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[PASSED] Condemn North Korea

Postby Republic of Minerva » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:49 pm

The Security Council,

UNDERSTANDING that North Korea is a region dedicated to the principles of "Anti-Imperialism, Anti-Colonialism, [and] Self Determination,”

NOTING that North Korea denies the freedom of speech of their members, as shown by Article 8d of their constitution, as well as banning any nation they deem to be "reactionary" from their region,

ACKNOWLEDGING North Korea’s position of anti-fascism, and it’s attempt to combat fascism has turned it into a large empire spanning almost a thousand regions indirectly connected to it, blocking others from using those region’s name merely in the name of “anti-fascism,”

RECALLING a North Korean backed raid of the region Benevolent Capitalism, a small region whose only guilt was being associated to other regions indirectly, and was unfairly raided a second time after it was noted that the Black Riders had done one before them, despite said region not being fascist in the least,

AWARE of North Korea’s recent refounding of Slavya, a long time regional community that once had up to 150 nations, had denied that region’s previous founder a chance to refound the region, securing it under their control,

APPALLED that North Korea’s sole motivation in keeping Slavya is due to their belief that freedom of speech and association shouldn’t apply to Slavyans, and that their ideas of what freedom is must be imposed on other regions under the guise of anti-fascism,

BELIEVING that by occupying Slavya, and by invading other regions in the name of "Anti-Imperialism, Anti-Colonialism, [and] Self-Determination," North Korea violates the principles that they claim they are dedicated to, and poses a threat to the international community,

Hereby CONDEMNS North Korea.


Rought draft #2, actually. First attempt of drafting a condemnation, so if you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
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Postby Havenburgh » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:52 pm

I would vote for

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Postby Luksusowa » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:34 pm

Havenburgh wrote:I would vote for



Oh hey it's you!

I'd totally vote for too!

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:36 pm

Normally, as a social democrat, I wouldn't support half the stuff a libertarian puts out, but this I can agree with.
Of course, all the raiders are gonna come here and say that their fun overrules ours because it involves messing our day up, so...
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Postby Ramaeus » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:45 pm

That particular region hasn't done enough to warrant such attention, as the only thing you list is one marginally impressive trophy.
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Postby SuperFruitland » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:47 pm

*read the title*

*went WHATISTHISWENEEDTHISRIGHTNOW*

*read proposal*

*meh*

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Postby Havenburgh » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:58 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Normally, as a social democrat, I wouldn't support half the stuff a libertarian puts out, but this I can agree with.
Of course, all the raiders are gonna come here and say that their fun overrules ours because it involves messing our day up, so...

Agreed and totally with you a hundred percent
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I'd totally vote for too!

Ummm... I tg you

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Postby Republic of Minerva » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:59 pm

Besides highlighting what is to me a major dick move on a region that cannot be liberated or restored, I am also attempting to highlight the sheer mass hypocrisy of North Korea. I could probably talk all day about how NK is a participant in Antifa and goes around attacking anyone who they perceive as fascist, but as shown before the Security Council doesn't really seem interested in condemning Antifa, despite refounding regions having much more permanent actions than simple invasions by TBR and the liberations that usually follow.

Besides, imo Macedon had been condemned for a lot less. Bright orange, really?

Anyway I'll try to put a bit more meat in it by digging, but the main gist is down and I am sticking to it.
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Postby Shadoke » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:01 pm

Vote for. North Korea stepped over the line
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Postby Havenburgh » Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:06 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:Besides highlighting what is to me a major dick move on a region that cannot be liberated or restored, I am also attempting to highlight the sheer mass hypocrisy of North Korea. I could probably talk all day about how NK is a participant in Antifa and goes around attacking anyone who they perceive as fascist, but as shown before the Security Council doesn't really seem interested in condemning Antifa, despite refounding regions having much more permanent actions than simple invasions by TBR and the liberations that usually follow.

Besides, imo Macedon had been condemned for a lot less. Bright orange, really?

Anyway I'll try to put a bit more meat in it by digging, but the main gist is down and I am sticking to it.

Didnt antifa get destroyed?

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Postby Some Founder » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:35 pm

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1) "Don’t condemn a particular philosophy, condemn the in-game actions of the specific nation that holds that philosophy."

This seems like you're bashing anti-fascism:

ACKNOWLEDGING North Korea’s position of anti-fascism, and it’s attempt to combat fascism has turned it into a large empire spanning over a thousand regions indirectly connected to it, blocking others from using those region’s name merely in the name of “anti-fascism,”


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AWARE of North Korea’s recent refounding of Slavya, a long time regional community that once had up to 150 nations, had denied that region’s previous founder a chance to refound the region, securing it under their control,


Many other regions, including yours, have done the same thing and gotten away with it. Does that mean that we ought to condemn such regions?

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Postby Godless Munky » Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:59 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:
The Security Council,

UNDERSTANDING that North Korea is a region dedicated to the principles of "Anti-Imperialism, Anti-Colonialism, [and] Self Determination,”

ACKNOWLEDGING North Korea’s position of anti-fascism, and it’s attempt to combat fascism has turned it into a large empire spanning over a thousand regions indirectly connected to it, blocking others from using those region’s name merely in the name of “anti-fascism,”

AWARE of North Korea’s recent refounding of Slavya, a long time regional community that once had up to 150 nations, had denied that region’s previous founder a chance to refound the region, securing it under their control,

APPALLED that North Korea’s sole motivation in keeping Slavya is due to their belief that freedom of speech and association shouldn’t apply to Slavyans, and that their ideas of what freedom is must be imposed on other regions under the guise of anti-fascism,

BELIEVING that by occupying Slavya, North Korea violates the principles that they claim they are dedicated to,

Hereby CONDEMNS North Korea.


Rought draft #2, actually. First attempt of drafting a condemnation, so if you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.


Let me get this straight. You want to condemn North Korea for doing to Slavya the exact same thing that your region, Libertatem, did to The Cooperative Union. If I didn't know better, I'd assume you were bored and wrote this as a joke.

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:02 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:
The Security Council,

UNDERSTANDING that North Korea is a region dedicated to the principles of "Anti-Imperialism, Anti-Colonialism, [and] Self Determination,”

ACKNOWLEDGING North Korea’s position of anti-fascism, and it’s attempt to combat fascism has turned it into a large empire spanning over a thousand regions indirectly connected to it, blocking others from using those region’s name merely in the name of “anti-fascism,”

AWARE of North Korea’s recent refounding of Slavya, a long time regional community that once had up to 150 nations, had denied that region’s previous founder a chance to refound the region, securing it under their control,

APPALLED that North Korea’s sole motivation in keeping Slavya is due to their belief that freedom of speech and association shouldn’t apply to Slavyans, and that their ideas of what freedom is must be imposed on other regions under the guise of anti-fascism,

BELIEVING that by occupying Slavya, North Korea violates the principles that they claim they are dedicated to,

Hereby CONDEMNS North Korea.


Rought draft #2, actually. First attempt of drafting a condemnation, so if you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

so you want to condemn a region just because you don't like communism?, screw you dude

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:04 pm

Godless Munky wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:
The Security Council,

UNDERSTANDING that North Korea is a region dedicated to the principles of "Anti-Imperialism, Anti-Colonialism, [and] Self Determination,”

ACKNOWLEDGING North Korea’s position of anti-fascism, and it’s attempt to combat fascism has turned it into a large empire spanning over a thousand regions indirectly connected to it, blocking others from using those region’s name merely in the name of “anti-fascism,”

AWARE of North Korea’s recent refounding of Slavya, a long time regional community that once had up to 150 nations, had denied that region’s previous founder a chance to refound the region, securing it under their control,

APPALLED that North Korea’s sole motivation in keeping Slavya is due to their belief that freedom of speech and association shouldn’t apply to Slavyans, and that their ideas of what freedom is must be imposed on other regions under the guise of anti-fascism,

BELIEVING that by occupying Slavya, North Korea violates the principles that they claim they are dedicated to,

Hereby CONDEMNS North Korea.


Rought draft #2, actually. First attempt of drafting a condemnation, so if you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.


Let me get this straight. You want to condemn North Korea for doing to Slavya the exact same thing that your region, Libertatem, did to The Cooperative Union. If I didn't know better, I'd assume you were bored and wrote this as a joke.

yeah that too, WTF is this hypocrisy?

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Postby Chester Pearson » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:15 pm

Havenburgh wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:Besides highlighting what is to me a major dick move on a region that cannot be liberated or restored, I am also attempting to highlight the sheer mass hypocrisy of North Korea. I could probably talk all day about how NK is a participant in Antifa and goes around attacking anyone who they perceive as fascist, but as shown before the Security Council doesn't really seem interested in condemning Antifa, despite refounding regions having much more permanent actions than simple invasions by TBR and the liberations that usually follow.

Besides, imo Macedon had been condemned for a lot less. Bright orange, really?

Anyway I'll try to put a bit more meat in it by digging, but the main gist is down and I am sticking to it.

Didnt antifa get destroyed?



If they did, the beer is on me for the celebration we need to have.....
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Postby Republic of Minerva » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:18 pm

I am condemning for actions. The rhetoric of antifascism has lead TO that clause, ...has turned it into a large empire spanning over a thousand regions indirectly connected to it, blocking others from using those region’s name...

The only regions that I know that currently refound en masse, alongside doing large scale invasions are TRF, Antifa, and what used to be Right Wing Uprising and it's member regions, two of the latter which had been condemned at some point, and not for Nazism being a vile ideology. I could, and I probably would add a clause solidifying my claim to point out that North Korea has taken part in such large scale invasions (benecap), however that would probably justify something more since none of the other regions are condemned for that action alone. Yet the conscious usurping of a region that as I and the international community is concerned, 1.) not applicable with the principles that defines the region (negative hypocrisy), 2.) backtracking on a "good deed" of sorts due to the imposition of values upon another region and 3.) clearly causing great stress for another region's natives in the same manner that a TBR esque invasion would accomplish.

My position, loyalties, and location is irrelevant to this condemnation. If you want to do the same thing to the regions I reside in, go ahead, nobody is stopping you. But at the moment I am acting as a sympathetic independent individual to Slavija, I am even residing there on another puppet currently.
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Postby Godless Munky » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:25 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:I am condemning for actions. The rhetoric of antifascism has lead TO that clause, ...has turned it into a large empire spanning over a thousand regions indirectly connected to it, blocking others from using those region’s name...

The only regions that I know that currently refound en masse, alongside doing large scale invasions are TRF, Antifa, and what used to be Right Wing Uprising and it's member regions, two of the latter which had been condemned at some point, and not for Nazism being a vile ideology. I could, and I probably would add a clause solidifying my claim to point out that North Korea has taken part in such large scale invasions (benecap), however that would probably justify something more since none of the other regions are condemned for that action alone. Yet the conscious usurping of a region that as I and the international community is concerned, 1.) not applicable with the principles that defines the region (negative hypocrisy), 2.) backtracking on a "good deed" of sorts due to the imposition of values upon another region and 3.) clearly causing great stress for another region's natives in the same manner that a TBR esque invasion would accomplish.

My position, loyalties, and location is irrelevant to this condemnation. If you want to do the same thing to the regions I reside in, go ahead, nobody is stopping you. But at the moment I am acting as a sympathetic independent individual to Slavija, I am even residing there on another puppet currently.


Blah blah blah, your a hypocritical raider who is just trying to make a pitiful jab at a more successful region with an ideology your opposed to.

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Postby Republic of Minerva » Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:28 pm

Godless Munky wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:I am condemning for actions. The rhetoric of antifascism has lead TO that clause, ...has turned it into a large empire spanning over a thousand regions indirectly connected to it, blocking others from using those region’s name...

The only regions that I know that currently refound en masse, alongside doing large scale invasions are TRF, Antifa, and what used to be Right Wing Uprising and it's member regions, two of the latter which had been condemned at some point, and not for Nazism being a vile ideology. I could, and I probably would add a clause solidifying my claim to point out that North Korea has taken part in such large scale invasions (benecap), however that would probably justify something more since none of the other regions are condemned for that action alone. Yet the conscious usurping of a region that as I and the international community is concerned, 1.) not applicable with the principles that defines the region (negative hypocrisy), 2.) backtracking on a "good deed" of sorts due to the imposition of values upon another region and 3.) clearly causing great stress for another region's natives in the same manner that a TBR esque invasion would accomplish.

My position, loyalties, and location is irrelevant to this condemnation. If you want to do the same thing to the regions I reside in, go ahead, nobody is stopping you. But at the moment I am acting as a sympathetic independent individual to Slavija, I am even residing there on another puppet currently.


Blah blah blah, your a hypocritical raider who is just trying to make a pitiful jab at a more successful region with an ideology your opposed to.


Sure, but that's not what is being discussed. I left my bias at the door and used objectivity to make this condemnation with another region in mind. You however, do not seem capable of that.
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Postby Godless Munky » Sat Sep 27, 2014 9:02 pm

Republic of Minerva wrote:
Godless Munky wrote:
Blah blah blah, your a hypocritical raider who is just trying to make a pitiful jab at a more successful region with an ideology your opposed to.


Sure, but that's not what is being discussed. I left my bias at the door and used objectivity to make this condemnation with another region in mind. You however, do not seem capable of that.


Sure I'm a hypocritical raider making a pitiful jab at a more successful region because I'm opposed to their ideology. But that's not whats being discussed, we're trying to discuss the semantics of this pitiful jab.

lol, your funny. I should leave my bias at the door? This entire proposal is biased. Your wrote it completely based on your bias. But please. by all means, prove your objectivity and write up a condemnation for your own region, since your region is guilty of the same "crimes" that your accuse NK of.

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Postby Republic of Minerva » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:39 pm

Godless Munky wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:
Sure, but that's not what is being discussed. I left my bias at the door and used objectivity to make this condemnation with another region in mind. You however, do not seem capable of that.


Sure I'm a hypocritical raider making a pitiful jab at a more successful region because I'm opposed to their ideology. But that's not whats being discussed, we're trying to discuss the semantics of this pitiful jab.

lol, your funny. I should leave my bias at the door? This entire proposal is biased. Your wrote it completely based on your bias. But please. by all means, prove your objectivity and write up a condemnation for your own region, since your region is guilty of the same "crimes" that your accuse NK of.


Most of the proposals here are made because of bias. And like I said before, it's irrelevant to the proposal.

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Republic of Minerva wrote:
The Security Council,

UNDERSTANDING that North Korea is a region dedicated to the principles of "Anti-Imperialism, Anti-Colonialism, [and] Self Determination,”

ACKNOWLEDGING North Korea’s position of anti-fascism, and it’s attempt to combat fascism has turned it into a large empire spanning over a thousand regions indirectly connected to it, blocking others from using those region’s name merely in the name of “anti-fascism,”

AWARE of North Korea’s recent refounding of Slavya, a long time regional community that once had up to 150 nations, had denied that region’s previous founder a chance to refound the region, securing it under their control,

APPALLED that North Korea’s sole motivation in keeping Slavya is due to their belief that freedom of speech and association shouldn’t apply to Slavyans, and that their ideas of what freedom is must be imposed on other regions under the guise of anti-fascism,

BELIEVING that by occupying Slavya, North Korea violates the principles that they claim they are dedicated to,

Hereby CONDEMNS North Korea.


Rought draft #2, actually. First attempt of drafting a condemnation, so if you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

so you want to condemn a region just because you don't like communism?, screw you dude


I never once mentioned communism in the proposal.
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Postby Crazy girl » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:25 am

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote: screw you dude



Knock it off.

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Postby Central Asian Republics » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:05 am

Republic of Minerva wrote:
The Security Council,

UNDERSTANDING that North Korea is a region dedicated to the principles of "Anti-Imperialism, Anti-Colonialism, [and] Self Determination,”

ACKNOWLEDGING North Korea’s position of anti-fascism, and it’s attempt to combat fascism has turned it into a large empire spanning over a thousand regions indirectly connected to it, blocking others from using those region’s name merely in the name of “anti-fascism,”

AWARE of North Korea’s recent refounding of Slavya, a long time regional community that once had up to 150 nations, had denied that region’s previous founder a chance to refound the region, securing it under their control,

APPALLED that North Korea’s sole motivation in keeping Slavya is due to their belief that freedom of speech and association shouldn’t apply to Slavyans, and that their ideas of what freedom is must be imposed on other regions under the guise of anti-fascism,

BELIEVING that by occupying Slavya, North Korea violates the principles that they claim they are dedicated to,

Hereby CONDEMNS North Korea.


Rought draft #2, actually. First attempt of drafting a condemnation, so if you have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

What a hypocrite! You condemn someone for refounding a region, yet you're in Libertatem, a region who refounded The Cooperative Union, the former home of the The League of Reformed Socialist States

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Postby Havenburgh » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:09 am

Chester Pearson wrote:
Havenburgh wrote:Didnt antifa get destroyed?

They were not destroyed, but their inactivity has severly increased to a crippleing affect. And their army is retired, vipertooth almost dead as a doornail. No post on the rmb for two weeks... We should just finish the job. Guess beers on you mate


if they did, the beer is on me for the celebration we need to have.....


Also, I am very good freind of Altaslavia, the founder of the coopertive union. I was there when they split from UCR. i am still freonds with the lot of them. So watch what you say...

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Postby Sklavinia » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:01 am

Don't let your own opinions on the writer of this condemnation, his actions, his region, or his allegiances get in the way of what is important. The North Koreans have blatantly stolen our region, a region we had plans to refound. Their attempt to justify it was under the pretense of "preventing it from falling into fascist and capitalist hands", a flimsy excuse at best. Attempts to negotiate for it's return peacefully ended abruptly when they became aware of our "anybody but Nazis is welcome" policy, which allows people THEY dislike, such as capitalists and fascist and other non-Lefitsts, to reside within our region so long as they do not cause trouble.

Learning this, they ultimately decided that our own region should not belong to us simply because we believe in freedom of speech and thought. They then proceeded to use every insult they could think of as an excuse to prevent our region from returning to us, lying to their own members about our alignment, hypocritically citing we're a "liberal" and a "homophobic fascist" region. None of which has any real basis. Before they decided to suspend negotiations, I had made it clear to them prior that we have capitalists (such as myself) and fascists in our region. Such information was apparently ignored until they needed a new excuse to prevent Slavya's return to it's rightful owners.

North Korea is quite clearly a hypocritical region full of imperialists and liars who will cling to whatever opportunity they have to grow and prosper. It is for this that they must be condemned. We did not ask them to steal our region, nor did they bother to ask us to refound it for us. I honestly don't care about the R/D game, or regional alignment or whatever, I just want our region back in our hands, and it's thieves to be recognized as such. Unfortunately it seems neither will be happening.
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Postby Central Asian Republics » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:26 am

Godless Munky wrote:Let me get this straight. You want to condemn North Korea for doing to Slavya the exact same thing that your region, Libertatem, did to The Cooperative Union. If I didn't know better, I'd assume you were bored and wrote this as a joke.

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