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Postby Organized States » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:04 pm

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Japan’s cabinet has approved a 4.98 trillion yen (approximately $42 billion) defense budget, the largest absolute sum allocated for defense in the country’s history. The defense budget marks the third straight year of increased defense spending and represents a 2.8 percent rise over Japan’s previous fiscal year. The change is consistent with other decisions regarding Japan’s defense made under the leadership of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP). Amid perceptions of an increasingly unstable East Asian region, with growing threats from a rising China and an unpredictable North Korea, Abe is eager to position Japan to practice what he describes as “proactive pacifism.”

In announcing the new defense budget, Japan’s new defense minister, Gen Nakatani, noted that the budget was necessary given the “changing situation” around Japan. ”The level of defense spending reflects the amount necessary to protect Japan’s air, sea, and land, and guard the lives and property of our citizens,” he added. Nakatani additionally accused China of engaging in “dangerous actions” that destabilized the regional situation. Beijing, in a statement released on Tuesday, noted that it “firmly opposed” the Japanese minister’s comments. Nakatani responded to China’s reaction later on Tuesday noting that this comments were based on actions by the Chinese People’s Liberation Army over the past few years, including radar locking onto a Japanese Self-Defense Forces ship and conducting dangerously close fly-bys of Japanese and other aircraft. He also noted China’s fast-growing defense budget, which rose 12.2 percent to $132 billion last year.

Under the new budget, Japan will purchase new patrol aircraft, early-warning aircraft, stealth fighters, and amphibious vehicles. These acquisitions will allow Japan to better patrol its relatively large maritime exclusive economic zone (EEZ) and prepare for a potential amphibious conflict. Japanese defense planning in recent years has emphasized amphibious landing operations for a potential island retake scenario. Japan and China remain locked in a dispute over the sovereignty of the Senkaku/Diaoyu islets in the East China Sea. Japan currently administers the island but China claims them, citing their historical status as Chinese territory before the First Sino-Japanese War.

The announcement of this defense budget could upset the ever-so-slight thaw process that has emerged between China and Japan. This process began in the last few months of 2014, as symbolized by an awkward handshake between President Xi Jinping and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe at the APEC Leader’s Summit in Beijing. Just before this budget was passed, Chinese and Japanese negotiators met to discuss the establishment of a military hotline to prevent unexpected escalation — ostensibly to prevent an isolated incident or accident from spiraling into a major conflict. Should a hotline be established between Tokyo and Beijing, their ships and aircraft would also agree to share a common radio frequency in the vicinity of the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands.

This new defense budget also anticipates the conclusion of a new set of defense cooperation guidelines for Japan and the United States. After Abe’s cabinet decided to reinterpret Article 9 of Japan’s post-war constitution to permit Japan’s Self-Defense Forces to participate in collective self-defense, the United States and Japan decided to update their defense relationship, emphasizing a more “global” role for the alliance. The United States, in general, is keen to see Japan carry a greater share of the burden of its own defense.

Japan’s increasing defense budgets also come at a time when its military industrial complex is looking to grow. Under Abe, Japan abandoned its post-war ban on selling arms and armaments to other nations. In the past two years, Japan has concluded or is in the process of negotiating defense contracts for arms exports or co-production with a variety of countries, including India, Australia, France, and the United Kingdom.

This record defense budget reveals Abe’s renewed political confidence after his victory in December’s snap election. As The Diplomat noted earlier last month, December’s snap election has left the Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) in a powerful position domestically. Despite growing economic malaise as “Abenomics” fizzles and the country’s public debt balloons, the cabinet felt confident in passing a defense budget that may seem profligate to economists, investors, and businesses.

The Japanese economy contracted 0.5 percent in 2014 and growth is forecast at 1.5 percent for the coming year. In order to successfully navigate this period of economic uncertainty and defibrillate the flatlining Japanese economy, the Abe administration will have to carefully manage public spending. Inevitably, an increase in defense spending will mandate cuts elsewhere or higher taxes for Japanese citizens and businesses.


Yup, that's right, JSDF is getting a massive budget surge, probably to counter China and North Korea along with paying for the modernization of the over-all force (such as the F-35A order and their own Stealth Fighter Program). This is coupled with the US-Japan discussion on JSDF acquiring offensive weapons like the Tomahawk Cruise Missile (from earlier this year).

So, what do you think NSG? A bad idea with Japan's slight fall in economic size? Justified to deal with the threat of North Korea and Chinese Assertiveness?
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:08 pm

An unfortunate sign of the times. China is growing increasingly aggressive, and budget cuts in the US have weakened our ally's confidence in us.

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Postby Jinwoy » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:25 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:An unfortunate sign of the times. China is growing increasingly aggressive, and budget cuts in the US have weakened our ally's confidence in us.


Oddly enough, I was thinking the same thing... but we now live in a time where the US has previously used its Global Projection to have its own, slightly more terrifying gunboat diplomacy (remember when they stationed nukes in Turkey, and then the Soviet Union responded by stationing nukes in Cuba?).
The US has used violence to keep the world under its slightly tyrannical grip, for better or worse, in the past, now that's the language the world knows - no one would've dreamed that Russia would invade Ukraine over a mostly ignored territorial dispute except for completely insane Republican conservatives (*coughes loudly*), but then here we are.

That being said, I only expect this to increase tensions in Asia. While I agree in part that this is a sign of a decline in US power, I see these tensions as part of an unresolved social conflict between Japan and China over World War 2, and to a lesser extent, antiquated Cold War, Red Scare-esque, nonensical worries. The US, for all its power and love of justice, don't resolve any tensions between Japan and China, and now its all returning like a bad cancer, and its only going to grow more tense as time goes on.
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Postby Scyobayrynn » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:30 pm

I dont know, but if it get shooty over their Im cheering for the Chinese.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:31 pm

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Mike the Progressive wrote:An unfortunate sign of the times. China is growing increasingly aggressive, and budget cuts in the US have weakened our ally's confidence in us.


Oddly enough, I was thinking the same thing... but we now live in a time where the US has previously used its Global Projection to have its own, slightly more terrifying gunboat diplomacy (remember when they stationed nukes in Turkey, and then the Soviet Union responded by stationing nukes in Cuba?).
The US has used violence to keep the world under its slightly tyrannical grip, for better or worse, in the past, now that's the language the world knows - no one would've dreamed that Russia would invade Ukraine over a mostly ignored territorial dispute except for completely insane Republican conservatives (*coughes loudly*), but then here we are.

That being said, I only expect this to increase tensions in Asia. While I agree in part that this is a sign of a decline in US power, I see these tensions as part of an unresolved social conflict between Japan and China over World War 2, and to a lesser extent, antiquated Cold War, Red Scare-esque, nonensical worries. The US, for all its power and love of justice, don't resolve any tensions between Japan and China, and now its all returning like a bad cancer, and its only going to grow more tense as time goes on.


The US has certainly acted aggressively and other nations have responded accordingly. But I don't see it as a sign of our decline (keep in mind this was also the mentality as the Vietnam war ended; the US had lost the battle but ended up winning the Cold War). Nor do I view the US as being a negative force in the world. It certainly has done many bad things. But it remains largely a force for good.

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Postby Shilya » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:34 pm

So, Japan gives its defense budget an inflation adjustment?
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Postby Connori Pilgrims » Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:41 pm

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Mike the Progressive wrote:An unfortunate sign of the times. China is growing increasingly aggressive, and budget cuts in the US have weakened our ally's confidence in us.


Oddly enough, I was thinking the same thing... but we now live in a time where the US has previously used its Global Projection to have its own, slightly more terrifying gunboat diplomacy (remember when they stationed nukes in Turkey, and then the Soviet Union responded by stationing nukes in Cuba?).
The US has used violence to keep the world under its slightly tyrannical grip, for better or worse, in the past, now that's the language the world knows - no one would've dreamed that Russia would invade Ukraine over a mostly ignored territorial dispute except for completely insane Republican conservatives (*coughes loudly*), but then here we are.

That being said, I only expect this to increase tensions in Asia. While I agree in part that this is a sign of a decline in US power, I see these tensions as part of an unresolved social conflict between Japan and China over World War 2, and to a lesser extent, antiquated Cold War, Red Scare-esque, nonensical worries. The US, for all its power and love of justice, don't resolve any tensions between Japan and China, and now its all returning like a bad cancer, and its only going to grow more tense as time goes on.


That's realpolitik for you.

Any discussions of good, evil, or right and wrong deserve to be left behind at kindergarten whenever one talks about nationstate politics. Its really all about zero-sum (or fine anything that's not 50-50) games between countries that for better or worse have to balance each other if they don't want to be taken advantage of (or if they want to be taken advantage of... I don't judge :p ). That, and the current guarantors of international cooperation - the UN - are not exactly at their strongest unfortunately, in addition to that declining confidence in US promises of protection (its there, even if it's not as drastic as some would believe it to be).

Also, not like the US could really do anything to soothe Chinese-Japanese tensions. Trying to mediate extensive, historical and deep-rooted tensions between two rather different cultural systems is very difficult especially if the third party is just as alien to the first two as each other. Also, the US method of mediation (which is rooted in money and is concerned mostly with the present problem with little if any consideration for local context) rarely works when the tensions aren't just about some rocks in the ocean but stretch back to decades or centuries of bad-blood.
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:04 am

That's a lot of defense...This will only inflame tensions in the Asian region. Do we have the beginnings of an Asian arms race?

However if there is one saving grace, unlike their fathers the younger generation of Chinese do not outright hate the Japanese or hate them to the previous extent. Hopefully after a generation or so all will be forgiven...
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What! No money earmarked for developing tachikomas, boo.
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Postby Marcurix » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:50 am

Shilya wrote:So, Japan gives its defense budget an inflation adjustment?


Isn't the country in deflation?
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Scyobayrynn wrote:I dont know, but if it get shooty over their Im cheering for the Chinese.
Never was a friend to Nippon.
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Japan is a democracy, admittedly not my favorite form of government, but a hundred times better than China.

Why are you so pissed at them?

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Postby Baltenstein » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:02 am

A kinda inevitable development, considering increased Chinese pressure on its neighbors. We are going to see the same development in Eastern Europe as well.
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Scyobayrynn wrote:I dont know, but if it get shooty over their Im cheering for the Chinese.
Never was a friend to Nippon.
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Japan is a democracy, admittedly not my favorite form of government, but a hundred times better than China.

Why are you so pissed at them?


Ever heard Nanjing. Funny thing is Japan refuses to acknowledge its existence.

"Nothing ever happened at Nanjing, it was just an incident". They have said that exact same rhetoric since their defeat and have refused to apologise, much to the anger of China.
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Japan is getting over the WWII guilt complex which is good. If China does something stupid Japan should punish them.

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Kantona wrote:Japan is getting over the WWII guilt complex which is good. If China does something stupid Japan should punish them.


Because Japan is so famous for having a WWII "guilt complex".
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Kantona wrote:Japan is getting over the WWII guilt complex which is good. If China does something stupid Japan should punish them.

"getting over" they never really had it to begin with
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Baltenstein wrote:
Kantona wrote:Japan is getting over the WWII guilt complex which is good. If China does something stupid Japan should punish them.


Because Japan is so famous for having a WWII "guilt complex".

Absolutely, whenever they were tring something like this there was always some who would say that Japan should think what it did in WWii. We are also waiting for Germany.

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Postby Alizeria » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:44 am

What?! This is dreadful! They're out to get us again! We should nuke them again to remind them why you don't mess with us!

No but seriously this makes perfect sense given that there is a serious risk to Japan's national security given the present state of the region.
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Scyobayrynn wrote:I dont know, but if it get shooty over their Im cheering for the Chinese.
Never was a friend to Nippon.
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I wouldn't cheer for long, the PLA is a shit fighting force. The two things they'll be able to do is sustain manpower attrition and fight dug-in defence.
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Because Japan is so famous for having a WWII "guilt complex".

Absolutely, whenever they were tring something like this there was always some who would say that Japan should think what it did in WWii. We are also waiting for Germany.

Germany, even with its post-unification treaty limits, is one of the strongest fighting forces and military production centres in Europe.
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Scyobayrynn wrote:I dont know, but if it get shooty over their Im cheering for the Chinese.
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I wouldn't cheer for long, the PLA is a shit fighting force. The two things they'll be able to do is sustain manpower attrition and fight dug-in defence.
Kantona wrote:Absolutely, whenever they were tring something like this there was always some who would say that Japan should think what it did in WWii. We are also waiting for Germany.

Germany, even with its post-unification treaty limits, is one of the strongest fighting forces and military production centres in Europe.


Germany has a strong fighting force? :rofl:
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Imperializt Russia wrote:I wouldn't cheer for long, the PLA is a shit fighting force. The two things they'll be able to do is sustain manpower attrition and fight dug-in defence.
Germany, even with its post-unification treaty limits, is one of the strongest fighting forces and military production centres in Europe.


Germany has a strong fighting force? :rofl:

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Scyobayrynn wrote:I dont know, but if it get shooty over their Im cheering for the Chinese.
Never was a friend to Nippon.
But hey, I hold a grudge.


Japan is a democracy, admittedly not my favorite form of government, but a hundred times better than China.

Why are you so pissed at them?

A herculean effort at genocide, rape on a scale that disturbed officers of the SS, a systemic belief in the racial and cultural superiority of their people over those of the world, the fact that the underlying roots of these things were never addressed in Nippon, and to this day it is exquisitely racist, on a scale and in a fashion that the average American at least can't even begin to grasp.

But hey, they make anime and oooohhhhh ebil communism.

Democracy is a get of jail free card right. I mean sure, that whole War Constitution thing, nobody in Nippon wants to see that go.

ohhh hey! Pokemon, got to catch them all, and the Chinese and Koreans arent reaaaallly complete human beings.
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Teemant wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:I wouldn't cheer for long, the PLA is a shit fighting force. The two things they'll be able to do is sustain manpower attrition and fight dug-in defence.
Germany, even with its post-unification treaty limits, is one of the strongest fighting forces and military production centres in Europe.


Germany has a strong fighting force? :rofl:

Second largest not-Russian tank force in Europe? I think the Poles actually have more serviceable tanks than the Russians do.
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It's also the home of the Leopard 2, one of the most capable modern western battle tanks. The German tank concern Krauss-Maffei recently merged with French company Nexter (formerly GIAT - the French tank concern, constructor of the Leclerc, another of the west's most capable battle tanks) and is considering an all-new Leopard 3 tank design process.
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Imperializt Russia wrote:
Scyobayrynn wrote:I dont know, but if it get shooty over their Im cheering for the Chinese.
Never was a friend to Nippon.
But hey, I hold a grudge.

I wouldn't cheer for long, the PLA is a shit fighting force. The two things they'll be able to do is sustain manpower attrition and fight dug-in defence.
Kantona wrote:Absolutely, whenever they were tring something like this there was always some who would say that Japan should think what it did in WWii. We are also waiting for Germany.

Germany, even with its post-unification treaty limits, is one of the strongest fighting forces and military production centres in Europe.

You are clearly verrry familiar with the PLA. I will make sure to defer to you and your extensive knowledge for all questions I have about military matters, expect my call on the 32nd of every month, shortly after I set myself on fire.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:57 am

Scyobayrynn wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:I wouldn't cheer for long, the PLA is a shit fighting force. The two things they'll be able to do is sustain manpower attrition and fight dug-in defence.
Germany, even with its post-unification treaty limits, is one of the strongest fighting forces and military production centres in Europe.

You are clearly verrry familiar with the PLA. I will make sure to defer to you and your extensive knowledge for all questions I have about military matters, expect my call on the 32nd of every month, shortly after I set myself on fire.

The PLA has outdated battle tanks, low mechanisation, outdated combat aircraft, outdated naval vessels, outdated air defences, outdated coastal defences, zero amphibious capability and no present carrier capability.
The limit of their present capability is to fight a dug-in defence of the Chinese mainland by massing their coastal and air defences, and making use of their excellent coverage of the China seas with aircraft, or maybe bolster the Norks again.
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