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NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

Postby The Kievan People » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:36 pm

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Q: What is the purpose of the thread?
A: The purpose of the thread is to provide informed feedback on in character military matters from a realistic perspective. If you have a military question this is the place for it.

Q: What is proper etiquette for raising questions or commenting?
A: First and foremost, we approach all issues from a realistic perspective. Even rations. Realistic does not mean hard MT. But it does mean verifiable. If you post a question and it is blatantly unrealistic, you will be informed. If you post a comment and it is blatantly unrealistic, you will be informed. Do not take this personally. If you cannot or will not accept something is unrealistic then this is not the correct thread for discussing it.

Second we encourage critical discussion. As long as the above is remembered you are free to rebut, critique and dissent to your hearts content. There is no official thread line and no formal hierarchy. Do not hesitate to speak your mind. But remember this street runs two ways: Just as you may critique others, others may critique you. If you are not comfortable seeing your idea critiqued think twice before you post it. Because it will probably happen.

Q: I'm new!
A: Great! If you are new to ns, new to MT or just feel you don't know much about military topics, you are definitely welcome to participate here. You might even learn something!

Just remember that when you begin exploring a new topic you will have some preconceived notions of what that topic is about. Many of those notions will be wrong and you will be forced to re-examine things you thought you knew. This is not a bad thing by any means but being told the awesome military factbook you wrote is not only not right, it's not even wrong can be understandably painful. But we, the thread, are here to help you. And we do in fact like discussing these topics and fielding questions.

Q: FanT? FT?
A: If you want to discuss something that is inherently unrealistic (FanT) or semi-realistic (Far FT) in a realistic way, that's cool. Just remember we emphasize the realism.

Q: Are there any resources you can recommend?
A: The latest version of the official NS Military Realism Calculator PackTM can be found here.

The authoritative Capabilities of Nuclear Weapons can be found here and here in two parts.
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Postby Lyras » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:39 pm

I look forward to better OP. With baited breath, even...
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Postby New Vihenia » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:40 pm

pffft..Lazy :p

Anyway, how small one can make radar seeker ? Or is it economic to do so for hmm AGM-176 Griffin like missile.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:41 pm

About time Kyiv got OP.
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Postby Themiclesia » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:42 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:About time Kyiv got OP.

Agreed.

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Postby Versail » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:44 pm

Would something like this be plausible?
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Postby New Vihenia » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:49 pm

Versail wrote:Would something like this be plausible?
http://www.ign.com/wikis/ghost-recon-fu ... ier/Sensor


Looks legit. This can be implemented with friendly soldier wearing IFF gear and some sort of digital presentation device (HUD) in helmet.

Nonetheless it still need positive identification on target (by soldier look at it) because anyone does not wear IFF device cannot always be considered enemy.
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Postby Vancon » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:51 pm

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Postby The Kievan People » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:29 pm

New Vihenia wrote:pffft..Lazy :p

Anyway, how small one can make radar seeker ? Or is it economic to do so for hmm AGM-176 Griffin like missile.


>:(

Pretty small.
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Postby Organized States » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:32 pm

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Postby New Vihenia » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:33 pm

The Kievan People wrote: >:(

Pretty small.


Sorry :hug:

Now i really want to turn every FFAR into radar guided missile :p
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Postby Lamoni » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:35 pm

Lyras wrote:I look forward to better OP. With baited breath, even...


I agree with this. Also, it is about time that you got this "honor," Kiev.
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Postby Vancon » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:12 am

Is there ea place in the world for massive desert transport vehicles on tracks like these: Sand Steamer; Sand crawler
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Postby New Vihenia » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:18 am

Vancon wrote:Is there ea place in the world for massive desert transport vehicles on tracks like these: Sand Steamer; Sand crawler


Our desert are simply too small to justify such massive behemoth.

Perhaps if our planet's ocean become desert..Then it might have a chance.
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Postby Padnak » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:01 am

Only solution, obviously




Continuing the battleship discussion from last thread, I'm planning on having a class of "fat" battleships based around extremely thick armor and a very wide body to carry a huge amount of guns at the expense of speed and agility. They would probably be from the mid-20s and would have extremely wide torpedo belts and would generally be quite antiquated looking-

What sort of problems would you encounter with a design with this? This isn't supposed to be the ideal battleship, just a stepping stone design created while the nation experimented with different battleship designs and doctrines.
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Postby Kouralia » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:10 am

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The Kievan People wrote:Q: Anything off limits?
A: In short anything which cannot be evaluated with physics. Soft FT, anything which would fall under the label alternate tech (steampunk, magitech etc), actual magic, psychic powers. Things which fall under these labels are unrealistic at birth and it is neither possible or productive to spend time discussing their realism.

I refute that discussion as to realistic applications of FanT elements should be off limits: there's precedent for its discussion here.
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Postby The Kievan People » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:13 am

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Did somebody mention IIR Hydra rocket?
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Postby The Kievan People » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:18 am

Re: FanT

New management 8)

I will consider rewording it.
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Postby New Vihenia » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:20 am

The Kievan People wrote:(Image)

Did somebody mention IIR Hydra rocket?


Ok now i really buy into it.

Mix between Radar and IR guided podded rocket :3
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:22 am

New Vihenia wrote:
Vancon wrote:Is there ea place in the world for massive desert transport vehicles on tracks like these: Sand Steamer; Sand crawler


Our desert are simply too small to justify such massive behemoth.

Perhaps if our planet's ocean become desert..Then it might have a chance.

Even then, a fleet of smaller vehicles would likely be more practical.
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Postby Proskoya » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:24 am

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I know this is such a normal question and should probably be incorporated into the OP, but what is the maximum amount of men I can have in my military? I think I remember it being only a VERY small number but I also want to know how conscription effects that number.

If I take all the land that I occupy and add up the populations there, I get around 12,313,600 people. I plan on having a minimum 1.5 year conscription for all males of military age (16).
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Postby The Kievan People » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:37 am

During WWII the Soviet military peaked at 6% of the population and it was probably close the absolute limit of what they could support in a total war situation.

The normal rule of thumb is no more than 3 or 4% of the population in uniform. At most. Peacetime armies very rarely reach 2%.
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Postby Yukonastan » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:41 am

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If we assume that somehow it works, (say werewolves in a semi-hard post-past tech setting), it is still permissible to discuss it, right?
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Postby Yukonastan » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:42 am

Dewhurst-Narculis wrote:
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Welp. Five hundred already.
See y'all in the next one!

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To finsih up and hopefully continue onto the next one, Southern Pirates/Tarkan mentioned a lightly armoured car that could drive on water in one of his rps, that with a small run-up, could build up the momentum and with great fat tyres, skim along the surface of relatively flat water. Is this feasible for presumably >5t vehicle?


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Beat me to it :p Thanks (+tag)
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