Why the west needs to intervene in the middle east again

[Vamtrl]

I believe that the west (North America, EU) need to intervene in the middle east again to stabilize the current situation.

Christians and other minority groups and being discriminated and killed in many Arab countries, if no one can help them, I believe that it is our duty as the free world to help out those in need. No one intervened in Nazi Germany and the holocaust happened.

Thoughts, NSG?

I would say absolutely no in terms of putting boots on the ground. Us intervening will not do the middle east (which part?) any good. The US by itself lost thousands of lives and spent trillions - TRILLIONS of dollars...and what do they have to show for it in Iraq? Absolute nothing. Let them fight their on battles while we provide assistance.

[The Sotoan Union]

I don't think the west can stabilize the middle east. Why complain about America being a world police if you want them to come and fix everyone's problems.

[Rio Cana]

Some Europeans are already intervening but on the wrong side. They said on the news today that around 400 UK. Islamic and 700 French Islamic were fighting for ISIS. There were a few hundred from Germany and then from Belgium.

[Vicious Debaters]

Let's see what happens when we intervene in these places.

So we started with a bit of a dictatorial asshole.

Through heroic force of arms and a majestic effort democratizing the place, we made sure that people started taking up arms in Iraq to join an even worse asshole. And a great many soldiers/civilians/etc. died, and stuff got destroyed. Huh.

So with our heroic, rambo-esque muscles, we kept the war going and killed him and his bros off! Yahoo! Mission... accomplished?

Wait, no. Al-Qaeda was replaced by ISIS, a group so violent, so crazy that they have actually been disowned by Al-Qaeda. Too violent for the terrorists. And they're more widespread than ever. Huh.

What's the solution to ISIS? Invading again! Because if something doesn't work, we might as well try it again and again and again with the hope that eventually it quells the chaos.

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There's literally nothing worse you can do at this point than invade and put boots on the ground. Unless mass magical mind control or killing everyone in the Middle East are options, we'll just continue to dig ourselves deeper and make more Middle-Easterners join radical terrorist groups and blow themselves up. I'm not saying I have a great solution, but I sure as fuck know what would make it worse.

You could make a point for limited intervention or use of drones or whatever. But another full-on occupation? No fucking way, unless you want ISIS 2.0 to rise from the shadows as soon as we're done (expensively) getting rid of ISIS.

[Great Kleomentia]

I don't think the west can stabilize the middle east. Why complain about America being a world police if you want them to come and fix everyone's problems.

Meh, the middle east will sort itself out eventually. Who knows, one day they could be the world police. Who's the terrorist now, asshole?

[Farnhamia]

I don't think the west can stabilize the middle east. Why complain about America being a world police if you want them to come and fix everyone's problems.

Meh, the middle east will sort itself out eventually. Who knows, one day they could be the world police. Who's the terrorist now, asshole?

Asshole?

[Great Kleomentia]

Meh, the middle east will sort itself out eventually. Who knows, one day they could be the world police. Who's the terrorist now, asshole?

Asshole?

Said the world police middle east to america.
Not Great Kleomentia to the Sotoan Union.

[Farnhamia]

Asshole?

Said the world police middle east to america.
Not Great Kleomentia to the Sotoan Union.

Just checking.

[Great Kleomentia]

Said the world police middle east to america.
Not Great Kleomentia to the Sotoan Union.

Just checking.

Yeah, thanks for that. Most mods would just warn or ban me on the spot.

[The New Sea Territory]

No we fucking don't. Stop even considering this absurd idea. You really want to do this again?

[New Nassrau]

The only difference is that these guys are clearly evil! It sucks that public support is low, but ISIS is a true threat to everyone inside its territory and beyond,

[Benuty]

No we fucking don't. Stop even considering this absurd idea. You really want to do this again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY

Even though this isn't the Israel-Palestine situation specifically...I feel it still applies also who does not love death?

[Neo Rome Republic]

I think bombing ISIS would be good, as well as, possibly sending supplies to our allies in the Middle East. But other than that, no, the US should not sacrifice anymore troops to conflicts in the Middle East.

[Freiheit Reich]

A waste of time. Killing is in their blood. The only time they feel at peace is when they are at war. They believe the land is dry and it is time to irrigate the land with more blood. Guts, guts, guts makes the grass grow green.

The only way we can help them is to teach them how to play baseball. It sounds idiotic but baseball playing nations tend to be more civilized than non-baseball playing nations. Think about Asia for example. Korea, Taiwan, and Japan are powerful Asian nations and they like baseball. Iraq, Pakistan (cricket is not baseball), and Afghanistan don't play baseball and they are places where terrorist attacks are commonplace. The Dominican Republic is poor but it is MUCH better than Somalia or Afghanistan. Why? Perhaps because they chose baseball over terrorism.

Teach them baseball. They can channel their aggression while sliding into the catcher instead of blowing up a mosque or church. They won't want to blow themselves up because they will want to play a game the next day. They will have something to actually look forward to.

[Baltenstein]

If were going to intervene then there can be no half measures. Were talking boots on the ground, toppling dictators and wackos, overseeing the writing of a constitution and overseeing several elections. In the meantime training the armed forces of said intervened country to fight when we leave, policing missions ETC.

The problem of course is that this is exactly what happened in Iraq prior to the ISIS' rise.

[Tatooene]

I truly believe that this may be a situation with no correct solution. The situation will only get worse if no one intervenes, but what happens when we do intervene? There's occasionally a short, forced peacetime, then when those who don't get along still don't get along (Surprise, surprise), the situation rapidly deteriorates yet again. It boils down to this: Until those living in the Middle East can learn to tolerate those who have different ideals than them, there will be no end to the fighting. That's an area where no one, regardless of their good intentions, can help the Mid-East except the Mid-East itself.

[Baltenstein]

I don't think the west can stabilize the middle east. Why complain about America being a world police if you want them to come and fix everyone's problems.

Meh, the middle east will sort itself out eventually. Who knows, one day they could be the world police. Who's the terrorist now, asshole?

By this point, I think the time where the Middle East sorts itself out will only come once the birthrates reach 1.0 child per woman and the Jihadist factions will run out of possible recruits.