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China activates Grinch mode, bans Christmas

Postby Baltenstein » Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:39 am

You remember how in some over the top saturday morning cartoons the villains would have the malicious plan of doing away with Christmas? In some parts of China, officials have come up with this:

(Reuters) - A university in northwestern China has banned Christmas, calling it a "kitsch" foreign celebration unbefitting of the country's own traditions and making its students watch propaganda films instead, media said on Thursday.

The state-run Beijing News said that the Modern College of Northwest University, located in Xian, had strung up banners around the campus reading "Strive to be outstanding sons and daughters of China, oppose kitsch Western holidays" and "Resist the expansion of Western culture".

A student told the newspaper that they would be punished if they did not attend a mandatory three-hour screening of propaganda films, which other students said included one about Confucius, with teachers standing guard to stop people leaving.

"There's nothing we can do about it, we can't escape," the student was quoted as saying.

An official microblog belonging to one of the university's Communist Party's committees posted comments calling for students not to "fawn on foreigners" and pay more attention to China's holidays, like Spring Festival.

"In recent years, more and more Chinese have started to attach importance to Western festivals," it wrote.

"In their eyes, the West is more developed than China, and they think that their holidays are more elegant than ours, even that Western festivals are very fashionable and China's traditional festivals are old fashioned."

Christmas is not a traditional festival in officially atheist China but is growing in popularity, especially in more metropolitan areas where young people go out to celebrate, give gifts and decorate their homes.

Western culture, particularly in the form of U.S. pop culture, is wildly popular with young, educated Chinese, which occasionally causes discomfort for the generally quite conservative ruling Communist Party.

Wenzhou, a city in the wealthy eastern province of Zhejiang, has banned all Christmas activities in schools and kindergartens, the official Xinhua news agency reported. Inspectors would make sure rules are enforced, it added.

The rules are meant to counteract an "obsession" with Western holidays at the expense of Chinese ones, an official at the city's education bureau told Xinhua.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/ ... 2S20141225

I see this as the state's nervousness over Christianity's increasing popularity in China (to my knowledge, Christians now outnumber Communist Party members in China), done with all the subtlety you would expect from an authoritarian police state.
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Postby Purpelia » Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:40 am

A university in northwestern China has banned Christmas, calling it a "kitsch" foreign celebration unbefitting of the country's own traditions and making its students watch propaganda films instead, media said on Thursday.

Emphasis mine. How you leaped from one university in one city to the whole of China is astounding.

And besides. Quite frankly why shouldn't they ban these activities from educational facilities? These facilities are meant for education, not celebration. School is not supposed to be a place where you socialize. It's a place where you sit down, shut up and study.
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Postby Gigaverse » Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:42 am

Baltenstein wrote:I see this as the state's nervousness over Christianity's increasing popularity in China (to my knowledge, Christians now outnumber Communist Party members in China), done with all the subtlety you would expect from an authoritarian police state.

But... aren't there a LOT of members of the Party?
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Postby Mundiferrum » Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:44 am

Purpelia wrote:School is not supposed to be a place where you socialize. It's a place where you sit down, shut up and study.

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Seriously, since most kids are forced into school for about half of their waking hours per week, schools become the only place a lot of kids can socialize, or at least get their start on making some friends. But anyway
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:45 am

Purpelia wrote:
A university in northwestern China has banned Christmas, calling it a "kitsch" foreign celebration unbefitting of the country's own traditions and making its students watch propaganda films instead, media said on Thursday.

Emphasis mine. How you leaped from one university in one city to the whole of China is astounding.

And besides. Quite frankly why shouldn't they ban these activities from educational facilities? These facilities are meant for education, not celebration. School is not supposed to be a place where you socialize. It's a place where you sit down, shut up and study.

A university in a western province, and a city in an eastern province.

Border to border, man.
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Postby Baltenstein » Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:50 am

Purpelia wrote:
A university in northwestern China has banned Christmas, calling it a "kitsch" foreign celebration unbefitting of the country's own traditions and making its students watch propaganda films instead, media said on Thursday.

Emphasis mine. How you leaped from one university in one city to the whole of China is astounding.


Obviously, I exaggerated a bit to make for a catchy title. :p

But as Imperializt Russia said, the main issue about this is that it was an official state decision.

And besides. Quite frankly why shouldn't they ban these activities from educational facilities? These facilities are meant for education, not celebration. School is not supposed to be a place where you socialize. It's a place where you sit down, shut up and study.


Thankfully, that's not how schools in most countries work.
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Postby Alizeria » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:04 am

What disturbs me here isn't the idea of Christmas being banned, or even of a state-sanctioned ban (because that isn't what happened at all, title was misleading as hell).

What I do admit disturbs me is the notion of students at a university being forced by teachers to attend three-hour screenings of propaganda films, with teachers blocking the doors should they leave.

At university, firstly, you are an adult - this sort of treatment would barely be acceptable in Secondary or Primary school.

Secondly, even in a totalitarian regime like China, universities ought to be a place of freedom of thought and expression - so to have a group, be it the faculty or the Communist Party within the university - attempting to suppress opposing viewpoints or force people to examine their's against their will runs antithetical to the purpose of education, especially higher education.

This sort of behaviour, whether sanctioned by the faculty of the university, or merely being the actions of a group of communists, is exemplary of the kind of behaviour we have come to expect from such people - the idea of using force and suppression to spread a doctrine.
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Postby Ieperithem » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:08 am

Purpelia wrote:
A university in northwestern China has banned Christmas, calling it a "kitsch" foreign celebration unbefitting of the country's own traditions and making its students watch propaganda films instead, media said on Thursday.

Emphasis mine. How you leaped from one university in one city to the whole of China is astounding.

And besides. Quite frankly why shouldn't they ban these activities from educational facilities? These facilities are meant for education, not celebration. School is not supposed to be a place where you socialize. It's a place where you sit down, shut up and study.


I think you missed this part: "and making its students watch propaganda films instead"

Either that, or you're intentionally ignoring something that invalidates your worldview.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:19 am

Alizeria wrote:What disturbs me here isn't the idea of Christmas being banned, or even of a state-sanctioned ban (because that isn't what happened at all, title was misleading as hell).

What I do admit disturbs me is the notion of students at a university being forced by teachers to attend three-hour screenings of propaganda films, with teachers blocking the doors should they leave.

At university, firstly, you are an adult - this sort of treatment would barely be acceptable in Secondary or Primary school.

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This sort of behaviour, whether sanctioned by the faculty of the university, or merely being the actions of a group of communists, is exemplary of the kind of behaviour we have come to expect from such people - the idea of using force and suppression to spread a doctrine.

Do remember what country this is.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:24 am

Purpelia wrote:
A university in northwestern China has banned Christmas, calling it a "kitsch" foreign celebration unbefitting of the country's own traditions and making its students watch propaganda films instead, media said on Thursday.

Emphasis mine. How you leaped from one university in one city to the whole of China is astounding.

And besides. Quite frankly why shouldn't they ban these activities from educational facilities? These facilities are meant for education, not celebration. School is not supposed to be a place where you socialize. It's a place where you sit down, shut up and study.


Actually, school is a place where you learn valuable life skills. Educational achievement merely a distraction.
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Baltenstein wrote:Obviously, I exaggerated a bit to make for a catchy title. :p


Misleading titles to threads annoy the hell out of me. They pretty much screw any discussion.
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Postby Mefpan » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:32 am

Ah, yes. The evils of globalization. How dare the Chinese people adopt a formerly religious festival now focusing mainly on wasting money on gifts for their friends and family and much pointless yet every now and then strangely endearing decorations.

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Imperializt Russia wrote:
Alizeria wrote:What disturbs me here isn't the idea of Christmas being banned, or even of a state-sanctioned ban (because that isn't what happened at all, title was misleading as hell).

What I do admit disturbs me is the notion of students at a university being forced by teachers to attend three-hour screenings of propaganda films, with teachers blocking the doors should they leave.

At university, firstly, you are an adult - this sort of treatment would barely be acceptable in Secondary or Primary school.

Secondly, even in a totalitarian regime like China, universities ought to be a place of freedom of thought and expression - so to have a group, be it the faculty or the Communist Party within the university - attempting to suppress opposing viewpoints or force people to examine their's against their will runs antithetical to the purpose of education, especially higher education.

This sort of behaviour, whether sanctioned by the faculty of the university, or merely being the actions of a group of communists, is exemplary of the kind of behaviour we have come to expect from such people - the idea of using force and suppression to spread a doctrine.

Do remember what country this is.


I do remember what country this is. And not everywhere in China is like this. I mean, we all know the country has a long way to go, but the trend recently has been one of liberalisation.
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Postby Baltenstein » Thu Dec 25, 2014 4:57 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:Obviously, I exaggerated a bit to make for a catchy title. :p


Misleading titles to threads annoy the hell out of me. They pretty much screw any discussion.


The title is not technically incorrect - the Chinese state did ban the celebration of Christmas - in particular regions/education facilities.

Anyways, you're not forced to participate in the discussion.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:05 am

Purpelia wrote:
A university in northwestern China has banned Christmas, calling it a "kitsch" foreign celebration unbefitting of the country's own traditions and making its students watch propaganda films instead, media said on Thursday.

Emphasis mine. How you leaped from one university in one city to the whole of China is astounding.

And besides. Quite frankly why shouldn't they ban these activities from educational facilities? These facilities are meant for education, not celebration. School is not supposed to be a place where you socialize. It's a place where you sit down, shut up and study.

What pile of horse shit is this?

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Purpelia wrote:Emphasis mine. How you leaped from one university in one city to the whole of China is astounding.

And besides. Quite frankly why shouldn't they ban these activities from educational facilities? These facilities are meant for education, not celebration. School is not supposed to be a place where you socialize. It's a place where you sit down, shut up and study.

What pile of horse shit is this?

Well basically school is a place where most children are interned for most of their days. At least a third of it. So it dominates a huge portion of their time and thus their social interaction and education. In other words, what ever children learn about how to act, think, feel and behave in school is going to massively shape what kind of people they grow up to become. So it is only natural that schools should be a controlled environment used to make bloody sure those children grow up to become productive members of society. It's serious business and not some sort of game.
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Postby Mefpan » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:10 am

Purpelia wrote:School is not supposed to be a place where you socialize. It's a place where you sit down, shut up and study.

B-but socialisming with other people makes study easier.
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Purpelia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:What pile of horse shit is this?

Well basically school is a place where most children are interned for most of their days. At least a third of it. So it dominates a huge portion of their time and thus their social interaction and education. In other words, what ever children learn about how to act, think, feel and behave in school is going to massively shape what kind of people they grow up to become. So it is only natural that schools should be a controlled environment used to make bloody sure those children grow up to become productive members of society. It's serious business and not some sort of game.

But banning taking a day off? That's just too much. Besides, why the hell is the Chinese government indoctrinating its students? That certainly is a biased education.

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Postby Vaspostan » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:23 am

Well it is their country, and the ruling party is free to run it how they want, just like how we do with our fictitious nations.

The flip side is that theirs is real, and their citizens can rise against them, but will likely be shut down like in the 80s.
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Postby Purpelia » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:34 am

Zunkwentania wrote:But banning taking a day off? That's just too much.

Is it really? In a society that has its own holidays and festivals does it not make sense to ban ones in favor of others? Do you get a day off for the Chinese new year? How about holidays of other religions like say Ramadan? Or do you have to go attend class? That's all they are doing here.

Besides, why the hell is the Chinese government indoctrinating its students? That certainly is a biased education.

Because that is what you do with education. Children are nothing more than untrained animals. And you need to train them in order to make them people. Indoctrination is just a sinister word for training that people use when they want to make something as usual as teaching people how to behave sound evil.
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Postby Meridiani Planum » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:04 am

China's concern regarding foreign influences sounds so French.
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:25 am

'Parts' of China has banned Christmas. Generally limited to provinces and institutions.

It's true that China has a big cultural fear and an extensive campaign to root out things which, depending on the situation, either does not jive with the east or the wishes of their government. Extending more to the religious under the current pinhead.

That's not to say that this is a full scale thing yet, you'll even find the same watering down/reformation/removal in the west.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:29 am

Purpelia wrote:
A university in northwestern China has banned Christmas, calling it a "kitsch" foreign celebration unbefitting of the country's own traditions and making its students watch propaganda films instead, media said on Thursday.

Emphasis mine. How you leaped from one university in one city to the whole of China is astounding.

And besides. Quite frankly why shouldn't they ban these activities from educational facilities? These facilities are meant for education, not celebration. School is not supposed to be a place where you socialize. It's a place where you sit down, shut up and study.


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Postby Risottia » Thu Dec 25, 2014 6:30 am

China complaining about kitsch? Whaaat?
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