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How would you prefer the 114th congress be set up? How will it be?

GOP House/GOP Senate
107
32%
GOP House/ Dem Senate (current)
25
8%
Dem House/ Dem Senate
148
45%
Dem House/ GOP Senate
8
2%
Other?
42
13%
 
Total votes : 330

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Empire of Vlissingen
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:19 am

Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I mean the lowering of taxes in the reagan time.



.....Which severely damaged the economy.

How does economic growth hurth the economy?
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Svatantra Mulukama
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Postby Svatantra Mulukama » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:21 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Svatantra Mulukama wrote:

.....Which severely damaged the economy.

How does economic growth hurth thw economy?


Economic growth isn't solely determined by GDP growth. The GDP grew under Reagan, but wages stagnated, inequality skyrocketed, the number of Americans in poverty grew, and all of this spiraled us into a vicious cycle of debt. GDP growth is good, but it needs to be coupled with growing wages, general equality, and decreasing poverty, otherwise it's unsustainable.
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Postby Cata Larga » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:24 am

Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:How does economic growth hurth thw economy?


Economic growth isn't solely determined by GDP growth. The GDP grew under Reagan, but wages stagnated, inequality skyrocketed, the number of Americans in poverty grew, and all of this spiraled us into a vicious cycle of debt. GDP growth is good, but it needs to be coupled with growing wages, general equality, and decreasing poverty, otherwise it's unsustainable.

Not to mention how Reaganomics kinda helped trigger a savings & loan crisis.
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The Nuclear Fist
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:31 am

So basically we get more of the exact same gridlock that has plagued government for so long? Oh golly gosh cheese and crackers, Batman, I'm so excited!
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:09 am

Left. Right. Left. Right.

Just more Hegelian Dialectic.
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Firsthome
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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:09 am

Andarro wrote:
Othelos wrote:I'm not an idealistic libertarian. If something doesn't make sense, then I won't support it.

And no, taxes shouldn't ALWAYS be raised. Only when it makes sense to.


All due respect, but why should 'We the people' be compelled to pay more taxes to cover the irresponsible spending practices of the government?

These politicians use $944,672 per year each, just for their secretaries (up to 18 of them), they get a raise each year based on inflation, they pay $0 in operating costs.

Meanwhile, approximately 1/3 of the US population is either homeless, living at or below poverty, underemployed or unemployed, and living in a neighborhood that resembles a war zone.

This country is bankrupt and owes upwards of $17,770,878,224,354 (17.7 Trillion Dollars) with a GDP of 16.8 Trillion Dollars.

All of this has been happening on their watch, and their actions appear to be a pathetic excuse; so the choice is what exactly?

Elect a bag of poop as opposed to a bag of poop?


Raise taxes so the government pays for everything (almost) and raise it even higher for the rich
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Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:11 am

Prezelly wrote:WE wont know till the polls are done.
But I would prefer a radical republican congress to a radical democrat congress at this point in time

No thank you. I enjoy my liberties.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:14 am

Firsthome wrote:
Andarro wrote:
All due respect, but why should 'We the people' be compelled to pay more taxes to cover the irresponsible spending practices of the government?

These politicians use $944,672 per year each, just for their secretaries (up to 18 of them), they get a raise each year based on inflation, they pay $0 in operating costs.

Meanwhile, approximately 1/3 of the US population is either homeless, living at or below poverty, underemployed or unemployed, and living in a neighborhood that resembles a war zone.

This country is bankrupt and owes upwards of $17,770,878,224,354 (17.7 Trillion Dollars) with a GDP of 16.8 Trillion Dollars.

All of this has been happening on their watch, and their actions appear to be a pathetic excuse; so the choice is what exactly?

Elect a bag of poop as opposed to a bag of poop?


Raise taxes so the government pays for everything (almost) and raise it even higher for the rich

The government then takes more money away from the people. How else would the government get the money needed?
Indeed, the deficit is the government's fault. It needs to cut spending.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:22 am

Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:How does economic growth hurth thw economy?


Economic growth isn't solely determined by GDP growth. The GDP grew under Reagan, but wages stagnated, inequality skyrocketed, the number of Americans in poverty grew, and all of this spiraled us into a vicious cycle of debt. GDP growth is good, but it needs to be coupled with growing wages, general equality, and decreasing poverty, otherwise it's unsustainable.

Growing wages have only short term effects; they provide the lower class with increased purchasing power at the expense of increased prices and unemployment in the long run. Likewise, lowering the minimum wage may have temporarily negative effects, but the economy would balance itself out as the price of goods and services drop to encourage consumption.
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Firsthome
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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:26 am

Are you insane?

LOWER SPENDING?

Ok... Maybe for defense....

But NOT education
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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:27 am

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Svatantra Mulukama wrote:
Economic growth isn't solely determined by GDP growth. The GDP grew under Reagan, but wages stagnated, inequality skyrocketed, the number of Americans in poverty grew, and all of this spiraled us into a vicious cycle of debt. GDP growth is good, but it needs to be coupled with growing wages, general equality, and decreasing poverty, otherwise it's unsustainable.

Growing wages have only short term effects; they provide the lower class with increased purchasing power at the expense of increased prices and unemployment in the long run. Likewise, lowering the minimum wage may have temporarily negative effects, but the economy would balance itself out as the price of goods and services drop to encourage consumption.


Only in theory

It doesn't work irl

And we need to destroy the monopolies like tyson
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:29 am

Firsthome wrote:
Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:Growing wages have only short term effects; they provide the lower class with increased purchasing power at the expense of increased prices and unemployment in the long run. Likewise, lowering the minimum wage may have temporarily negative effects, but the economy would balance itself out as the price of goods and services drop to encourage consumption.


Only in theory

It doesn't work irl

And we need to destroy the monopolies like tyson

In real life, both raising and lowering minimum wage never work as expected.
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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:30 am

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Firsthome wrote:
Only in theory

It doesn't work irl

And we need to destroy the monopolies like tyson

In real life, both raising and lowering minimum wage never work as expected.


How are you socialist?
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:30 am

Firsthome wrote:
Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:In real life, both raising and lowering minimum wage never work as expected.


How are you socialist?

I am not. I am libertarian.
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Postby Firsthome » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:34 am

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Firsthome wrote:
How are you socialist?

I am not. I am libertarian.


I'm more like the Dali Lama in political. Views than anyone else

I'm next closest to the late Nelson Mandela
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