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Turkey continues its journey into the past

Postby Baltenstein » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:51 am

So, after decades of banning the headscarf in public schools in the name of laicité, the Turkish government has decided to lift the ban, so that pupils as young as ten will have the right to wear a headscarf in classes. Sounds like a step into more freedom of expression "let everyone live and dress as he likes", right? Well, not really because they decided to ban a whole bunch of other things instead:

A government decree changing the regulation on the dress code in public schools was published Sept. 27 in the Official Gazette, allowing girls as young as 10 year old attend classes wearing headscarves.

According to the regulation, the students will not be allowed to wear make-up or have tattoos or piercings.

Students “are to be present in schools with their faces visible; cannot use scarves, berets, hats, bags or similar materials that carry political symbols, pictures or writings; cannot dye hair, cannot have tattoos or make-up; cannot have piercings; cannot have moustache or beard,” the new regulation published in the Official Gazette read.

The regulation stated that students in pre-school institutions and primary schools cannot wear headscarves.

The government announced last week that it would lift the ban for children starting from grade five, which normally corresponds to the age of 10 in Turkey.

Following the government’s move, Eğitim-Bir-Sen, an education sector trade union with conservative views, has demanded the abolition of mixed-sex education, while also calling for freedom in the dress code as part of a reaction against the compulsory wearing of ties for men.


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/govt-f ... sCatID=338

You just have to love your "I-want-to-live-the-way-I-want-it-is-my-right-oh-and-let's-also-ban-all-this-stuff-I-don't-like" conservative religious types - they are the same in every country and every religion.
I wonder how long the step-by-step dismantling of Kemalist values will continue.
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Postby The House of Xavier » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:55 am

Damn it, Obama. You said things would be different!

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:05 pm

"No mustache or beard."

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Also, for some reason, image searching "Turkish Politician" yields lots of pics of Emma Watson.
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Postby The House of Xavier » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:06 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:"No mustache or beard."



Also, for some reason, image searching "Turkish Politician" yields lots of pics of Emma Watson.


Well, she's an attractive woman.

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Postby Cyrisnia » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:13 pm

The House of Xavier wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:"No mustache or beard."



Also, for some reason, image searching "Turkish Politician" yields lots of pics of Emma Watson.


Well, she's an attractive woman.

Something to do with Kebab? :p
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Postby Nortrom » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:14 pm

Turkey is slowly becoming an Islamist state, contrary to the beliefs of millions of Turkish people. I wonder how this will affect Turkey in the long term. The nation is already divided between Turks and Kurds and these policies could lead into another dichotomy, this time between the seculars and Islamists.
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Postby Imperial--japan » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:17 pm

I await the second coming of Atatürk.
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Postby DnalweN acilbupeR » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:18 pm

OP, I just love the title :lol:

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:22 pm

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Postby Pope Joan » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:25 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:"No mustache or beard."



Also, for some reason, image searching "Turkish Politician" yields lots of pics of Emma Watson.


Turks have famously elegant facial hair. This is a travesty!
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:27 pm

Pope Joan wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:"No mustache or beard."



Also, for some reason, image searching "Turkish Politician" yields lots of pics of Emma Watson.


Turks have famously elegant facial hair. This is a travesty!

That rival the magnificence mustaches of Mexico.
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Postby Jamjai » Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:48 pm

Nortrom wrote:Turkey is slowly becoming an Islamist state, contrary to the beliefs of millions of Turkish people. I wonder how this will affect Turkey in the long term. The nation is already divided between Turks and Kurds and these policies could lead into another dichotomy, this time between the seculars and Islamists.

how is turkey becoming an Islamist state?

the bans doesn't even provide clues of it becoming an islamist country
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Postby Gezi Park » Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:09 pm

At least veil or niqab is still banned (not that they're common anyway).
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Postby The House of Xavier » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:12 pm

The only question that I have is: Are fezes affected?

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Postby Geilinor » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:25 pm

This is basically what, a journey back to Ottoman-era school regulations?
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Postby Romalae » Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:43 pm

So much for Turkey being a "secular state" as we've been told before.
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Postby Herskerstad » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:02 pm

Ban tattoos for those who go to school?

Yeah, thanks for the advance notice.
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Postby Planita » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:04 pm

Turkey is kissing its EU membership goodbye

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Postby Sklavinia » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:04 pm

Imperial--japan wrote:I await the second coming of Atatürk.


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Postby Planita » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:06 pm

Cyrisnia wrote:
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Well, she's an attractive woman.

Something to do with Kebab? :p

She is showing up because she protested the Turkish PM comment saying "women shouldn't laugh in public" on Twitter.

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Postby Nord Amour » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:09 pm

This planet...

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Postby Toronina » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:21 pm

Why Turkey, just why?
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:48 pm

Baltenstein wrote:So, after decades of banning the headscarf in public schools in the name of laicité, the Turkish government has decided to lift the ban, so that pupils as young as ten will have the right to wear a headscarf in classes. Sounds like a step into more freedom of expression "let everyone live and dress as he likes", right? Well, not really because they decided to ban a whole bunch of other things instead:

A government decree changing the regulation on the dress code in public schools was published Sept. 27 in the Official Gazette, allowing girls as young as 10 year old attend classes wearing headscarves.

According to the regulation, the students will not be allowed to wear make-up or have tattoos or piercings.

Students “are to be present in schools with their faces visible; cannot use scarves, berets, hats, bags or similar materials that carry political symbols, pictures or writings; cannot dye hair, cannot have tattoos or make-up; cannot have piercings; cannot have moustache or beard,” the new regulation published in the Official Gazette read.

The regulation stated that students in pre-school institutions and primary schools cannot wear headscarves.

The government announced last week that it would lift the ban for children starting from grade five, which normally corresponds to the age of 10 in Turkey.

Following the government’s move, Eğitim-Bir-Sen, an education sector trade union with conservative views, has demanded the abolition of mixed-sex education, while also calling for freedom in the dress code as part of a reaction against the compulsory wearing of ties for men.


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/govt-f ... sCatID=338

You just have to love your "I-want-to-live-the-way-I-want-it-is-my-right-oh-and-let's-also-ban-all-this-stuff-I-don't-like" conservative religious types - they are the same in every country and every religion.
I wonder how long the step-by-step dismantling of Kemalist values will continue.


Lifting a ban on headscarves is not taking a step back. I understand the desire to ban them at government schools so the student body looks secular but allowing the families and the girls themselves to make that choice seems fine. Also quoting a random union leader is not indicative of government policy.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:56 pm

greed and death wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:So, after decades of banning the headscarf in public schools in the name of laicité, the Turkish government has decided to lift the ban, so that pupils as young as ten will have the right to wear a headscarf in classes. Sounds like a step into more freedom of expression "let everyone live and dress as he likes", right? Well, not really because they decided to ban a whole bunch of other things instead:



http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/govt-f ... sCatID=338

You just have to love your "I-want-to-live-the-way-I-want-it-is-my-right-oh-and-let's-also-ban-all-this-stuff-I-don't-like" conservative religious types - they are the same in every country and every religion.
I wonder how long the step-by-step dismantling of Kemalist values will continue.


Lifting a ban on headscarves is not taking a step back. I understand the desire to ban them at government schools so the student body looks secular but allowing the families and the girls themselves to make that choice seems fine. Also quoting a random union leader is not indicative of government policy.


Perhaps you missed the other half of the article were it said they also banned make-up, tattoos, piercings, and facial hair.
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