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Postby Communist Victoria » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:00 am

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Communist Victoria wrote:Well apparently circumsision leads to better health and (removed in case of mod intervention) but I dont see the point. Female circumsision I am against, as it is practically mutilation.

Wrong on both counts. Circumcision does not lead to better health, except in very specific and rare instances. It is also mutilation, as female circumcision is. If you are against FGM for that reason, then you should be against male circumcision for the same reason.


Seems logical. But what about circumscision for medical reasons (male)
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Postby Lamaredia » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:36 am

Communist Victoria wrote:
Camicon wrote:Wrong on both counts. Circumcision does not lead to better health, except in very specific and rare instances. It is also mutilation, as female circumcision is. If you are against FGM for that reason, then you should be against male circumcision for the same reason.


Seems logical. But what about circumscision for medical reasons (male)

There's a difference between medical circumcision and cultural/religious/aesthetic circumcision.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:38 am

Communist Victoria wrote:
Camicon wrote:Wrong on both counts. Circumcision does not lead to better health, except in very specific and rare instances. It is also mutilation, as female circumcision is. If you are against FGM for that reason, then you should be against male circumcision for the same reason.


Seems logical. But what about circumscision for medical reasons (male)

Circumcision for legitimately pressing medical issues, or for men who have chosen it for themselves, is 100% acceptable.
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Postby Kiruri » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:41 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Communist Victoria wrote:
Seems logical. But what about circumscision for medical reasons (male)

Circumcision for legitimately pressing medical issues, or for men who have chosen it for themselves, is 100% acceptable.

This is my take on things as well.
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Postby Cill Airne » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:27 am

Personally, I am against circumcision. Now, if one consents to it then it is fine, but I do not support the circumcision of babies and infants.


From a religious perspective, khitan (circumcision in Islam) is not mentioned in the Qur'an, but some fiqh scholars (that is, those who study the jurisprudence of Islamic law) state it is sunnah (recommended/tradition) as it honours the Covenant of Ibrahim (Abraham) (AS). Khitan is, however, found in a hadith. Now, as the Qur'an states, "There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was the Qur'an a narration invented, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe." (12:111), I do not believe it should be mandatory (as some Muslims feel). And if we, humanity, were created perfectly ("We have certainly created man in the best of stature" - Qur'an 95:4) then why would me change how Allah SWT created us? Now, I wont go so far as to say it is Haram (sin) like some Qur'anist only Muslims do, but I do not think it is mandatory like other Muslims do.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:48 am

Cill Airne wrote:Personally, I am against circumcision. Now, if one consents to it then it is fine, but I do not support the circumcision of babies and infants.


From a religious perspective, khitan (circumcision in Islam) is not mentioned in the Qur'an, but some fiqh scholars (that is, those who study the jurisprudence of Islamic law) state it is sunnah (recommended/tradition) as it honours the Covenant of Ibrahim (Abraham) (AS). Khitan is, however, found in a hadith. Now, as the Qur'an states, "There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was the Qur'an a narration invented, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe." (12:111), I do not believe it should be mandatory (as some Muslims feel). And if we, humanity, were created perfectly ("We have certainly created man in the best of stature" - Qur'an 95:4) then why would me change how Allah SWT created us? Now, I wont go so far as to say it is Haram (sin) like some Qur'anist only Muslims do, but I do not think it is mandatory like other Muslims do.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:50 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:Personally, I am against circumcision. Now, if one consents to it then it is fine, but I do not support the circumcision of babies and infants.


From a religious perspective, khitan (circumcision in Islam) is not mentioned in the Qur'an, but some fiqh scholars (that is, those who study the jurisprudence of Islamic law) state it is sunnah (recommended/tradition) as it honours the Covenant of Ibrahim (Abraham) (AS). Khitan is, however, found in a hadith. Now, as the Qur'an states, "There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was the Qur'an a narration invented, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe." (12:111), I do not believe it should be mandatory (as some Muslims feel). And if we, humanity, were created perfectly ("We have certainly created man in the best of stature" - Qur'an 95:4) then why would me change how Allah SWT created us? Now, I wont go so far as to say it is Haram (sin) like some Qur'anist only Muslims do, but I do not think it is mandatory like other Muslims do.

... are you a Muslim??? I was under the impression you were a priest or something.

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:51 am

Norstal wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:... are you a Muslim??? I was under the impression you were a priest or something.

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Postby Cill Airne » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:54 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Cill Airne wrote:Personally, I am against circumcision. Now, if one consents to it then it is fine, but I do not support the circumcision of babies and infants.


From a religious perspective, khitan (circumcision in Islam) is not mentioned in the Qur'an, but some fiqh scholars (that is, those who study the jurisprudence of Islamic law) state it is sunnah (recommended/tradition) as it honours the Covenant of Ibrahim (Abraham) (AS). Khitan is, however, found in a hadith. Now, as the Qur'an states, "There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was the Qur'an a narration invented, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe." (12:111), I do not believe it should be mandatory (as some Muslims feel). And if we, humanity, were created perfectly ("We have certainly created man in the best of stature" - Qur'an 95:4) then why would me change how Allah SWT created us? Now, I wont go so far as to say it is Haram (sin) like some Qur'anist only Muslims do, but I do not think it is mandatory like other Muslims do.

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:55 am

Cill Airne wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:... are you a Muslim??? I was under the impression you were a priest or something.
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Postby Mons Garle » Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:28 pm

Kiruri wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:Circumcision for legitimately pressing medical issues, or for men who have chosen it for themselves, is 100% acceptable.

This is my take on things as well.


Absolutely. The difference is when there's no medical necessity and no choice on the part of the person being circumcised is involved.
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Postby Naedor » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:33 pm

Perfectly alright. I hear it can reduce the likelihood of certain diseases. Don't quote me on that, though.
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Postby Naxalistan » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:48 pm

Naedor wrote:Perfectly alright.


Perfectly alright to mutilate somebody's genitals for cultural reasons when they are incapable of giving consent to such a procedure?

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Postby Naedor » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:13 am

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Naedor wrote:Perfectly alright.


Perfectly alright to mutilate somebody's genitals for cultural reasons when they are incapable of giving consent to such a procedure?

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"Mutilate somebody's genitals" implies that the foreskin is actually a necessary organ.
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Postby Ragnarokee » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:15 am

Foreskin is their for a reason.. it's a form of protection.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:19 am

Naedor wrote:
Naxalistan wrote:
Perfectly alright to mutilate somebody's genitals for cultural reasons when they are incapable of giving consent to such a procedure?

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"Mutilate somebody's genitals" implies that the foreskin is actually a necessary organ.


Nope, it just implies damage. Or that it makes a penis uglier.
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Postby Herastadt » Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:37 am

I think it is definitely something that should require consent from the person being circumcised. I am strongly opposed to the idea of parents having this done to their kids for whatever reason when they can't even give an informed opinion on what is actually going on. I get that this is basically telling several religious traditions "nah fuck off", but I find it ethically and morally wrong to do that to some poor kid who doesn't know what they're in for.

However, when it comes to people who can actually can, and do give consent for this sort of thing; then I have no problems with it.
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