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Desu Reich
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Postby Desu Reich » Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:48 pm

What is you guys' real-life political ideologies?
Please describe in some detail how it is better than the others, and hopefully we can get some discourse and perhaps see issues in a different light.
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Despite this score I have a lot of leftist and liberal stances, pro-choice, pro-equality, universal healthcare, marijuana-legalization, environmental control, free speech, etc.
My grief with liberalism is mostly that it puts too much trust in humanity, as black friday has shown people are stupid and unfit to be left alone.
My grief with socialism is mostly that it pretends to be for justice and equality but wants to tax talented and successful people to oblivion.
My grief with conservatism is mostly that it restricts freedom in victimless crimes and often puts faith before facts.
My grief with lassiez-capitalism is mostly that it allows corporations to get away with things that affect everyone, like destroying the environment.
My grief with centrism is mostly that it doesn't really stand for anything.
So I guess I disagree with everyone.

Based on the responses I have gotten so far I will start to compile a list of different stances and arguments for and against them.
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Fascism advocates the power of the state and that it will act in the best interest of the nation as a whole. Fascism is neither a left-wing or right- wing ideology, it instead merges the best of both systems (the self- motivation and free market advocated by capitalists, and the basic rights and access to resources as supported by socialists.) I am against the redistribution of wealth since it is unfair for someone who has worked harder and contributed more to society to be forced to give up their earnings.
Businesses can do as they please as long as there are health and safety regulations for workers, no monopolies, jobs are not sent overseas, and the business does not seek to gain a profit off of immorality (slavery and pornography would be illegal, for example.) As long as they above criteria are met, the company can do what it wants.
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The army need not be so large as we suppose, but the actual answer relies on philosopher John Rawls' notion of overlapping consensus. We need not share every, or even most, identities, in order to believe in the same large-order goal.
Republic of Coldwater wrote:I believe in free markets, laissez-faire and low taxes. I also oppose the government holding debt or having deficits. I support rolling back Dodd Frank, ObamaCare and other laws that are regulatory, sustain monopolies or prevent unlimited, unregulated competition between private companies to ensure that costs will be driven down, and quality increased through competition. I also support privatizing most government services in a realistic world (healthcare, welfare, education, infrastructure etc.) and in an ideal world, privatizing everything into numerous businesses to let them freely compete in a free market to keep costs down.
I oppose any laws on drugs, and supporting legalizing all substances on the grounds of property rights.
I am also pro-life, given that abortion is basically the unneeded murder of a child and that there are choices, such as adoption for those who cannot afford another child.
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Eagalya
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Postby Eagalya » Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:50 pm

Broadly speaking: Strong supporter of liberal democracy and universal human rights. Rational theist. Progressive. Pro-free market. Interventionist-internationalist.

Again, broadly speaking as to why it is best, with regard to the first bit:
- Universal human rights: Recognition of self-evident truths regarding equality and liberty, with morality and justice based on this.
- Liberal democracy: Most certainly evidently the best form of government (the least flawed).
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Postby Togeria » Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:51 pm

Liberal socialism, or anything that supports the people.
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Postby Dei Terrare » Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:53 pm

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Desu Reich
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Postby Desu Reich » Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:57 pm

There seems to be a lot of liberals on the internet, probably because liberals are in general more open-minded and ready to expose themselves to other people, but from a conservative point of view, how would liberalism deal with:
1. Crime - Does surveillance work, should police be armed? Why or why not?
2. War - In a liberal society, how would a large disciplined army be raised from a diverse population without coercion?
3. Guns - The pro-gun stance is inherently liberal/libertarian, but compared to countries with more gun control the U.S has a high murder rate.

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Communist Volkstrad
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Postby Communist Volkstrad » Mon Dec 22, 2014 4:57 pm

I've been described by others as a "Libertarian Socialist". Still checking out all the various branches of Socialism, so when I finish with that I might identify with some other form of Socialism.
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Postby Conscentia » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:00 pm

Desu Reich wrote:What is you guys' real-life political ideologies?
Please describe in some detail how it is better than the others, and hopefully we can get some discourse and perhaps see issues in a different light.

How about you describe how yours is better, OP?
The deal on NSG is that the opening poster provides what they request from others when making a thread.

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Postby The Alexanderians » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:01 pm

Heavy supporter of civil liberties, civil rights, I own a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I am also a Centrist, LGBT supporter, Gun rights supporter, in favor of religious freedom and respect of other religions (after being ridiculed for mine I WILL NOT stand for another's being mocked), I also support non-malicious nationalism and cultural autonomy (Scottish independence, the Ukrainian Rebels, And I'd prefer it if Crimea was independent though Russia owning it is preferable to Ukraine owning it, and I'm against the EU but not the countries that make it up)
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Postby Kumuri » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:01 pm

I'm a really left-wing something. This is basically how I feel about property. Take from that what you will.
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The Modern Roman Republic
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Postby The Modern Roman Republic » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:01 pm

My ideology is Conservative, Nationalistic, semi-fascist (economically), pro-gun, pro-gay marriage, pro-freedoms, imperialist, militarist, EXTREMELY ANTI-COMMUNIST, and we have a representative republican form of government.
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Postby Highever » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:02 pm

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92

Mostly a social democracy advocate, and very liberal.
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Postby Kumuri » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:03 pm

The Modern Roman Republic wrote:My ideology is Conservative, Nationalistic, semi-fascist (economically), pro-gun, pro-gay marriage, pro-freedoms, imperialist, militarist, EXTREMELY ANTI-COMMUNIST, and we have a representative republican form of government.

That's funny because when I first saw this post, the lines of text lined up funny so it looked like it said
The Modern Roman Republic wrote:My ideology is
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Postby Republic of Libanon » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:03 pm

Christian Democracy, National-Conservatism, Right-Wing populism, Economic liberalism, Liberal-Conservatism, Nationalism
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New Kvenland
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Postby New Kvenland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:04 pm

It's complicated, and basically its own ideology, but can be best described as liberal centrism.
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Neo Rome Republic
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:06 pm

I don't feel like going too much into it right now. All I can tell you, is that all my political views can be found in my signature. With my own political ideology I dubbed "National Sonacism", along with my social and religious views. Information on all those is in my signature.
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This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
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Postby Christian Pacific » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:07 pm

Gib Christian democracy!

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:08 pm

Vicious anti-nationalist, a Voluntaryist-Humanist mix, and an anarchist without adjectives.
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Middle C
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Postby Middle C » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:09 pm

Classical fascism (that is to say fascism on paper according to D'Annunzio and Gentile, as opposed to Mussolini's Nazi-appeasement) and direct democracy.

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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:10 pm

I believe we have far too many threads on this topic.
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Neo Rome Republic
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:11 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:I believe we have far too many threads on this topic.

You are correct. We really do. I mean, I like to write things that are reflective, but it all seems too much, even for me.
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Ethical and Metaphysical: (Pan) Humanist and Naturalist.
Political Views Sum: Centrist on social issues, Market Socialist on economic, and Radical Civic universalist on political governance.
This nation DOES(for most part) represent my OOC views.
''A rich man complaining about regulation and taxes, is like the drunkard at a party, complaining about not having enough to drink.'',

"An empty mind is a mind without a filter, the mind of a gullible fool. A closed mind is the mind unwilling to look at the reality outside its bubble. An open mind is one that is cautious, flexible yet balanced; looking at both the reality and the possibility."
OOC Info Page Pros And Cons Political Ideology

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Czechostan
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Postby Czechostan » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:11 pm

I'm a democratic socialist heavily influenced by Rosa Luxemburg.
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Postby Welskerland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:13 pm

I am a fascist. However, I am against superiority based on race, religion, language, etc. I also absolutely detest Nazis, more than I do Communists.

Prior to Hitler and the National Socialists, fascism had nothing to do with racism. Fascism promoted nationalism based on citizenship. I am white, you are black, she is Muslim, and he is a homosexual, but we are all citizens of the State. I am also for immigration as long as people come legally and contribute to society.

Fascism advocates the power of the state and that it will act in the best interest of the nation as a whole. Fascism is neither a left-wing or right- wing ideology, it instead merges the best of both systems (the self- motivation and free market advocated by capitalists, and the basic rights and access to resources as supported by socialists.) I am against the redistribution of wealth since it is unfair for someone who has worked harder and contributed more to society to be forced to give up their earnings.

Businesses can do as they please as long as there are health and safety regulations for workers, no monopolies, jobs are not sent overseas, and the business does not seek to gain a profit off of immorality (slavery and pornography would be illegal, for example.) As long as they above criteria are met, the company can do what it wants.
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New Kvenland
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby New Kvenland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:14 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:I believe we have far too many threads on this topic.


I agree with you there.
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Preussen-Deutschland
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Postby Preussen-Deutschland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:14 pm

I am Conservative, Nationalist, pro-military, pro-freedoms, pro-gay marriage, anti-communist, somewhat pro-fascist, anti-racism, pro-gun, anti-illegal immigration, and we have a representative form of government.
Pro: Conservatism, economic Fascism, gun rights, Nationalism, gay marriage, Militarism, Imperialism, representative government

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Postby Preussen-Deutschland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:15 pm

Welskerland wrote:I am a fascist. However, I am against superiority based on race, religion, language, etc. I also absolutely detest Nazis, more than I do Communists.

Prior to Hitler and the National Socialists, fascism had nothing to do with racism. Fascism promoted nationalism based on citizenship. I am white, you are black, she is Muslim, and he is a homosexual, but we are all citizens of the State. I am also for immigration as long as people come legally and contribute to society.

Fascism advocates the power of the state and that it will act in the best interest of the nation as a whole. Fascism is neither a left-wing or right- wing ideology, it instead merges the best of both systems (the self- motivation and free market advocated by capitalists, and the basic rights and access to resources as supported by socialists.) I am against the redistribution of wealth since it is unfair for someone who has worked harder and contributed more to society to be forced to give up their earnings.

Businesses can do as they please as long as there are health and safety regulations for workers, no monopolies, jobs are not sent overseas, and the business does not seek to gain a profit off of immorality (slavery and pornography would be illegal, for example.) As long as they above criteria are met, the company can do what it wants.

As much as I don't like the Nazis, the Communists were worse. They are leftist scum.
Pro: Conservatism, economic Fascism, gun rights, Nationalism, gay marriage, Militarism, Imperialism, representative government

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