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FAILED: Liberate Land of the Liberals

Postby Environmental Rebels » Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:27 am

**UPDATED**
The Security Council,

SURPRISED that Land of the Liberals was invaded by New Earth with help from the notorious Nazi Europe on December 23, 2009;

NOTING that New Earth now claims the region to be their colony;

DEFINING...
(a)"Preventive Liberation" as the action of liberating a presently non-password protected region to prevent the use of the password in the future (e.g. as seen in SC#9);

FEARING that New Earth will refound the region;

FURTHER FEARING that they would disgrace the Land of the Liberals' very name by residing with undemocratic policies;

AWARE that it may be only a matter of days before all the natives are ejected and the invaders password the region;

RECALLING that New Earth has already banned two native nations Anbrig and Galactic Intrigue at the creation of this resolution;

CERTAIN that if the region is liberated by the Security Council it would be unlikely that the invaders could refound the region, atleast not without a fair amount of difficulty;

WISHING the natives of Land of the Liberals to live free from the threat of refounding and future raids;

HEREBY:

PREVENTIVELY LIBERATES the Land of the Liberals to protect the region from the implementation of a password.

Co-authored by Unibot


Okay this is the draft. And I need to revise this quickly, time is limited. Constructive criticism and suggestions would be appreciated.

Which looks better, uncapitalized underlined words or just capitalized (e.g. Surprised or SURPRISED)?
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:22 am

Honored ambassador to Environmental Rebels, there isn't a password in place to justify a liberation. All a liberation does is remove a password, and there is no password in the region concerned, thereby making this draft ineffective.

By the way, we prefer capitalized or lower-cased in bold, instead of underline.

Yours etc,
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:38 am

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Honored ambassador to Environmental Rebels, there isn't a password in place to justify a liberation. All a liberation does is remove a password, and there is no password in the region concerned, thereby making this draft ineffective.

OOC: No, it would also prevent any password being imposed there after it was passed.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:19 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Honored ambassador to Environmental Rebels, there isn't a password in place to justify a liberation. All a liberation does is remove a password, and there is no password in the region concerned, thereby making this draft ineffective.

OOC: No, it would also prevent any password being imposed there after it was passed.

If a password being imposed is a big risk for the region concerned, honored ambassador, then it is feasible. To the draft:

Wishes the natives of Land of the Liberals to live free from invasion and the threat of refounding.

However, a liberation cannot prevent the current delegate from ejecting residents. It is however true that natives can stop the threat of refounding.

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Postby Kalibarr » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:53 am

notorious Nazi Europe on December 23rd.


notorious?

someone please tell me What is it with people and thinking new earth is some kind of weak little region that is fun for everyone to mess with?

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Postby Topid » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:58 am

Kalibarr wrote:
notorious Nazi Europe on December 23rd.


notorious?

someone please tell me What is it with people and thinking new earth is some kind of weak little region that is fun for everyone to mess with?

They are condemned... So that would make them one of the most infamous regions as far as the WA is concerned. Agree or disagree with their condenation, until it's repealed I'd most certainly say they are notorious.
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Postby Environmental Rebels » Sun Dec 27, 2009 12:57 pm

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Honored ambassador to Environmental Rebels, there isn't a password in place to justify a liberation. All a liberation does is remove a password, and there is no password in the region concerned, thereby making this draft ineffective.

By the way, we prefer capitalized or lower-cased in bold, instead of underline.

Yours etc,


New Earth has threatened to refound the region, in order to do so they would need to password protect it eventually or someone could just waltz in to stop the refounding.

Can someone help me with the actual drafting of the draft now. I don't have much time. Is the draft clear enough, or should I talk more about the concept of preemptive liberations?
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Postby Dorksonian » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:02 pm

Scrap it. I'll certainly vote against this draft.

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Postby Environmental Rebels » Sun Dec 27, 2009 1:09 pm

Dorksonian wrote:Scrap it. I'll certainly vote against this draft.

Can you say why? Are you against the idea, or do you believe it's badly written?

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Postby -Emporia- » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:21 pm

Good luck on your draft. ;)

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Postby Insane Knights » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:23 pm

Good luck also

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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Sun Dec 27, 2009 3:33 pm

These kind of liberations are typically called "preventive liberations", it might be clever (or a useless factoid) to note that SC#9 was also a preventive liberation.

To start the resolution off, use "The Security Council," (see "Liberate Utopia" for reference).

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Postby Environmental Rebels » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:20 pm

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:These kind of liberations are typically called "preventive liberations", it might be clever (or a useless factoid) to note that SC#9 was also a preventive liberation.

To start the resolution off, use "The Security Council," (see "Liberate Utopia" for reference).

Thanks, fixed it. And added the tidbit on SC#9, but should I provide a link to the resolution?

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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:50 pm

Environmental Rebels wrote:
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:These kind of liberations are typically called "preventive liberations", it might be clever (or a useless factoid) to note that SC#9 was also a preventive liberation.

To start the resolution off, use "The Security Council," (see "Liberate Utopia" for reference).

Thanks, fixed it. And added the tidbit on SC#9, but should I provide a link to the resolution?


Nope, the link will not appear. There is no BBcode for resolutions.

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Postby Environmental Rebels » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:55 pm

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
Environmental Rebels wrote:
Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:These kind of liberations are typically called "preventive liberations", it might be clever (or a useless factoid) to note that SC#9 was also a preventive liberation.

To start the resolution off, use "The Security Council," (see "Liberate Utopia" for reference).

Thanks, fixed it. And added the tidbit on SC#9, but should I provide a link to the resolution?


Nope, the link will not appear. There is no BBcode for resolutions.

Oh good because I couldn't find one.

Does anyone have any last minute suggestions, because the clock is ticking.

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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Sun Dec 27, 2009 4:59 pm

Okay, give me a few minutes. I'll make some revisions, and beef it up a bit.

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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:09 pm

The Security Council,

SURPRISED that Land of the Liberals was invaded by New Earth with help from the notorious Nazi Europe on December 23, 2009;

NOTING that New Earth now claims the region to be their colony;

DEFINING...
(a)"Preventive Liberation" as the action of liberating a presently non-password protected region to prevent the use of the password in the future (e.g. as seen in SC#9);

FEARING that New Earth will refound the region;

FURTHER FEARING that they would disgrace the Land of the Liberals' very name by residing with undemocratic policies;

AWARE that it may be only a matter of days before all the natives are ejected and the invaders password the region;

"Enter your proof here for this ^^^ statement "

CERTAIN that if the region is liberated by the Security Council it would be unlikely that the invaders could refound the region, atleast not without a fair amount of difficulty;

WISHING the natives of Land of the Liberals to live free from the threat of refounding and future raids;

HEREBY:

PREVENTIVELY LIBERATING the Land of the Liberals to protect the region from the implementation of a password.
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Postby Environmental Rebels » Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:47 pm

Thank you Unibot! I'll be sure to cite you as Co-author.

The Security Council,

SURPRISED that Land of the Liberals was invaded by New Earth with help from the notorious Nazi Europe on December 23, 2009;

NOTING that New Earth now claims the region to be their colony;

DEFINING...
(a)"Preventive Liberation" as the action of liberating a presently non-password protected region to prevent the use of the password in the future (e.g. as seen in SC#9);

FEARING that New Earth will refound the region;

FURTHER FEARING that they would disgrace the Land of the Liberals' very name by residing with undemocratic policies;

AWARE that it may be only a matter of days before all the natives are ejected and the invaders password the region;

RECALLING that New Earth has already banned two native nations Anbrig and Galactic Intrigue at the creation of this resolution;

CERTAIN that if the region is liberated by the Security Council it would be unlikely that the invaders could refound the region, atleast not without a fair amount of difficulty;

WISHING the natives of Land of the Liberals to live free from the threat of refounding and future raids;

HEREBY:

PREVENTIVELY LIBERATES the Land of the Liberals to protect the region from the implementation of a password.

Co-authored by Unibot


I bolded changes.

**Edit: It has been submitted!
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Postby Kandarin » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:20 pm

You'll want to telegram most/all delegates in the WA with your reasons for wanting this passed. Few enough Delegates look at the list that such measures are necessary.
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Postby Compass Quest » Sun Dec 27, 2009 6:24 pm

Kandarin wrote:You'll want to telegram most/all delegates in the WA with your reasons for wanting this passed. Few enough Delegates look at the list that such measures are necessary.

Is this message too short? (this is my puppet) I kinda wrote it in a rush so... :unsure:

Greetings great delegate!

Land of the Liberals has been raided by New Earth and the invaders plan to refound the region. In order to do so they are banning natives and will soon password protect it.

APPROVE the proposal Liberate "Land of the Liberals" to prevent the implementation of the password by invaders! Land of the Liberals must be liberated, for the sake of democracy!

Time is running out, the invaders might soon gain enough influence to password lock the region. Hurry!

Thank you,
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Postby Topid » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:39 pm

Unibot contacted me. It seems reasonable to assume the raiders would attempt a refounding of LoL (hehehe). I've approved the resolution and I'm very interested to see how this first preemptive liberation turns out.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:46 pm

My concern here, which I articulated to the author via telegram, is that Land of Liberals is not a normal NationStates community like regions previously targeted for liberation resolutions. Its in fact full of raider puppets (specifically those of General T R Franks of DEN) - and while its been invaded several times over the last few months by raiders like New Earth who fail to grasp this fact, Franks has laughed these off, and made clear that he doesn't want the region defended.

If Environmental Rebels can come up with a native of Land of Liberals who supports this resolution, then I will support it too - if not, then it seems a little pointless. I would also have advised that he look for such a native prior to submission.
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Postby Ausztralia » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:54 pm

I agree with Sedgistan, find a native and then I will return to my region and try to gain support for it as well. Until then, I can't support a liberation resolution that isn't supported by the natives of the region. Otherwise, it will be interesting to see how this "preventative liberation" turns out. :)
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Postby Hassett » Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:57 pm

Just to inform you, Hassett is the nation that votes against all "Liberate" resolutions, nonetheless, nicely written
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Postby Unibot » Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:02 pm

Topid wrote:Unibot contacted me. It seems reasonable to assume the raiders would attempt a refounding of LoL (hehehe). I've approved the resolution and I'm very interested to see how this first preemptive liberation turns out.


Its not the first preventive liberation, its just the first serious one.

Sedgistan wrote:My concern here, which I articulated to the author via telegram, is that Land of Liberals is not a normal NationStates community like regions previously targeted for liberation resolutions. Its in fact full of raider puppets (specifically those of General T R Franks of DEN) - and while its been invaded several times over the last few months by raiders like New Earth who fail to grasp this fact, Franks has laughed these off, and made clear that he doesn't want the region defended.

If Environmental Rebels can come up with a native of Land of Liberals who supports this resolution, then I will support it too - if not, then it seems a little pointless. I would also have advised that he look for such a native prior to submission.


Sedge, after a liberation, defenders don't need to help to challenge the delegacy -- I mean, the associated invaders could do that, no? We have this notion in our heads that all liberations have to be so defenders can get in to take the delegacy, but nothing in the game mechanics states that.

I've just contacted about 180 delegates or so, who supported "Liberate Utopia", I'm on an ity bity laptop with an unfamiliar browser, so its hard to campaign. If its hasn't reach quorum by the minor update, I will do my duty as Co-Author and campaign some more (I have to sleep...SLEEP...).

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