
by Olthar » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:06 pm
by Farnhamia » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:08 pm
Sanctissima wrote:Farnhamia wrote:The fact that his audience already had sex on their minds is reason enough not to do it. I'll tell you why he should be fired, though, he lacked the foresight to think, "Gee, I think this is an hysterical poem but ... hmmm, I wonder how the parents of my students are going to react when they hear about it?" Regardless of whether we think the parents are over-reacting or not, this teacher was so dumb as to think he'd not get any reaction. I question his ability to tie his shoelaces, let alone teach.
If we're going to start firing teachers because they wear loafers, we're going to have to fire half of all teachers in North America.
On a more serious note, although I agree that reading the poem was both a stupid move on his part and highly inappropriate, I think that him losing his job was a proper course of action. One stupid mistake shouldn't equal a terminated career.
by -Ebola- » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:12 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
If we're going to start firing teachers because they wear loafers, we're going to have to fire half of all teachers in North America.
On a more serious note, although I agree that reading the poem was both a stupid move on his part and highly inappropriate, I think that him losing his job was a proper course of action. One stupid mistake shouldn't equal a terminated career.
He read it in Texas. Come on, that right there tells you he's not great at thinking things through.
by Sanctissima » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:12 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
If we're going to start firing teachers because they wear loafers, we're going to have to fire half of all teachers in North America.
On a more serious note, although I agree that reading the poem was both a stupid move on his part and highly inappropriate, I think that him losing his job was a proper course of action. One stupid mistake shouldn't equal a terminated career.
He read it in Texas. Come on, that right there tells you he's not great at thinking things through.
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by Gauthier » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:53 pm
-Ebola- wrote:Farnhamia wrote:He read it in Texas. Come on, that right there tells you he's not great at thinking things through.
That is a good point. I went to Texas once and everyone wigged out, like "BAAAHHHH!!! EBOLA!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!" It seems like people there have a tendency to overreact to things.
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