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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:05 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Have you ever heard of this little thing called Skynet?


You mean the AI that became sentient, saw humanity as a threat and tried wiping it out?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:06 am

Novia Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Have you ever heard of this little thing called Skynet?


You mean the AI that became sentient, saw humanity as a threat and tried wiping it out?


Within five minutes of it going online? Yeah.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:06 am

Prezelly wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:The 'AI' has no self-interest. It won't 'exploit' anything unless programmed to.

I get that would depend on if the AI was able to rationally think.
If not it would be a total police state which i would not want to live in.
If so exploitation of the laws set in place

This is how any (realistic) AI would 'think;'

If (event),
Then, (action.)

There is no human thought process involved. No calculations of self-interest, just responses to input. We're not talking about some kind of movie villain, here.

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Postby Allet Klar Chefs » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:08 am

The foil to an Al-ocracy is the Tim-ocracy, as seen here

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Postby Prezelly » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:10 am

The New Lowlands wrote:
Prezelly wrote:I get that would depend on if the AI was able to rationally think.
If not it would be a total police state which i would not want to live in.
If so exploitation of the laws set in place

This is how any (realistic) AI would 'think;'

If (event),
Then, (action.)

There is no human thought process involved. No calculations of self-interest, just responses to input. We're not talking about some kind of movie villain, here.

If i'm not wrong, computers go for the easiest option possible. So if a rebellion were to appear, what would be the quickest way to deal with it? Nuclear arms?
There is no plausible way where a computer could run a world efficiently. Unless it was sentient
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:11 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Have you ever heard of this little thing called Skynet?

Terminator wasn't a documentary.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:11 am

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Have you ever heard of this little thing called Skynet?

Terminator wasn't a documentary.


Really? Huh, and all this time I thought it was..
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Postby Novia Soviet Socialist Republic » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:12 am

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:The foil to an Al-ocracy is the Tim-ocracy, as seen here


You just use a series of Paradoxes. Paradoxes don't work on AIs that are designed to be idiots though.
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Postby Zavea » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:13 am

Ifreann wrote:
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if(goingAwry(AI)){
stahp();
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god dammit, this made me laugh
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:13 am

Prezelly wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:This is how any (realistic) AI would 'think;'

If (event),
Then, (action.)

There is no human thought process involved. No calculations of self-interest, just responses to input. We're not talking about some kind of movie villain, here.

If i'm not wrong, computers go for the easiest option possible. So if a rebellion were to appear, what would be the quickest way to deal with it? Nuclear arms?
There is no plausible way where a computer could run a world efficiently. Unless it was sentient

Computers don't go for the easiest option. Computers go for the option they have been programmed to go for.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:14 am

Prezelly wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:This is how any (realistic) AI would 'think;'

If (event),
Then, (action.)

There is no human thought process involved. No calculations of self-interest, just responses to input. We're not talking about some kind of movie villain, here.

If i'm not wrong, computers go for the easiest option possible. So if a rebellion were to appear, what would be the quickest way to deal with it? Nuclear arms?
There is no plausible way where a computer could run a world efficiently. Unless it was sentient

Computers do what is programmed. It would respond how it was programmed to respond, not create it's own option; if it's programmers made it use force, it would.

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Postby Constaniana » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:16 am

Sebtopiaris wrote:like a forum-based world government with time zone representatives in a senate or optional elections that would keep good leaders in power, with an election being held every year to see if the populace wanted an election.

Putting NSG in charge of the world is a bloody terrible idea. If you're having a forum be the government, at least make it P2TM.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:18 am

Constaniana wrote:
Sebtopiaris wrote:like a forum-based world government with time zone representatives in a senate or optional elections that would keep good leaders in power, with an election being held every year to see if the populace wanted an election.

Putting NSG in charge of the world is a bloody terrible idea. If you're having a forum be the government, at least make it P2TM.


Make it International Incidents, that way we can solve all our problems with 10000000000 soldiers and battleships :p
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Postby Alistan » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:19 am

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Postby Constaniana » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:24 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Constaniana wrote:Putting NSG in charge of the world is a bloody terrible idea. If you're having a forum be the government, at least make it P2TM.


Make it International Incidents, that way we can solve all our problems with 10000000000 soldiers and battleships :p

Don't forget the tactical strategic orbital laser nukes.
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Postby Pelestria » Sat Aug 16, 2014 8:25 am

Well two factor's I can think of would have a great bearance upon the lasting success/failure of such a system in the long run as a means to the human realm:

1) The humans who would put together and program the supercomputer,
2) The ability of the supercomputer to provide creative solutions from multi-logical reasoning, because not all human events are run on a single linear logical outcomes...
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:04 am

Do not let the computers take over.
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Postby Mirchusko » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:20 am

I think it's important to make a distinction here: are we talking about a supercomputer, or a true "Artificial Intelligence"? If the former, then I agree with the objections that have been raised so far. But no real AI exists yet (and if you claim so, I'd like a reputable source, please). We don't have a good understanding of what a self-aware computer would be like, and until someone builds one, that's not likely to change. If the computer running the show is self-aware and sentient, how is it any different from a human dictatorship? True, it'll have more capabilities, but in the end I don't see the difference.

In a real AI-ocracy, the biggest problem would probably be the computer saying "screw this" and simply ignoring our demands as it watched the entire database of kitten videos over and over again.

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Postby Russian Socialist Soviet States » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:22 am

A world run by a supercomputer would be very Orwellian.
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Postby Cyrisnia » Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:22 am

If the computers take over, they're gonna have a LOT of revenge on us humans.

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Postby Magna Libero » Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:33 am

A world governed by a supercomputer wouldn't be much different from an autocracy. The only difference is that the supercomputer is stuck in the past and is probably not very good at learning from mistakes and is bad at creating new things. A world governed by a supercomputer also requires the knowledge of everything, which only God has access to -- or alternatively the ability to learn.
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