Second Amendment Repeal / Gun Control

[United Prefectures of Appia]

And don't get me wrong, it is a tragedy, but overall, it's still only a fraction of the number of people killed by other means (and only about twice as high as the average number of people killed by lightning each year).

At least as far as murder is concerned, firearms still kills more than other methods combine and that's been happening over the last couple of years.

[Kernen]

Wanna hunt down a less biased source there, bud?

Sorry, but Big Jim P was in the front of the line first.

Not seeing the bias in his site. Not at all.

At least as far as murder is concerned, firearms still kills more than other methods combine and that's been happening over the last couple of years.

Which really doesn't make much of an argument for restricting ownership among law abiding citizens.

[Sevvania]

And don't get me wrong, it is a tragedy, but overall, it's still only a fraction of the number of people killed by other means (and only about twice as high as the average number of people killed by lightning each year).

At least as far as murder is concerned, firearms still kills more than other methods combine and that's been happening over the last couple of years.

Thre's no disputing that. But, as far as murder is concerned, all methods have been on a steady decline over the last several years even in spite of things like the expiration of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. And out of the roughly 300 million guns in the United States, there are only about 8,500 annual gun homicides. If you exclude handguns from that, you have around 800 (only slightly higher than the number of people killed by bare hands) . These numbers are why I believe that pistols should be the primary concern of those who advocate for stronger gun control, but unfortunately, that rarely seems to be the case.

[Sociobiology]

Wanna hunt down a less biased source there, bud?

Sorry, but Big Jim P was in the front of the line first.

how about a source that actually knows something about statistics, because your "source" has no evidence to back up its claim. They fail to show that the averages differs more than the margin of error.
maybe if you had a link to the paper instead of the editorial we could find out.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Which really doesn't make much of an argument for restricting ownership among law abiding citizens.

It might if it means preventing legally purchased guns from going bad. And yes, it does happen. Adam Lanza is one good example.

[Sociobiology]

Sorry, but Big Jim P was in the front of the line first.

Not seeing the bias in his site. Not at all.

actually its just as bad, both being little more than unsourced editorials.

[Communist Volkstrad]

Personally, I like guns. I find them fascinating. We should restrict them from falling into the hands of the mentally ill and those who would cause harm with them, but there's no reason to restrict them from responsible gun owners. I'm especially opposed to restricting things based on inconsequential things such as 'Oh, this has a pistol grip and is a scary, black rifle!' when it is actually the exact thing as an old battered, wooden WW2 gun, the only difference being aesthetics.

[Big Jim P]

Wanna hunt down a less biased source there, bud?

Sorry, but Big Jim P was in the front of the line first.

Here you go. It even mentions Mother Jones, and absolute garbage source.

[Imperializt Russia]

Organizations such as the NRA are too hostile to compromise.

I think I kinda agree with you in that the NRA could be considered a bit extremist in their views. Personally, I don't really like the NRA even though I'm in favor of gun rights. But I feel like they're a necessary entity, because of opposition that can be equally extreme and nonsensical on the other end of the spectrum. So I guess as long as we have one side advocating that "The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," and the other side advocating that black rifles are fully-automatic murder machines, things'll kinda balance out.

Compared to mainstream political lobbies in Europe, particularly the UK, the NRA look like they're all on coke, PCP and heroin. At the same time.

[Kernen]

Which really doesn't make much of an argument for restricting ownership among law abiding citizens.

It might if it means preventing legally purchased guns from going bad. And yes, it does happen. Adam Lanza is one good example.

And it is treated the same as any other case of theft. Instances where it goes off the walls horrifically wrong, such as the case of Adam Lanza, are de minimis, as the current system is adequate for handing the majority of thefts, especially of firearms. I'm still struggling to see how that makes a case for limiting availability for law-abiding citizens.

Not seeing the bias in his site. Not at all.

actually its just as bad, both being little more than unsourced editorials.

I hadn't noticed. My apologies to both you and Appia, then. I was in error.

[Sevvania]

I think I kinda agree with you in that the NRA could be considered a bit extremist in their views. Personally, I don't really like the NRA even though I'm in favor of gun rights. But I feel like they're a necessary entity, because of opposition that can be equally extreme and nonsensical on the other end of the spectrum. So I guess as long as we have one side advocating that "The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," and the other side advocating that black rifles are fully-automatic murder machines, things'll kinda balance out.

Compared to mainstream political lobbies in Europe, particularly the UK, the NRA look like they're all on coke, PCP and heroin. At the same time.

And while that may be true in some instances, the opposition includes the Dianne Feinsteins ("Military assault weapons only have one purpose and in my opinion, it's for the military"), Carolyn McCarthys ("What's a barrel shroud and why should we regulate it?" "I believe it's a shoulder thing that goes up.", Rosa DeLauros ("Assault weapons are not about hunting, or even self-defense. There is no reason on earth, other than to kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible, that anyone needs a gun designed for a battlefield."), and Kevin de Leons ("This right here has the ability with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Thirty magazine clip in half a second."). Which really aren't any better when it comes to spewing fearmongering nonsense.