Smacking Your Children is Good For Them

[Soldati Senza Confini]

yeah taking away privileges does work for a lot of kids, unless yo can't take anything away from them.
My parents are too lazy to do anything anymore. So, my sister grounds me whenever I'm being an idiot (she grounds me for the smallest reasons tbh) and I guess that does work for me.
But honestly, if my parents hadn't beaten me when I was a little girl, I wouldn't be as well behaved as I am now. But my sister needs to take care of me more often now.

The removal of privileges is not the sole non-battery means of discipline available to a parent. Extra chores, apology letters, and writing lines come to mind.

You don't know a child who tries to cheat the system then

And extra chores? REALLY?! Chores, at least the way I grew up, were to be expected for us to participate after a certain age. I certainly never saw that as a punishment.

[Scomagia]

The removal of privileges is not the sole non-battery means of discipline available to a parent. Extra chores, apology letters, and writing lines come to mind.

You don't know a child who tries to cheat the system then

And extra chores? REALLY?! Chores, at least the way I grew up, were to be expected for us to participate after a certain age. I certainly never saw that as a punishment.

Apology letters can be faked, sure, but how does one cheat writing lines?

As for chores, that's the reason I added the word "extra".

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

Me and my little brothers were only ever smacked around the legs when we were being loud and distracting in the car. The parent who wasn't driving would do it. But this was rarely and really, what else can you do? The harshest punishment was the time my dad threw my PS2 on the back garden and smashed it with a sledge hammer because I didn't do my homework. That really did work.

So to sum it up, I don't think slapping your kid really works. Considering what my dad was like as a kid as well.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You don't know a child who tries to cheat the system then

And extra chores? REALLY?! Chores, at least the way I grew up, were to be expected for us to participate after a certain age. I certainly never saw that as a punishment.

Apology letters can be faked, sure, but how does one cheat writing lines?

As for chores, that's the reason I added the word "extra".

I'm...not exactly sure I saw extra chores as punishment, really. Perhaps it's the spontaneous nature of my dad too; because he had us do all sorts of things and extra stuff and we never really saw it as punishment.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Me and my little brothers were only ever smacked around the legs when we were being loud and distracting in the car. The parent who wasn't driving would do it. But this was rarely and really, what else can you do? The harshest punishment was the time my dad threw my PS2 on the back garden and smashed it with a sledge hammer because I didn't do my homework. That really did work.

So to sum it up, I don't think slapping your kid really works. Considering what my dad was like as a kid as well.

That sums up more or less my experience with my dad as well

[Scomagia]

Apology letters can be faked, sure, but how does one cheat writing lines?

As for chores, that's the reason I added the word "extra".

I'm...not exactly sure I saw extra chores as punishment, really. Perhaps it's the spontaneous nature of my dad too; because he had us do all sorts of things and extra stuff and we never really saw it as punishment.

Well see, extra chores only work in a home where the amount of chores and the duration a fixed and consistent. If you're all over the map with them in the first place, it's not really going to be effective. This goes back to what I was saying before, proper discipline begins very early on and requires fairness, reciprocity, and consistency.

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

Me and my little brothers were only ever smacked around the legs when we were being loud and distracting in the car. The parent who wasn't driving would do it. But this was rarely and really, what else can you do? The harshest punishment was the time my dad threw my PS2 on the back garden and smashed it with a sledge hammer because I didn't do my homework. That really did work.

So to sum it up, I don't think slapping your kid really works. Considering what my dad was like as a kid as well.

That sums up more or less my experience with my dad as well

There's nothing that gets the message across like a sledgehammer to the PS2 xP

[Scomagia]

Me and my little brothers were only ever smacked around the legs when we were being loud and distracting in the car. The parent who wasn't driving would do it. But this was rarely and really, what else can you do? The harshest punishment was the time my dad threw my PS2 on the back garden and smashed it with a sledge hammer because I didn't do my homework. That really did work.

So to sum it up, I don't think slapping your kid really works. Considering what my dad was like as a kid as well.

There's a lot that you can do in that situation that doesn't involve battery. First, you establish a reward/punishment system for good behavior and misbehavior. Second, you adhere to it.

[Scomagia]

That sums up more or less my experience with my dad as well

There's nothing that gets the message across like a sledgehammer to the PS2 xP

It's extreme but it does get the point across. I can't imagine destroying something that I paid for to make a point, but it's not the worst solution.

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

Me and my little brothers were only ever smacked around the legs when we were being loud and distracting in the car. The parent who wasn't driving would do it. But this was rarely and really, what else can you do? The harshest punishment was the time my dad threw my PS2 on the back garden and smashed it with a sledge hammer because I didn't do my homework. That really did work.

So to sum it up, I don't think slapping your kid really works. Considering what my dad was like as a kid as well.

There's a lot that you can do in that situation that doesn't involve battery. First, you establish a reward/punishment system for good behavior and misbehavior. Second, you adhere to it.

Oh they did warn us multiple times before hand. We kept doing it anyway though for some reason.

There's nothing that gets the message across like a sledgehammer to the PS2 xP

It's extreme but it does get the point across. I can't imagine destroying something that I paid for to make a point, but it's not the worst solution.

He did say that if I began doing my homework he would buy me a new one so that's probably what really made me do it but he threatened to smash the thing again if I stopped doing it again. He never messed about when it came to punishment. And they were usually really creative.

[Britanno]

I got tired of being hit for no reason and eventually let my bottled up fury out on my father.

We both got pretty badly hurt in the scuffle, but I made my point.

The hits I got aren't the only reason I don't talk to my Dad, but they certainly never made the situation better. They pushed me to leave home ASAP, and I didn't want to keep in touch. He humiliated me as a kid, and even though it's wrong, I actually feel better when I hear he's sad about our lack of communication.

[Britanno]

I got smacked and it only made me hate and ignore my family more.

But the smacking (not abuse) is not the reason.

And you'd know that after playing a major part in my life and being there to analyse me for the last 25 years?

You're right by thinking that it isn't the sole justification, but it helped. My parents were cunts anyway, but I think of them as violent cunts.

[Dalcaria]

Just want to make a point here, I was considering suicide as a child BECAUSE I was "smacked" by my father. This man's an idiot, and I'm going to step away from being politically correct and say that I would have this man executed by firing squad. He should be glad I'm not in power in his country.

The quotation marks in your "smacked" suggests that, as commonly accepted in much of this debate, what you mean by "smack" is actually "child abuse"....

When I think "smack", I think child abuse, so yes. But regardless, hitting a child rarely gets a positive end result because your child doesn't understand what they did wrong, so either you've abused them and you'll ruin their life, or you didn't abuse them (sticking to spankings say) and they don't change their attitude.

[Dalcaria]

Just want to make a point here, I was considering suicide as a child BECAUSE I was "smacked" by my father. This man's an idiot, and I'm going to step away from being politically correct and say that I would have this man executed by firing squad. He should be glad I'm not in power in his country.

Executed by firing squad? Isn't that just a little harsh?

The anti-smacking law is to blame for youth suicide, youth prostitution and even sexually-transmitted infections

This level of stupidity isn't just stupid, it's dangerous, to children and to society. Speaking from my head I wouldn't execute the guy, speaking from my heart I'd do the deed myself if needed.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The quotation marks in your "smacked" suggests that, as commonly accepted in much of this debate, what you mean by "smack" is actually "child abuse"....

When I think "smack", I think child abuse, so yes. But regardless, hitting a child rarely gets a positive end result because your child doesn't understand what they did wrong, so either you've abused them and you'll ruin their life, or you didn't abuse them (sticking to spankings say) and they don't change their attitude.

Yea, my dad spanked me but I was never abused by him.

The spanking wasn't what the thinng I was concerned about, it was the warning or the verbal smackdown by my dad. But I was never spanked daily, no. Years would pass even before any warnings would come our way.

[United States of The One Percent]

There is a philosophy, if one can call it that, of parenting / managing / governing that holds that children / employees / citizens need to be forced to do what is good for them. This is the attitude that supports corporal punishment / management by fear / state terrorism / might-makes-right foreign policy.

There is a different (imo superior) philosophy that holds that, working together, we can work toward and arrive at useful goals such as well-adjusted, autonomous adults / reasonable profits / orderly, productive societies with a minimal amount of force or coercion. This is the attitude that supports reasoning with other individuals, honoring their viewpoints and, if need be, convincing them that a different approach would better fulfill their own needs as well as the good of the family / enterprise / state / world.

99 and 44/100 % of human history has been the story of the unending contest between these two points of view. The thrust of human history has been that the latter will prevail, if ever so slowly. Too slowly.

[ALMF]

There is a philosophy, if one can call it that, of parenting / managing / governing that holds that children / employees / citizens need to be forced to do what is good for them. This is the attitude that supports corporal punishment / management by fear / state terrorism / might-makes-right foreign policy.

There is a different (imo superior) philosophy that holds that, working together, we can work toward and arrive at useful goals such as well-adjusted, autonomous adults / reasonable profits / orderly, productive societies with a minimal amount of force or coercion. This is the attitude that supports reasoning with other individuals, honoring their viewpoints and, if need be, convincing them that a different approach would better fulfill their own needs as well as the good of the family / enterprise / state / world.

99 and 44/100 % of human history has been the story of the unending contest between these two points of view. The thrust of human history has been that the latter will prevail, if ever so slowly. Too slowly.

The first (generally with exceptions) is what we call. This gives us a bases of "those who wold tend to abuse" and "elements of police culture" in my previous post. Just as children need protected from sex offenders, they need to be protected from 1st category managers including, but not limited to, caretakers.

[Zelacraux]

yeah taking away privileges does work for a lot of kids, unless yo can't take anything away from them.
My parents are too lazy to do anything anymore. So, my sister grounds me whenever I'm being an idiot (she grounds me for the smallest reasons tbh) and I guess that does work for me.
But honestly, if my parents hadn't beaten me when I was a little girl, I wouldn't be as well behaved as I am now. But my sister needs to take care of me more often now.

The removal of privileges is not the sole non-battery means of discipline available to a parent. Extra chores, apology letters, and writing lines come to mind.

That wouldn't have changed my mind about studying at all (as a child). In fact, I would have done anything other than study.

[Vasatra]

Said every conservative capitalist politician ever.

Also every communist/socialist politician ever, and a lot of liberals (Including the originator of the quote, JFK). I have no idea where you're coming from with that quote.

iirc, the quote (or at least the original, from which it was paraphrased) originated with Hoover, but its concept goes back much farther. Until fairly recently, all governments felt the people existed to serve them.

[Scomagia]

The removal of privileges is not the sole non-battery means of discipline available to a parent. Extra chores, apology letters, and writing lines come to mind.

That wouldn't have changed my mind about studying at all (as a child). In fact, I would have done anything other than study.

Arguably related to how you've been parented up till now, not really a failure of the methods themselves.

[Vasatra]

Just to make the people who think hitting their kids is a good idea:
First, they chose your nursing home. Second, elder abuse is more common towards parents who hit their kids.

[Glorious Freedonia]

The quotation marks in your "smacked" suggests that, as commonly accepted in much of this debate, what you mean by "smack" is actually "child abuse"....

When I think "smack", I think child abuse, so yes. But regardless, hitting a child rarely gets a positive end result because your child doesn't understand what they did wrong, so either you've abused them and you'll ruin their life, or you didn't abuse them (sticking to spankings say) and they don't change their attitude.

You are one of those connotations people. Well now, you can take your connotations and you can go and insert them wherever you like. I recommend the toilet accompanied with a good flush.