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[PASSED] Repeal Liberate The International Communist Union

Postby The 25th Worker Soviet » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:35 am

We got to 50 out of 65 approvals last time (over 75%) so heres to hoping we can make it this time.

The Security Council:

Recognizing that the resolution to "Liberate The International Communist Union" has served its purpose, as the region now remains firmly in control of allies of the natives who have the region's best interests in mind, with full intent to return to native control.

Understanding that without the repeal of the Liberation that the natives will be unable to protect themselves from outside hostile forces,

Aware of the popular support for a revival effort among the natives and their allies

Supportive of the natives wish to return security and normalcy to the region,

Hereby Repeals SC #159, "Liberate The International Communist Union".

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Link to proposal: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1414166586
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Postby Chester Pearson » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:23 am

No. As long as Antifa forces are involved, I will vehemently oppose any repeal of said liberation....
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Postby Feux » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:07 pm

We got to 50 out of 65 approvals last time (over 75%) so heres to hoping we can make it this time.


Were you and have you campaigned for this proposal?
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Postby Chester Pearson » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:10 pm

Feux wrote:
We got to 50 out of 65 approvals last time (over 75%) so heres to hoping we can make it this time.


Were you and have you campaigned for this proposal?


Yes they are, and please don't encourage them....
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Postby Blood Wine » Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:18 am

Chester Pearson wrote:No. As long as Antifa forces are involved, I will vehemently oppose any repeal of said liberation....


Any proper reasoning for that or just a grudge?

I encourage my delegate to withdraw his approval due to the low quality of the proposal,I would recommend asking some seniors around here to take a look at it - add in info about the region and history for one


edit:the target is actually one of the vaguest resolutions I have ever seen
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Postby Daburuetchi » Sun Oct 26, 2014 9:33 pm

We must defend Soviet Power against imperialist, reactionaries and fascist! All freedom loving comrades should support this resolution.
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Postby Novus Niciae » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:34 am

The natives are in control of the region and everything is in order. This is just housekeeping legislation.
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Postby Funkadelia » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:38 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:No. As long as Antifa forces are involved, I will vehemently oppose any repeal of said liberation....

What does that have to do with anything? The fact that the foreign dominators have been cast out is reason enough to support it.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:58 pm

Funkadelia wrote:
Chester Pearson wrote:No. As long as Antifa forces are involved, I will vehemently oppose any repeal of said liberation....

What does that have to do with anything? The fact that the foreign dominators have been cast out is reason enough to support it.


The only reason Antifa liberated the place, is so they can lock it down and hold it as a colony. They have no intentions of returning the delegacy to the natives.

At least while the liberation is in place, they can't do anything with it....
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Postby The Stalker » Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:17 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:
Funkadelia wrote:What does that have to do with anything? The fact that the foreign dominators have been cast out is reason enough to support it.


The only reason Antifa liberated the place, is so they can lock it down and hold it as a colony. They have no intentions of returning the delegacy to the natives.

At least while the liberation is in place, they can't do anything with it....


I really doubt that Chester. Antifa is a broad organization made up of multiple regions and multiple regional armies. I understand your concern seeing as Defenders have bumped heads with some Antifa regions.

But the ultimate goal of Antifa is to aid leftest regions and keep them falling into Nazi / fascist hands.

It's pretty clear that they're there to help The International Communist Union from the recent Nazi attack, the natives are supportive of their presence and of this repeal.
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:24 pm

Ah, another underhanded attempt by North Korea and Antifaux to password protect a region and keep it as a trophy. Anyone who has been paying attention would realize that by not endorsing the native with the most amount of influence is a raider's attempt at claiming a liberation and then securing it.

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Postby Snakelan » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:32 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:Ah, another underhanded attempt by North Korea and Antifaux to password protect a region and keep it as a trophy. Anyone who has been paying attention would realize that by not endorsing the native with the most amount of influence is a raider's attempt at claiming a liberation and then securing it.

Against.

Wait, Antifa? They're...imperialist?
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Postby Nordenwald » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:37 pm

Does this have native backing?
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:40 pm

Snakelan wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:Ah, another underhanded attempt by North Korea and Antifaux to password protect a region and keep it as a trophy. Anyone who has been paying attention would realize that by not endorsing the native with the most amount of influence is a raider's attempt at claiming a liberation and then securing it.

Against.

Wait, Antifa? They're...imperialist?


No shit sherlock. Didn't you hear what happened to poor Slavya?
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Postby Snakelan » Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:42 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:
Snakelan wrote:Wait, Antifa? They're...imperialist?


No shit sherlock. Didn't you hear what happened to poor Slavya?

...Now I'm confused. I want anything that'll benefit the ICU, But if I vote for, Then they will just conquer it for their empire? This is one hell of a penrose triangle...
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Postby Captain Woodhouse » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:16 pm

Funkadelia wrote:The fact that the foreign dominators have been cast out is reason enough to support it.


North Korea's The 25th Worker Soviet would love the SC to believe their TICU dog and pony show resulted in 'the foreign dominators', aka You-Know-Who being 'cast out'; however, that's bullshit as anyone with half a brain (like my buddy, Chester) would know.

We-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named left TICU of our own volition after holding it a fortnight (half of that, post-SC Liberation) and significantly decreasing the population. http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8171487

Barring a sloppy Antifa lib effort, we were unopposed for the duration of our occupation.

Republic of Minerva wrote:Ah, another underhanded attempt by North Korea and Antifaux to password protect a region and keep it as a trophy.


BINGO. We foiled a couple NK/Auntie Farce ops after we were finished with TICU. Then there was that messy CAPS business. They have to take scalps somewhere.
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:32 pm

Captain Woodhouse wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:Ah, another underhanded attempt by North Korea and Antifaux to password protect a region and keep it as a trophy.


BINGO. We foiled a couple NK/Auntie Farce ops after we were finished with TICU. Then there was that messy CAPS business. They have to take scalps somewhere.


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Anyway, I am awaiting the cries of betrayal and the bitter jeer of "I told you so" when this is through.
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Postby The Stalker » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:35 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:
Snakelan wrote:Wait, Antifa? They're...imperialist?


No shit sherlock. Didn't you hear what happened to poor Slavya?


Antifa is a multiple region organization that has helped tons of leftest regions.

Slavya is hardly the status quo, and more regional issue with North Korea not trusting the supposed natives as they were fascist or too fascist friendly. That region doesn't even have an embassy with Antifa currently, just NK's division.

Antifa wants to keep leftest regions out of the hands of fascist so bad they sometimes take it to far by defender standards, but to focus on the one or two controversial events and disregard all the region's they have helped. Is just a bias distortion of the facts at hand.

In my experience, we have had Antifa forces help out in Communist Beach on multiple occasions, seen them offer support to tons of other leftest regions, all without incident.

Leftest regions have nothing to fear from Antifa, and this is clearly supported by the residents. Silly to me people wanna paint Antifa the villains, when there helping the region recover from a Nazi occupation.
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Postby Nordenwald » Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:55 pm

Still confused: does this have native backing?

EDIT: Am I the only one who thinks that the 25th Worker Soviet looks like a puppet?
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Postby The Stalker » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:07 pm

Nordenwald wrote:Still confused: does this have native backing?


Vashtanaraada the native leader is voting for the repeal, amongst The International Communist Union residents, voting is currently 21-0 (100% For). Plus the conversation on the rmb suggest they know each other and are working together.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:19 pm

The Stalker wrote:
Nordenwald wrote:Still confused: does this have native backing?


Vashtanaraada the native leader is voting for the repeal, amongst The International Communist Union residents, voting is currently 21-0 (100% For). Plus the conversation on the rmb suggest they know each other and are working together.


And 14 of those members are Antifa puppets....

Edit:

4 hours ago: The 25th Worker Soviet ejected The United Socialist States of Jacobstein from The International Communist Union.
4 hours ago: The 25th Worker Soviet ejected The Parliamentary Republic of Tortouqua from The International Communist Union.
7 hours ago: The 25th Worker Soviet's influence in The International Communist Union rose from "Truckler" to "Handshaker".
9 hours ago: The 25th Worker Soviet ejected The People's Republic of Chinese Cheese from The International Communist Union.
9 hours ago: The 25th Worker Soviet ejected The People's Republic of Chernotzka from The International Communist Union.
10 hours ago: The 25th Worker Soviet ejected The United Socialist States of Scotruslatvia from The International Communist Union.
16 hours ago: The 25th Worker Soviet was endorsed by The United Socialist States of Soviet Federative Russia.
20 hours ago: The 25th Worker Soviet lodged a message on the The International Communist Union Regional Message Board.
20 hours ago: The 25th Worker Soviet voted for the World Assembly Resolution "Repeal "Liberate The International Communist Union"".
22 hours ago: The 25th Worker Soviet ejected and banned The Commonwealth of Veracruzia from The International Communist Union.


Boy howdy! Sure looks like they are helping the natives there!
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:22 pm

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Republic of Minerva wrote:
No shit sherlock. Didn't you hear what happened to poor Slavya?


Antifa is a multiple region organization that has helped tons of leftest regions.

Slavya is hardly the status quo, and more regional issue with North Korea not trusting the supposed natives as they were fascist or too fascist friendly. That region doesn't even have an embassy with Antifa currently, just NK's division.

Antifa wants to keep leftest regions out of the hands of fascist so bad they sometimes take it to far by defender standards, but to focus on the one or two controversial events and disregard all the region's they have helped. Is just a bias distortion of the facts at hand.

In my experience, we have had Antifa forces help out in Communist Beach on multiple occasions, seen them offer support to tons of other leftest regions, all without incident.

Leftest regions have nothing to fear from Antifa, and this is clearly supported by the residents. Silly to me people wanna paint Antifa the villains, when there helping the region recover from a Nazi occupation.


"Leftist" being entirely subjective label, you know. The Chernobyl Union was also leftist, yet also was refounded by other leftists, denying the current community (The Chernobyl Peninsula Alliance) their rightful home.

North Korea has been at the helm of the Antifa organization ever since the MT army and the leaders of the Internationale had retired or gone missing. Sure, they don't define Antifa but considering that over 75% of the regions that used to belong to Antifa/MT army have been swooped up by the same OP you now support, I definitely think it means something. They don't even bother returning the former regions to their former founders as I occasionally do if they aren't fascist.

Leftist regions may have nothing to fear as long as you agree with them. But freedom of speech and association are two values that I don't see in any of the regions belonging to Antifa. Build an embassy with a capitalist, conservative, fascist region, or merely a region that you don't like the look of? You are a fascist sympathizer. Make a joke? Hate speech. Etc.
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Postby Chester Pearson » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:24 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:
Leftist regions may have nothing to fear as long as you agree with them. But freedom of speech and association are two values that I don't see in any of the regions belonging to Antifa. Build an embassy with a capitalist, conservative, fascist region, or merely a region that you don't like the look of? You are a fascist sympathizer. Make a joke? Hate speech. Etc.


Just adds more fuel to the fire to support finally condemning Antifa for what it really is....
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Postby The Stalker » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:52 pm

I will say, Mt Army and the former leadership of Antifa the one i'm most fond of. I don't condone every action done in the name of Antifa. I might point out that both MT and Internationale are there as well, among several others.

Understandably Antifa have an anti-fascist / anti-capitalist bias, some member regions more than others. If we were talking about a capitalist leaning region there would be cause for concern.

But the region has shared an embassy with The Red Fleet, North Korea, and various other Antifa regions prior to the raid, they talk about doing missions together in the past on their rmb, they appear to be familiar with one another. I really doubt they would on a whim betray a clearly communist region they're friends with..

Chester Pearson wrote:
The Stalker wrote:
Vashtanaraada the native leader is voting for the repeal, amongst The International Communist Union residents, voting is currently 21-0 (100% For). Plus the conversation on the rmb suggest they know each other and are working together.


And 14 of those members are Antifa puppets....


Yea but that still means all the natives are currently supporting it.

Edit: Also none of those ejected nations are natives, they are just puppets of troops that resigned from the WA or people who recently wandered into the region. All appears rather routine to me.
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Postby Nordenwald » Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:20 pm

Too confusing, I think I'll abstain unless compelling evidence is presented on either side.
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