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Postby Zeouria » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:02 pm

Quite a while back I had made a thread entitled "Moral Nihilism", which states morality is subjective. The majority of everyone agreed.

But, what is your morality? How does it differ forms others'.

My morality is the basically accepted morality in the west, but with a bit of an extreme twist. I believe selflessness is morally good, and greed is morally bad. Coercion, I believe, is morally bad, and voluntary and egalitarian social relationships are good.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:04 pm

I'm a Secular Humanist and Utilitarian I suppose.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:06 pm

My morals are simply what I feel is right and wrong. Don't really have a name for it.
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Postby Blekksprutia » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:08 pm

My morality is to be a decent human being? I don't think there's a name for it.
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Postby Arkolon » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:09 pm

Morality is subjective, but ethics is not.

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Postby Kengran » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:10 pm

Blekksprutia wrote:My morality is to be a decent human being? I don't think there's a name for it.

Decenthumanbeingmorality.

NEO Rome Republic wrote:My morals are simply what I feel is right and wrong. Don't really have a name for it.

Yourownfeelingsonwhatisrightandwhatiswrongmorality.



As of mine?... Well, I can do anything if it doesn't harm anyone. If it harms anyone, I'm a bad person. D:
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Postby Arkolon » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:12 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:My morals are simply what I feel is right and wrong. Don't really have a name for it.

That's literally what morality means.
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Postby Arkolon » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:12 pm

Blekksprutia wrote:My morality is to be a decent human being? I don't think there's a name for it.

According to which principles?
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Postby Zeouria » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:14 pm

Blekksprutia wrote:My morality is to be a decent human being? I don't think there's a name for it.

That could mean anything. Being a decent human being could mean sharing with other people and having an upbeat attitude or punching the nearest child in the face.
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Postby Arkolon » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:15 pm

Zeouria wrote:
Blekksprutia wrote:My morality is to be a decent human being? I don't think there's a name for it.

That could mean anything. Being a decent human being could mean sharing with other people and having an upbeat attitude or punching the nearest child in the face.

Decency is subjective.
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Postby Zeouria » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:16 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Zeouria wrote:That could mean anything. Being a decent human being could mean sharing with other people and having an upbeat attitude or punching the nearest child in the face.

Decency is subjective.

That's kind of what I'm saying...
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Postby Arkolon » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:17 pm

Zeouria wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Decency is subjective.

That's kind of what I'm saying...

I was agreeing with you, yes.
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Postby Khelshar » Tue Aug 26, 2014 4:18 pm

My morality is that if you are truthful, you will solve and avoid most problems. However, by truthful I don't mean honest at all cost, it means that you will never betray, manipulate or pretend to be someone else. Let everyone know who you really are, and let them like you or dislike you for it. You should never use someone or exploit someone in a weak position for your own goals.

Forgiveness is the biggest virtue. I feel like I can forgive everyone, as long as they regret what they did. If someone regret their actions, they are being truthful to themselves, and is showing a weakness, thus being honest about themselves. And everyone makes mistakes, some that are big and unnecessary, but we make mistakes. Not being able to forgive will never get you anywhere.

Being kind and helpful is good, but I don't people are morally obliged to be kind. If you are an asshole, either change or just be an asshole. I wont like you, but that does not make you a bad person. It just makes you an asshole. There nothing morally wrong in that, unless you start to break with the above morals.
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Postby Zeouria » Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:31 pm

Khelshar wrote:My morality is that if you are truthful, you will solve and avoid most problems. However, by truthful I don't mean honest at all cost, it means that you will never betray, manipulate or pretend to be someone else. Let everyone know who you really are, and let them like you or dislike you for it. You should never use someone or exploit someone in a weak position for your own goals.

Forgiveness is the biggest virtue. I feel like I can forgive everyone, as long as they regret what they did. If someone regret their actions, they are being truthful to themselves, and is showing a weakness, thus being honest about themselves. And everyone makes mistakes, some that are big and unnecessary, but we make mistakes. Not being able to forgive will never get you anywhere.

Being kind and helpful is good, but I don't people are morally obliged to be kind. If you are an asshole, either change or just be an asshole. I wont like you, but that does not make you a bad person. It just makes you an asshole. There nothing morally wrong in that, unless you start to break with the above morals.

I'd agree with that.

It pisses me off when people don't forgive, when the person is obviously truthfully sorry about what they did.
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Zeouria wrote:That's kind of what I'm saying...

I was agreeing with you, yes.

Oh. :p
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Postby Digital Planets » Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:44 pm

My morality usually involve money and the highest bidder.
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Postby Rexero » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:49 pm

i. We want to stop suffering.
ii. Existential suffering is the sole universal suffering.
iii. Intersubjectivity can lessen existential suffering through empathy.
iv. Intersubjectivity requires the absence of conflict.
v. Agape eliminates conflict.
vi. Therefore, agape is good. Its absence is evil.
viii. Actions according with agape are good and actions discording with agape are evil.
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Postby The Scientific States » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:51 pm

Well, I consider myself a secular humanist, and believe in general kindness and empathy. That's my moral compass, which is essentially "Be kind, and consider the effects of your action's on others."
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Postby Arkolon » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:59 pm

Rexero wrote:i. We want to stop suffering.
ii. Existential suffering is the sole universal suffering.
iii. Intersubjectivity can lessen existential suffering through empathy.
iv. Intersubjectivity requires the absence of conflict.
v. Agape eliminates conflict.
vi. Therefore, agape is good. Its absence is evil.
viii. Actions according with agape are good and actions discording with agape are evil.

Basically, play nice.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:05 pm

Arkolon wrote:Morality is subjective, but ethics is not.

And another thread bound for the natural rights threadjack list...

There's no point in making a distinction between morality and ethics. They are Latin and Greek words, respectively, for the exact same concept. The English equivalent, which has lost much of this connotation, is "normal", though it survives in the concept of "normative".
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Postby Vecherd » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:15 pm

I generally just want to let people make up their own subjective morals and leave them to it without using coercion against them. My own morals.. I don't know. Borderline nihilism.
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Postby Burleson » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:17 pm

My morals are based on my Catholic and conservative views.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:20 pm

Do not do unto others what you would not wish done to yourself.

And just generally try to be nice, I guess.
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Postby Serrian » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:21 pm

My view on morality is quite simple: in the objective sense, it doesn't exist. Not even in the subjective sense, as most people see it.

Everyone has their own oh-so-slightly-different set of morals, and unless everyone in the world agrees that something is evil, it won't be, and the same goes for good. Hitler is only bad if the whole world agrees, but he's only good if the whole world agrees. Where does that place him? As someone who committed mass genocide. The rest is up for opinion, not determined by laws of the cosmos.

TL;DR: The cosmos does not determine what is good and bad, and thus objective morality doesn't exist.
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Postby Rexero » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:23 pm

Arkolon wrote:Basically, play nice.
There are unusual consequences to this system, mostly because it requires that ethical decisions are co-operative - so power is intrinsically evil, for example. It also makes the Sermon on the Mount be the end of ethics. Play really nice.
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Postby Computerised Equality » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:35 pm

If you take an action intending and believing that it will improve some aspect of the world, then your action is morally good.
If you take an action intending or believing that it will harm some aspect of the world, then your action is evil.
If you take an action without intending it to drastically change the world, then your action is morally neutral.

The effect of your action is entirely unrelated to the morality of the action, in my eyes. Morality should be something you think on before you take an action, not something to be applied retrospectively. There's no point in judging yourself harshly for failing to do good, other people do that for you much better than you could anyway.
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