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[NEW Draft!] Commend The Black Riders

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Do you support this proposal?

I support it
36
36%
I'd support it with some changes (please elaborate)
1
1%
I do not support it (please elaborate)
62
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Total votes : 99

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Nohbdy
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Postby Nohbdy » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:46 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
The Fair Republic wrote:No, what happened recently doesn't mean that TBR past is automatically forgiven. They still invaded helpless regions


What? Forgiven for what? What does this have to do with the proposal to Commend The Black Riders for their valuable contributions to gameplay?

My question is, do we still give the region a shiny medal for the actions of people not in the region anymore?

Macedon is condemned, and they barely any of its residents are the originals.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:46 pm

Nohbdy wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
What? Forgiven for what? What does this have to do with the proposal to Commend The Black Riders for their valuable contributions to gameplay?

My question is, do we still give the region a shiny medal for the actions of people not in the region anymore?

Macedon is condemned, and they barely any of its residents are the originals.

Macedon has a single resident - the founder.
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Postby Nohbdy » Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:58 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Nohbdy wrote:Macedon is condemned, and they barely any of its residents are the originals.

Macedon has a single resident - the founder.

Oops, I was looking at the wrong region. Still, non of the original members are in it, yet it is still condemned.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:00 pm

Nohbdy wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Macedon has a single resident - the founder.

Oops, I was looking at the wrong region. Still, non of the original members are in it, yet it is still condemned.

Macedon, Macedonia...they're both puppet dumps anyway.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:03 pm

Nohbdy wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
What? Forgiven for what? What does this have to do with the proposal to Commend The Black Riders for their valuable contributions to gameplay?

My question is, do we still give the region a shiny medal for the actions of people not in the region anymore?

Macedon is condemned, and they barely any of its residents are the originals.


When Macedon was Condemned, it was still inhabited by the "originals" no?

But you are seeking to Commend a region after almost everyone who did anything mentioned in the Commendation has left.

Were Macedon not Condemned, would you Condemn Macedon now for the actions of the past?
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:04 pm

Wonder how many people will ready the title and vote for this because they think it's applauding the new government.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:05 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:Wonder how many people will ready the title and vote for this because they think it's applauding the new government.


Probably as many people as will read the title wrong and think it's a Condemnation of TBR.
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Postby Nohbdy » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:10 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Nohbdy wrote:Macedon is condemned, and they barely any of its residents are the originals.


When Macedon was Condemned, it was still inhabited by the "originals" no?

But you are seeking to Commend a region after almost everyone who did anything mentioned in the Commendation has left.

Were Macedon not Condemned, would you Condemn Macedon now for the actions of the past?

Yes, as long as I had access to information on it.
Kaboomlandia wrote:Wonder how many people will ready the title and vote for this because they think it's applauding the new government.

While I'm hoping that isn't what ends up happening, I am curious to see if people are actually paying attention.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:59 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:Wonder how many people will ready the title and vote for this because they think it's applauding the new government.

While I'm hoping that isn't what ends up happening, I am curious to see if people are actually paying attention.[/quote]
Then you have to get this through the lemmings.
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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:13 pm

The lemmings you happen to be counting on for your shitty repeal? :roll:
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:17 pm

Nohbdy wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
When Macedon was Condemned, it was still inhabited by the "originals" no?

But you are seeking to Commend a region after almost everyone who did anything mentioned in the Commendation has left.

Were Macedon not Condemned, would you Condemn Macedon now for the actions of the past?

Yes, as long as I had access to information on it.
Kaboomlandia wrote:Wonder how many people will ready the title and vote for this because they think it's applauding the new government.

While I'm hoping that isn't what ends up happening, I am curious to see if people are actually paying attention.


And while we're at it, we might as well draft up "Condemn Lazarus" for the actions of Stujenske's government, right?

Or how about we dig up information on every region that ever did anything Commendable/Condemnable, and write up Commendation/Condemnations on them regardless of whether the people responsible are still there.

We can start by Commending the Atheist Empire and DEN for the actions of TBR, as discussed in this resolution!
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:21 pm

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:The lemmings you happen to be counting on for your shitty repeal? :roll:

Doesn't everyone count on the lemmings?
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Postby Vrolondia » Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:21 pm

We Are Not the NSA wrote:The World Assembly,
Recognizing The Black Riders as one of the most well known military institutions in the world,

Times change, DEN was well known then fell into obscurity, Macedonia was well known then fell into obscurity, TBH were well known then fell into obscurity until recently.

What makes TBR any different?

We Are Not the NSA wrote:Noting The Black Riders’s policy of unbiased participation, allowing nations of almost any ideology or religion to participate in regional affairs, as long as they are respectful to others,

TBR regularly taunted and tormented the occupation targets. So that "respect" only goes as far as other members of TBR
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Lauding The Black Riders’s endorsement of democracy when electing World Assembly Delegates,

TBR never had a world assembly delegate, so unless you're talking about Delegates of occupied regions you've lost me
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Applauding The Black Riders’s participation in the liberation of Nazi Europe from Fascist forces,

Not really an achievement, Nazi Europe was fairly hated for imperialism
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Observing their efforts to refound founderless regions, such as DEN, Islamic Revolution of Iran, Angola, Internet, Charon, Whitereach, K and J Alliance, The Silver Isles, Region of Reunited Muslim States, Ixnay, and many others,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Attesting to The Black Riders’s contribution to other large founderless regions by bringing them into international relevance through occupations that do not end in refoundings, for instance in the regions SPACE, Anarchy and The Mountains to the East,

Nobody wanted you there, and the natives suffered immensely. Again, not an achievement
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Acknowledging the large amount of time and effort that must be put into tagging, occupations, and refounds,

And nobody cares because at the end of the day it only helps TBR at the cost of the international community
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Appalled that The Black Riders’s region is constantly bombarded by insults and slander,

Golly gee, I wonder why they're hated so much? You know, besides the constant tag raiding, griefing, and now illegal recruiting by not one, but two high ranking individuals in the organization.
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Interjecting that Defender regions have been commended for their organization and success, despite that fact that The Black Riders has just as much, if not more, organization and success than them,

The only people you've helped have been yourself, and you used that success to hurt people.
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Realizing that this very council has commended self proclaimed “Defenders” for actions that would not have been possible without the existence of The Black Riders,

Nobody wanted you there to muck things up to begin with... That's like saying the Allies are wonderful people because they fought the Germans in WW2, but they wouldn't have had too if the Germans weren't imperialistic nutjobs.
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Stressing the fact that a large of number of resolutions passed by this Security Council, which acts as a symbol of international peace and diplomacy, would not exist without the extensive efforts of The Black Riders,

Unwanted efforts*
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Pointing out that many Defender regions have been commended for their actions, yet they have failed to stop, or even significantly slow down The Black Riders, showing this council’s corrupt bias against institutions like The Black Riders,

Not corrupt bias. Your region has done nothing to deserve a commendation. They historically hate Roleplay, and Gameplay wise they exist purely to ruin everyone elses experience.

Do something worth commending, then try again.

...Oh, wait. Your founder and marshal are DOS for illegal recruiting, and your region is being occupied by everyone you've pissed off by doing what your trying to be commended for.

I guess that's out forever then, huh.
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:42 pm

lol at this proposal.
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Postby Dayorus » Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:13 pm

When I saw this proposal, I laughed.
Yes, laughed.
However, in due consideration, I believe that TBR would consider a commendation an insult.
If you examine their reaction to removing their condemnation... :p
So... I have NO IDEA on what to think of this. Should I complement them, for they take this as an insult...?
Should I insult them.......?
What is going on........? :unsure:

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Postby Dayorus » Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:16 pm

Vrolondia wrote:
We Are Not the NSA wrote:The World Assembly,
Recognizing The Black Riders as one of the most well known military institutions in the world,

Times change, DEN was well known then fell into obscurity, Macedonia was well known then fell into obscurity, TBH were well known then fell into obscurity until recently.

What makes TBR any different?

We Are Not the NSA wrote:Noting The Black Riders’s policy of unbiased participation, allowing nations of almost any ideology or religion to participate in regional affairs, as long as they are respectful to others,

TBR regularly taunted and tormented the occupation targets. So that "respect" only goes as far as other members of TBR
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Lauding The Black Riders’s endorsement of democracy when electing World Assembly Delegates,

TBR never had a world assembly delegate, so unless you're talking about Delegates of occupied regions you've lost me
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Applauding The Black Riders’s participation in the liberation of Nazi Europe from Fascist forces,

Not really an achievement, Nazi Europe was fairly hated for imperialism
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Observing their efforts to refound founderless regions, such as DEN, Islamic Revolution of Iran, Angola, Internet, Charon, Whitereach, K and J Alliance, The Silver Isles, Region of Reunited Muslim States, Ixnay, and many others,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Attesting to The Black Riders’s contribution to other large founderless regions by bringing them into international relevance through occupations that do not end in refoundings, for instance in the regions SPACE, Anarchy and The Mountains to the East,

Nobody wanted you there, and the natives suffered immensely. Again, not an achievement
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Acknowledging the large amount of time and effort that must be put into tagging, occupations, and refounds,

And nobody cares because at the end of the day it only helps TBR at the cost of the international community
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Appalled that The Black Riders’s region is constantly bombarded by insults and slander,

Golly gee, I wonder why they're hated so much? You know, besides the constant tag raiding, griefing, and now illegal recruiting by not one, but two high ranking individuals in the organization.
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Interjecting that Defender regions have been commended for their organization and success, despite that fact that The Black Riders has just as much, if not more, organization and success than them,

The only people you've helped have been yourself, and you used that success to hurt people.
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Realizing that this very council has commended self proclaimed “Defenders” for actions that would not have been possible without the existence of The Black Riders,

Nobody wanted you there to muck things up to begin with... That's like saying the Allies are wonderful people because they fought the Germans in WW2, but they wouldn't have had too if the Germans weren't imperialistic nutjobs.
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Stressing the fact that a large of number of resolutions passed by this Security Council, which acts as a symbol of international peace and diplomacy, would not exist without the extensive efforts of The Black Riders,

Unwanted efforts*
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Pointing out that many Defender regions have been commended for their actions, yet they have failed to stop, or even significantly slow down The Black Riders, showing this council’s corrupt bias against institutions like The Black Riders,

Not corrupt bias. Your region has done nothing to deserve a commendation. They historically hate Roleplay, and Gameplay wise they exist purely to ruin everyone elses experience.

Do something worth commending, then try again.

...Oh, wait. Your founder and marshal are DOS for illegal recruiting, and your region is being occupied by everyone you've pissed off by doing what your trying to be commended for.

I guess that's out forever then, huh.

Heh... Heh heh. :p

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Postby Zacherie » Fri May 01, 2015 8:06 am

Vrolondia wrote:*Snip*

I can't help but notice a large portion of your argument is that The Black Rider's approach to accelerating democracy to put their democratically elected delegate into the seat on other regions, relies on the Black Rider's presence not being asked for.

I will be the first to point out that defenders aren't asked to defend a large portion of the regions they defend, so why is it that they are permitted to do as they like, when they like it, without their presence being asked for?
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Postby The Nocter Empire » Mon May 25, 2015 8:43 am

Haha, I support this now ^^

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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:16 am

The World Assembly,

Noting that The Black Riders have already received a Security Council Condemnation, and accepting its effects,

Arguing that the actions of a region are not black and white, and that a region be worthy of condemnation and commendation at the same time,

Recognizing The Black Riders as one of the most well known military institutions in the history of the world,

Noting The Black Riders’s policy of unbiased participation, allowing nations of almost any ideology or religion to participate in regional affairs, as long as they are respectful to others,

Lauding The Black Riders’s endorsement of democracy when electing World Assembly Delegates,

Applauding The Black Riders’s participation in the liberation of Nazi Europe from Fascist forces,

Observing their efforts to refound founderless regions, such as DEN, Islamic Revolution of Iran, Angola, Internet, Charon, Whitereach, K and J Alliance, The Silver Isles, Region of Reunited Muslim States, Ixnay, and many others,

Attesting to The Black Riders’s contribution to other large founderless regions by bringing them into international relevance through occupations that do not end in refoundings, for instance in the regions SPACE, Anarchy, The Mountains to the East, and Atheist Empire,

Acknowledging the large amount of time and effort that must be put into tagging, occupations, and refounds,

Impressed by the fact that, despite constant insults and malicious comments, The Black Riders has a strict policy of not seeking revenge, and that the residents of The Black Riders always provide polite, if blunt, responses,

Asserting that The Black Riders unite nations and regions of all kinds through the actions that they take,

Citing the clear increase in activity in regions that have been tagged by The Black Riders, and the many friendships formed through discussion of them,

Interjecting that Defender regions have been commended for their organization and success, despite that fact that The Black Riders has just as much, if not more, organization and success than them,

Realizing that this very council has commended self proclaimed “Defenders” for actions that would not have been possible without the existence of The Black Riders,

Stressing the fact that a large of number of resolutions passed by this Security Council, which acts as a symbol of international peace and diplomacy, would not exist without the extensive efforts of The Black Riders,

Accepting that The Black Riders have instilled a greater interest in regional defense, regional politics and international diplomacy throughout the world,

Noting that The Black Riders have been liberated by the forces that they previously combated throughout their imperial era,

Praising the New TBR government for their further endorsement of democracy, and its work to form a strong and fair government,

Praising the New Black Riders for their aid in the liberation of Paradoxia,

Knowing that the legend of The Black Riders will be remembered for the rest of time,

Hereby Commends The Black Riders.


So, I've been thinking. Does a change in who controls The Black Riders mean that my original commendation no longer has any merit? My answer: No!

The new black riders have not done enough to merit a commendation on their own, but they have done enough for me to change up my commendation with some new content that I think people will be more supportive of. The message of my commendation has not changed, but the "black and white" argument is a bit stronger now with the new black riders being good guys. Anyways, I think that this proposal still has merit, and I look forward to any commentary/criticism of it. Also, if theree are any illegalities, please tell me, I'm a bit out of practice writing proposals. :P
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:46 am

Spoiler old draft and put this new one in the OP, please.

I was wondering if you'd revive this one, to be honest.
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:49 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:Spoiler old draft and put this new one in the OP, please.

I was wondering if you'd revive this one, to be honest.

I did that about an hour ago.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:49 am

We Are Not the NSA wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Spoiler old draft and put this new one in the OP, please.

I was wondering if you'd revive this one, to be honest.

I did that about an hour ago.

Oh. Oops.
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:32 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
We Are Not the NSA wrote:I did that about an hour ago.

Oh. Oops.

Do you see anything wrong with it?
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Jun 25, 2015 1:11 pm

We Are Not the NSA wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:Oh. Oops.

Do you see anything wrong with it?


Make the actions of the New government more prominent, probably by placing them at the beginning rather than the end, and you might get more support.
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