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Should the US interviene in Iraq?

Postby The League of Brasses » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:49 pm

With the ISIS declaring an independent Islamic state, the situation in Iraq and the surrounding areas is growing more and more grim. Due to the organization's violent antics, the threat of the exportation of terrorism from the state is very high. The Iraq military that the US has funded $20 billion is either joining the enemy, deserting, or refusing to fight. So, what do you think? Should the US send in thousands of troops, risk lives, and spend billions of dollars to attempt to control the situation, or should we stay out of it?
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Postby Shie » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:49 pm

We can't stay out of it, we're already in too deep.

We've got to intervene in Iraq or else we'll get another 9/11.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:51 pm

No, no matter what Dick Cheney and the other neocon slaves of Boeing and all the other military-industrial complex member companies say.
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Postby New Rhodinia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:51 pm

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Postby Shie » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:52 pm

New Rhodinia wrote:If you spilled root beer on your carpet, would you use more root beer to clean it up?

Trick question, the carpet can't be unstained.
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Postby Shie » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:53 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:No, no matter what Dick Cheney and the other neocon slaves of Boeing and all the other military-industrial complex member companies say.

Slaves? They're millionaires, some billionaires.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:54 pm

The League of Brasses wrote:With the ISIS declaring an independent Islamic state, the situation in Iraq and the surrounding areas is growing more and more grim. Due to the organization's violent antics, the threat of the exportation of terrorism from the state is very high. The Iraq military that the US has funded $20 billion is either joining the enemy, deserting, or refusing to fight. So, what do you think? Should the US send in thousands of troops, risk lives, and spend billions of dollars to attempt to control the situation, or should we stay out of it?


All this proves is that neoconservatism is a failure and we should never listen to the neocon right EVER again. We didn't go there because there were nukes, because there were none. We didn't go to "support democracy", because we put in a Shiite government that oppressed Sunnis, and we didn't go there to protect America. We went there for oil and modern day imperialism through puppet state/alliance.
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Postby Havenburgh » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:54 pm

You should have a poll for this.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:54 pm

Shie wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:No, no matter what Dick Cheney and the other neocon slaves of Boeing and all the other military-industrial complex member companies say.

Slaves? They're millionaires, some billionaires.


I mean they serve their interests. Those just so happen to be arms manufacturers.
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Postby Shie » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:55 pm

Havenburgh wrote:You should have a poll for this.

There's no point in voting, we're already intervening in Iraq.

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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:55 pm

We've already fucked around in there so much, we might as well clean up this mess too.

Though we got to work on tying up loose ends and just getting out if there.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:55 pm

Shie wrote:
New Rhodinia wrote:If you spilled root beer on your carpet, would you use more root beer to clean it up?

Trick question, the carpet can't be unstained.


All that proves is what we did in Iraq has fucked it up beyond repair, like your carpet is.
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Postby Shie » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:56 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The League of Brasses wrote:With the ISIS declaring an independent Islamic state, the situation in Iraq and the surrounding areas is growing more and more grim. Due to the organization's violent antics, the threat of the exportation of terrorism from the state is very high. The Iraq military that the US has funded $20 billion is either joining the enemy, deserting, or refusing to fight. So, what do you think? Should the US send in thousands of troops, risk lives, and spend billions of dollars to attempt to control the situation, or should we stay out of it?


All this proves is that neoconservatism is a failure and we should never listen to the neocon right EVER again. We didn't go there because there were nukes, because there were none. We didn't go to "support democracy", because we put in a Shiite government that oppressed Sunnis, and we didn't go there to protect America. We went there for oil and modern day imperialism through puppet state/alliance.

Without neoconservatism there would've been far many more terrorist attacks than there were.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:56 pm

Pandeeria wrote:We've already fucked around in there so much, we might as well clean up this mess too.

Though we got to work on closing up loose ends and just getting out if there.


There is no way to clean up the mess.....to think that America can solve the Sunni-Shiite Split and the desire/opposition for Kurdistan, and the Syrian Civil War, is arrogance on a national scale.
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Postby Shie » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:57 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Shie wrote:Trick question, the carpet can't be unstained.


All that proves is what we did in Iraq has fucked it up beyond repair, like your carpet is.

The popular belief is that Iraq wasn't any better before we intervened. Need I remind you of Saddam Hussein?
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:57 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:We've already fucked around in there so much, we might as well clean up this mess too.

Though we got to work on closing up loose ends and just getting out if there.


There is no way to clean up the mess.....to think that America can solve the Sunni-Shiite Split and the desire/opposition for Kurdistan, and the Syrian Civil War, is arrogance on a national scale.


We got to.
This could actually lead to more terrorism, and could actually create more American-hostility in the Middle East.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:58 pm

Shie wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
All this proves is that neoconservatism is a failure and we should never listen to the neocon right EVER again. We didn't go there because there were nukes, because there were none. We didn't go to "support democracy", because we put in a Shiite government that oppressed Sunnis, and we didn't go there to protect America. We went there for oil and modern day imperialism through puppet state/alliance.

Without neoconservatism there would've been far many more terrorist attacks than there were.


Incorrect.

Conservatism (I guess not "neo") started this mess. We decided to give a big "fuck you" to the Soviets during the Afghan war and funded the Mujahideen, who then hated us for having us fight a war for them and not paying them back. Now, they use our weapons to attack us. Reagan fucked up.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:59 pm

The US should work with Iran to take on ISIS, contingent on either (a) the removal of Maliki or (b) requiring that Maliki end his policy of shutting Sunnis out of government power.

The New Sea Territory wrote:No, no matter what Dick Cheney and the other neocon slaves of Boeing and all the other military-industrial complex member companies say.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:59 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
There is no way to clean up the mess.....to think that America can solve the Sunni-Shiite Split and the desire/opposition for Kurdistan, and the Syrian Civil War, is arrogance on a national scale.


We got to.
This could actually lead to more terrorism, and could actually create more American-hostility in the Middle East.


What about the "Iraq Effect"? The fact that, the more you stay in a country, the more the locals don't like you. Those moderate locals, when civilians are killed, become radicalized and join the Taliban/Al-Qaeda/ISIS/(insert radicals here).
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Postby Shie » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:59 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Shie wrote:Without neoconservatism there would've been far many more terrorist attacks than there were.


Incorrect.

Conservatism (I guess not "neo") started this mess. We decided to give a big "fuck you" to the Soviets during the Afghan war and funded the Mujahideen, who then hated us for having us fight a war for them and not paying them back. Now, they use our weapons to attack us. Reagan fucked up.

They should've already run out of ammunition by now if this started in the eighties and carried on into modern times.

Who is giving them weapons?
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Postby Oaledonia » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:59 pm

Boeing makes triple the amount of civilian sales then it does military.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:00 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:The US should work with Iran to take on ISIS, contingent on either (a) the removal of Maliki or (b) requiring that Maliki end his policy of shutting Sunnis out of government power.

The New Sea Territory wrote:No, no matter what Dick Cheney and the other neocon slaves of Boeing and all the other military-industrial complex member companies say.

I don't think you have any idea what slavery is.


Slave might not be best. Perhaps "servant" or "puppet".
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Postby United States of Natan » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:00 pm

If ISIS begins to spill over into Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and other middle eastern countries, then we intervene. But if it remains isolated in syria and iraq, we stay out for now.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:00 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Shie wrote:Without neoconservatism there would've been far many more terrorist attacks than there were.


Incorrect.

Conservatism (I guess not "neo") started this mess. We decided to give a big "fuck you" to the Soviets during the Afghan war and funded the Mujahideen, who then hated us for having us fight a war for them and not paying them back. Now, they use our weapons to attack us. Reagan fucked up.


The proxy wars fucked everything up.

Would it be safe to say that all this middle eastern drama, from Pakistan to Afhganistan to Iraq to Syria, could all potentially lead back to the Afghan Proxy War?
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Postby Shie » Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:01 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Incorrect.

Conservatism (I guess not "neo") started this mess. We decided to give a big "fuck you" to the Soviets during the Afghan war and funded the Mujahideen, who then hated us for having us fight a war for them and not paying them back. Now, they use our weapons to attack us. Reagan fucked up.


The proxy wars fucked everything up.

Would it be safe to say that all this middle eastern drama, from Pakistan to Afhganistan to Iraq to Syria, could all potentially lead back to the Afghan Proxy War?

No, the wrong side is receiving the blame here.

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