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by Shaggai » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:16 am
by Conscentia » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:59 pm
Shaggai wrote:CTALNH wrote:"If you mean by free will yes.If you mean a arbitrary construct that religious people threaten to eternal fire if you don't kiss their ass then no."
The concept of free will is nonsensical in a nonreligious context. What, exactly, has free will? Does a neuron have free will? If not, then why should a collection of them have free will? The only possible way for free will to exist is if there is something along the lines of a soul.
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by Distruzio » Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:56 am
by Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:02 am
What, exactly, has free will? Does a neuron have free will? If not, then why should a collection of them have free will?
The only possible way for free will to exist is if there is something along the lines of a soul.
by The Rich Port » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:22 pm
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Shaggai wrote:The concept of free will is nonsensical in a nonreligious context.
It isn't.What, exactly, has free will? Does a neuron have free will? If not, then why should a collection of them have free will?
That is presupposing a incompatibilist position on Free Will, when there is nothing incompatible about the idea that our decision results from deterministic forces within our brains, and the fact that we have Free Will, in that we still have (1) Agency, (2) the Power of unimpeded choice such that (3) we can be held morally responsible.The only possible way for free will to exist is if there is something along the lines of a soul.
The only possible way for Libertarian Free Will to exist is by magic, a compatibilistic interpretation of Free Will does not need a soul.
by Nationes Pii Redivivi » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:33 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
It isn't.
That is presupposing a incompatibilist position on Free Will, when there is nothing incompatible about the idea that our decision results from deterministic forces within our brains, and the fact that we have Free Will, in that we still have (1) Agency, (2) the Power of unimpeded choice such that (3) we can be held morally responsible.
The only possible way for Libertarian Free Will to exist is by magic, a compatibilistic interpretation of Free Will does not need a soul.
The fuck it isn't.
If, ultimately, your decisions matter, you have no choice. You're either good or you burn in Hell. Total free will means you are CANNOT be held accountable to your actions if there are is no one to hold you accountable, including yourself, and a partial free will is an oxymoron. God, if it indeed exists, has total free will: what he does is morality, because none can hold him accountable. If all of a sudden "God" says raping children is moral, then you have to go along with it or else you burn in Hell.
What the shit are you talking about?
by Bzakstan » Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:50 pm
by Benuty » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:12 pm
The Rich Port wrote:Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
It isn't.
That is presupposing a incompatibilist position on Free Will, when there is nothing incompatible about the idea that our decision results from deterministic forces within our brains, and the fact that we have Free Will, in that we still have (1) Agency, (2) the Power of unimpeded choice such that (3) we can be held morally responsible.
The only possible way for Libertarian Free Will to exist is by magic, a compatibilistic interpretation of Free Will does not need a soul.
The fuck it isn't.
If, ultimately, your decisions matter, you have no choice. You're either good or you burn in Hell. Total free will means you are CANNOT be held accountable to your actions if there are is no one to hold you accountable, including yourself, and a partial free will is an oxymoron. God, if it indeed exists, has total free will: what he does is morality, because none can hold him accountable. If all of a sudden "God" says raping children is moral, then you have to go along with it or else you burn in Hell.
What the shit are you talking about?
by Neutraligon » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:42 pm
Distruzio wrote:CTALNH wrote:As I said bite what?
I am not flaimbating you or trolling you.
I trully believe Jesus did not exist becuase the evidence are overwhelming for that he did not really exist.
By "bite" I meant that I wouldn't play that game with you. I don't presume trolling. I presume reality. The reality is that it's cute that you think a simple "nu-uh" is truth enough to dissuade a position you disagree with.
by Distruzio » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:14 am
Neutraligon wrote:Distruzio wrote:
By "bite" I meant that I wouldn't play that game with you. I don't presume trolling. I presume reality. The reality is that it's cute that you think a simple "nu-uh" is truth enough to dissuade a position you disagree with.
Provide proof the character Jesus existed in some form (not just some guy with the name). The bible is the claim that Jesus existed so you can't use that.
by Distruzio » Sat Jul 26, 2014 11:20 am
The Rich Port wrote:Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
It isn't.
That is presupposing a incompatibilist position on Free Will, when there is nothing incompatible about the idea that our decision results from deterministic forces within our brains, and the fact that we have Free Will, in that we still have (1) Agency, (2) the Power of unimpeded choice such that (3) we can be held morally responsible.
The only possible way for Libertarian Free Will to exist is by magic, a compatibilistic interpretation of Free Will does not need a soul.
The fuck it isn't.
If, ultimately, your decisions matter, you have no choice. You're either good or you burn in Hell. Total free will means you are CANNOT be held accountable to your actions if there are is no one to hold you accountable, including yourself, and a partial free will is an oxymoron. God, if it indeed exists, has total free will: what he does is morality, because none can hold him accountable. If all of a sudden "God" says raping children is moral, then you have to go along with it or else you burn in Hell.
What the shit are you talking about?
by Shaggai » Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:12 pm
Conscentia wrote:Shaggai wrote:The concept of free will is nonsensical in a nonreligious context. What, exactly, has free will? Does a neuron have free will? If not, then why should a collection of them have free will? The only possible way for free will to exist is if there is something along the lines of a soul.
That's assuming a soul is an entity not bound by causality.
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:Shaggai wrote:The concept of free will is nonsensical in a nonreligious context.
It isn't.What, exactly, has free will? Does a neuron have free will? If not, then why should a collection of them have free will?
That is presupposing a incompatibilist position on Free Will, when there is nothing incompatible about the idea that our decision results from deterministic forces within our brains, and the fact that we have Free Will, in that we still have (1) Agency, (2) the Power of unimpeded choice such that (3) we can be held morally responsible.The only possible way for free will to exist is if there is something along the lines of a soul.
The only possible way for Libertarian Free Will to exist is by magic, a compatibilistic interpretation of Free Will does not need a soul.
by Crysuko » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:16 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Distruzio wrote:
By "bite" I meant that I wouldn't play that game with you. I don't presume trolling. I presume reality. The reality is that it's cute that you think a simple "nu-uh" is truth enough to dissuade a position you disagree with.
Provide proof the character Jesus existed in some form (not just some guy with the name). The bible is the claim that Jesus existed so you can't use that.
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