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[PASSED] Repeal "Commend Luna Amore"

Postby Ramaeus » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:19 pm

The Security Council,

Recognizing that, while controlling several nations with unique domestic structures is a marginally impressive accomplishment, it is one which is easily accomplished with careful preparation and diligence,

Asserting that SC#123 contradicts itself by calling the domestic structures Luna Amore established within their puppet nations as “unique”, while also acknowledging that Luna Amore is not the first nation to have accomplished the governmental constructs shown in their puppets H- and On Beyond Zebra,

Noting that studying population growth is a task easily accomplished by viewing the nation's census records, which diminishes the accomplishment of Luna Amore in this regard,

Acknowledging that, while Luna Amore's defense of Free Thought is a commendable action, it is the only one present in SC#123 which may be called such,

Believing that, where SC#123 may detail an impressive accomplishment, it does so in such vague terms that it effectively nullifies the accomplishment in question,

Further Believing that SC#123 is nearly devoid of material which may be used to justify a Commendation of Luna Amore, and, aware that when there is commendable material present, it is nearly devoid of information, which essentially nullifies the clauses in question,

Hereby Repeals SC#123, “Commend Luna Amore”.

This may seem paranoid of me, but, considering that I used a few clauses that I previously used in my resolution "Repeal Condemn North Korea", I was wondering if that may somehow violate the plagiarism rule. Thanks.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:35 pm

They are your clauses, so they are yours to use as you see fit.

As for this repeal? No fucking way. Luna did a lot of work to earn that commendation, and they should be permitted to keep it. Go find a different target....
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Postby Ramaeus » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:41 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:They are your clauses, so they are yours to use as you see fit.

As for this repeal? No fucking way. Luna did a lot of work to earn that commendation, and they should be permitted to keep it. Go find a different target....

While that may be true, you seem to be ignoring the fact that the resolution in question is poorly written and thoroughly unconvincing. I see a few parts which, if expounded upon properly, would be commendable, but, as it stands, any part of SC#123 which may be commendable is, at best, incredibly vague. If you wish to draft a suitable replacement which will do Luna Amore justice, then go right ahead. You would enjoy my full support.
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Postby Solorni » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:56 pm

Was Luna ever a member of the UDL?
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Postby Ramaeus » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:05 pm

Solorni wrote:Was Luna ever a member of the UDL?

I actually don't know.
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Postby Solorni » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:09 pm

Yup: http://s4.zetaboards.com/UDL/topic/8778 ... ost8176350

Since Luna was part of an organization that threatened to coup Balder, I think it is safe to say that we would support a repeal of this.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:57 pm

Solorni wrote:Since Luna was part of an organization that threatened to coup Balder, I think it is safe to say that we would support a repeal of this.


:palm: Oh please.... Anything to take a shot at Uni right?
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Postby Solorni » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:02 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:
Solorni wrote:Since Luna was part of an organization that threatened to coup Balder, I think it is safe to say that we would support a repeal of this.


:palm: Oh please.... Anything to take a shot at Uni right?

It was the current chief of the time, Solm :lol:
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Postby Pollaetorian » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:11 pm

Opposed. Luna's nations are hard to achieve. That diligence and patience is at a zen level and you still need to have 'cracked' the issues system to know which particular way to answer stuff.
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Postby Goddess Relief Office » Wed Nov 05, 2014 8:39 pm

Agreed with op on most points. Free Thought shouldn't have been mentioned in the original commend. It was Luna's own region and it was a group effort. The one thing that benefited NS as a whole and is commendable is Luna's issue authorship yet that wasn't mentioned.
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Postby Cormac Pendragon » Wed Nov 05, 2014 9:13 pm

I'll start by saying that I could potentially support repeal based on the OP's argument. That said...

Solorni wrote:Yup: http://s4.zetaboards.com/UDL/topic/8778 ... ost8176350

Since Luna was part of an organization that threatened to coup Balder, I think it is safe to say that we would support a repeal of this.

Is it seriously the position of Balder that you will vote against commendations (or for repeal of commendations) of anyone who has ever been a UDL member based on an inappropriate joke Solm made over a year ago, and that you hold any UDL member -- past, present, or future -- responsible for Solm's one joke threat against Balder?

If so, I would like to thank you for making my response to Lazarus' joke threat look moderate and reasonable in comparison to this remarkable new low in ridiculous, petty, vindictive gameplay. Bravo!

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Postby Unibot III » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:01 pm

I'm against because I think Luna Amore deserves to be commended; the commendation isn't the best - and doesn't recognize their hard work in Osiris as Revert or as an Issue Contributor, but with the current political climate (i.e., W.A.L.L holding influence over the WA) I'm not sure a proper replacement could be passed.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:19 pm

Cormac Pendragon wrote:I'll start by saying that I could potentially support repeal based on the OP's argument. That said...

Solorni wrote:Yup: http://s4.zetaboards.com/UDL/topic/8778 ... ost8176350

Since Luna was part of an organization that threatened to coup Balder, I think it is safe to say that we would support a repeal of this.

Is it seriously the position of Balder that you will vote against commendations (or for repeal of commendations) of anyone who has ever been a UDL member based on an inappropriate joke Solm made over a year ago, and that you hold any UDL member -- past, present, or future -- responsible for Solm's one joke threat against Balder?

If so, I would like to thank you for making my response to Lazarus' joke threat look moderate and reasonable in comparison to this remarkable new low in ridiculous, petty, vindictive gameplay. Bravo!


Yes.... Of you are going to hold a grudge at least make it a good one. Hate The Internationale instead.....
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Postby Solorni » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:13 am

Cormac Pendragon wrote:I'll start by saying that I could potentially support repeal based on the OP's argument. That said...

Solorni wrote:Yup: http://s4.zetaboards.com/UDL/topic/8778 ... ost8176350

Since Luna was part of an organization that threatened to coup Balder, I think it is safe to say that we would support a repeal of this.

Is it seriously the position of Balder that you will vote against commendations (or for repeal of commendations) of anyone who has ever been a UDL member based on an inappropriate joke Solm made over a year ago, and that you hold any UDL member -- past, present, or future -- responsible for Solm's one joke threat against Balder?

If so, I would like to thank you for making my response to Lazarus' joke threat look moderate and reasonable in comparison to this remarkable new low in ridiculous, petty, vindictive gameplay. Bravo!

It wasn't really a joke, especially considering the context. After my newspaper had acted as whistleblower on the UDL Chief Elections, Solm was furious and said the following:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img687/ ... 9at122.png

Balder never received an adequate apology from the UDL over the incident. Thus, since the only main thing I know about Luna is that he or she she participated in an organization that truly threatened (not joked) to coup Balder and that she has not distanced herself from that, I think it is within my rights to support this repeal on that basis. If Luna distances him or herself from his or her time in the UDL, then I will not support this effort.
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Postby Cora II » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:27 am

Not going this time to question how functional and useful institution Security Council is...

...but I do not see the point of Repeals, particularly in repeals made by sake of repealing. Only if repeals openly declare their function for making room better C/C proposals of subjects of repeals, then there could be some rationale there. Generally all WA-SC resolutions should be seen in a Context of the time they are originally made, and because it is possible Condemn and Commend same subjects several times if necessary, it is not that clear to me what is really purpose of whole habit of seeking something for repeal. Much more progressive and creative way would be try make better drafts and proposals for C/C, not repeal old ones, only because it was '05 or '09 when something was considered Commendworthy or Condemnworthy.

Repeals generally are just extra junk delay for effective quality work of The Security Council.

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Postby McMasterdonia » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:52 am

Even if Luna was a member of that organisation at the time the threat occurred (I don't know for sure), I doubt that means she was aware of the threat or even a party to it. As far as I know Luna was never a senior member of UDL command. You don't necessarily blame a citizen for a threat made by their national/regional leader and I think the same should be applied here.

Lastly, I think there was a problem with mentioning her issue authorship in the commendation last time. I seem to remember that came up in the discussion and there was some debate about whether or not you can commend someone for "staff" activities. It might be time to do some archive diving :p

As to W.A.L.L, other than Solorni's and my posts in this thread, there is no indication from any members that W.A.L.L would vote against a replacement commend if it was well written and covered her contributions to NationStates well enough. At this stage, I'm not convinced the repeal is needed in the first place.
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:30 am

For the record, Luna Amore is male.
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Postby Pollaetorian » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:18 pm

What I most dislike about this proposal is that it is another move to dismiss the worth of anything that falls outside the standard GP/RP (but I'm not sure even 'good RP' will be accepted by the SC nowadays, but I'm not a RP expert) viewpoint.

The dismissive attitude towards issue playing in the first two lines says it all really. Luna is also more or less the most well known issue-player even before this. The fact the rest of the posts here are talking about GP issues just confirms the bias.

Along with The Featured Region Followers, Luna's commend is one of the few that is actually about doing something different with the game.

McMasterdonia wrote:Lastly, I think there was a problem with mentioning her issue authorship in the commendation last time. I seem to remember that came up in the discussion and there was some debate about whether or not you can commend someone for "staff" activities. It might be time to do some archive diving :p
Unibot III wrote:I'm against because I think Luna Amore deserves to be commended; the commendation isn't the best - and doesn't recognize their hard work in Osiris as Revert or as an Issue Contributor, but with the current political climate (i.e., W.A.L.L holding influence over the WA) I'm not sure a proper replacement could be passed.
Goddess Relief Office wrote:Agreed with op on most points. Free Thought shouldn't have been mentioned in the original commend. It was Luna's own region and it was a group effort. The one thing that benefited NS as a whole and is commendable is Luna's issue authorship yet that wasn't mentioned.


From this ruling: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=145637

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Postby Ramaeus » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:30 pm

Pollaetorian wrote:-snip-

My only motivation for writing this repeal is to see a poorly written commendation repealed, and, hopefully, to see a suitable replacement drafted, as Luna Amore is a deserving candidate. They do not deserve to have such a poorly written Commendation. If you wish to see Luna Amore properly commended for their efforts, I would advise that you draft a suitable replacement to SC#123 should my repeal effort pass.

Secondly, you have an impressive familiarity with SC rulings, which leads me to suspect that you are a puppet of someone. If so, why are you posting from a puppet nation?
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Postby Pollaetorian » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:40 pm

Ramaeus wrote:
Pollaetorian wrote:-snip-

My only motivation for writing this repeal is to see a poorly written commendation repealed, and, hopefully, to see a suitable replacement drafted, as Luna Amore is a deserving candidate. They do not deserve to have such a poorly written Commendation. If you wish to see Luna Amore properly commended for their efforts, I would advise that you draft a suitable replacement to SC#123 should my repeal effort pass.

Secondly, you have an impressive familiarity with SC rulings, which leads me to suspect that you are a puppet of someone. If so, why are you posting from a puppet nation?


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Postby Ramaeus » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:41 pm

Pollaetorian wrote:
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Goddess Relief Office wrote:The one thing that benefited NS as a whole and is commendable is Luna's issue authorship yet that wasn't mentioned.

Difficult to mention that within the SC rules...
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Postby Cora II » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:45 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Goddess Relief Office wrote:The one thing that benefited NS as a whole and is commendable is Luna's issue authorship yet that wasn't mentioned.

Difficult to mention that within the SC rules...


How about something like that?

"Recognizing Luna Amore's remarkable contribution to the ways how political issues are brought to a national government's legislative processes on a daily basis."


English may or may not correct, but Idea of formulation should be clear and as far I see it doesn't break against any WA-SC rules. Hypotethical anyway in and for this thread.

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Postby Nordenwald » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:55 pm

Unibot III wrote:I'm against because I think Luna Amore deserves to be commended; the commendation isn't the best - and doesn't recognize their hard work in Osiris as Revert or as an Issue Contributor, but with the current political climate (i.e., W.A.L.L holding influence over the WA) I'm not sure a proper replacement could be passed.


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