Anarchism

[Casita]

Hello everyone

Seeing that anarchism regularly comes up as a topic for discussion, even in threads that have nothing to do with anarchism; I decided to create this thread.

Here we can debate anarchism.

Topics (not limited to):

Anarchism vs Capitalism

Different organizational forms of anarchism, such as: egoism, syndicalism, insurrectionism, primitivism, radical LGBT, autonomy, collectivism, anarchist communism etc

Anti-state vs State

Anarchism vs Marxism

Praxis vs Theoreticism

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Helpful links:

Anarchist Library: http://theanarchistlibrary.org/
Anarchist FAQ: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/index.html
Anarchy Archives: http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/
MIA: http://www.marxists.org/
Cosmologies of Capitalism (by Alan MacFarlane): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micJ4FnvbY4

[Genivaria]

Anarchism is bollocks.

[Farnhamia]

Hello everyone

Seeing that anarchism regularly comes up as a topic for discussion, even in threads that have nothing to do with anarchism; I decided to create this thread.

Here we can debate anarchism.

Topics (not limited to):

Anarchism vs Capitalism

Different organizational forms of anarchism, such as: egoism, syndicalism, insurrectionism, primitivism, radical LGBT, autonomy, collectivism, anarchist communism etc

Anti-state vs State

Anarchism vs Marxism

Praxis vs Theoreticism

- - - - - - - - - - - -

Helpful links:

Anarchist Library: http://theanarchistlibrary.org/
Anarchist FAQ: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/index.html
Anarchy Archives: http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/
MIA: http://www.marxists.org/
Cosmologies of Capitalism (by Alan MacFarlane): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micJ4FnvbY4

Please explain why I shouldn't roll this up into the existing anarchism thread and just open that one up to cover it all (which it probably already does)?

[The Scientific States]

Anarchism is bollocks.

Indeed. Anarchism is not only completely undesirable, it doesn't work at all. Most humans have the desire for some sort of structure to lead, which is a state.

[Casita]

Hello everyone

Seeing that anarchism regularly comes up as a topic for discussion, even in threads that have nothing to do with anarchism; I decided to create this thread.

Here we can debate anarchism.

Topics (not limited to):

Anarchism vs Capitalism

Different organizational forms of anarchism, such as: egoism, syndicalism, insurrectionism, primitivism, radical LGBT, autonomy, collectivism, anarchist communism etc

Anti-state vs State

Anarchism vs Marxism

Praxis vs Theoreticism

- - - - - - - - - - - -

Helpful links:

Anarchist Library: http://theanarchistlibrary.org/
Anarchist FAQ: http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/index.html
Anarchy Archives: http://dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Archives/
MIA: http://www.marxists.org/
Cosmologies of Capitalism (by Alan MacFarlane): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micJ4FnvbY4

Please explain why I shouldn't roll this up into the existing anarchism thread and just open that one up to cover it all (which it probably already does)?

I think if the existing thread were accessible then I wouldn't have created one.

Does the existing thread offers the supplemental links I provided? I don't know, because I haven't seen the thread.

Is it wrong to start a fresh thread, since anarchism comes up in threads that have nothing to do with anarchism?

Maybe the existing thread is old and dated? Would it be too difficult to lock that one, instead of knee-jerking this one?

Maybe there are new nations that don't know about the existing thread? I didn't and I've typed anarchism in the search bar. I might've missed it or perhaps it has been buried.

[Misley]

Please explain why I shouldn't roll this up into the existing anarchism thread and just open that one up to cover it all (which it probably already does)?

I'm assuming you're referring to the anarcho-capitalism thread? I can't find another thread about anarchy in the first few pages.

Anarcho-capitalism is not widely considered to be anarchist thought outside of ancap circles. Anarchism, as Casita can attest, is a non-Marxist socialist tradition. I think it is worth keeping the threads separate because there is really not much, if any, overlap between leftist Anarchists like Casita and "anarcho"-capitalists.

I've glanced through the last several pages of the ancap thread and the discussions they are having are really not pertinent to anarchists or syndicalists. Merging this thread into that one would not really be valuable. Perhaps Casita could clarify in the thread title that the point of this thread is to discuss socialist strains of anarchism?

[Casita]

Anarchism is bollocks.

Indeed. Anarchism is not only completely undesirable, it doesn't work at all. Most humans have the desire for some sort of structure to lead, which is a state.

Why do you think this is?

[Geilinor]

Indeed. Anarchism is not only completely undesirable, it doesn't work at all. Most humans have the desire for some sort of structure to lead, which is a state.

Why do you think this is?

How long do you think an anarchist society would last?

[Farnhamia]

Please explain why I shouldn't roll this up into the existing anarchism thread and just open that one up to cover it all (which it probably already does)?

I think if the existing thread were accessible then I wouldn't have created one.

Does the existing thread offers the supplemental links I provided? I don't know, because I haven't seen the thread.

Is it wrong to start a fresh thread, since anarchism comes up in threads that have nothing to do with anarchism?

Maybe the existing thread is old and dated? Would it be too difficult to lock that one, instead of knee-jerking this one?

Maybe there are new nations that don't know about the existing thread? I didn't and I've typed anarchism in the search bar. I might've missed it or perhaps it has been buried.

Not accessible? It's on the first page. viewtopic.php?f=20&t=300309

At any rate, we'll see how this goes for a while.

[The New Sea Territory]

I think if the existing thread were accessible then I wouldn't have created one.

Does the existing thread offers the supplemental links I provided? I don't know, because I haven't seen the thread.

Is it wrong to start a fresh thread, since anarchism comes up in threads that have nothing to do with anarchism?

Maybe the existing thread is old and dated? Would it be too difficult to lock that one, instead of knee-jerking this one?

Maybe there are new nations that don't know about the existing thread? I didn't and I've typed anarchism in the search bar. I might've missed it or perhaps it has been buried.

Not accessible? It's on the first page. viewtopic.php?f=20&t=300309

At any rate, we'll see how this goes for a while.

Isn't that talking more directly about the relation between AnCaps and the state, rather than just anarchism in general?

Anyway, I like almost all forms of anarchism. Communist, Syndicalist, Capitalism, Mutualist, Individualist, etc. I don't like National-Anarchism, other than that, I'm cool with all of them, and advocate for a sort of pan-anarchist sort of anarchism without adjectives. In a true stateless society, I would like to see various freely joinable communities centered on different economic thought. Communes can exist down the street from capitalist market paradises, all in statelessness.

[MERIZoC]

Anarchism is bollocks.

Indeed. Anarchism is not only completely undesirable, it doesn't work at all. Most humans have the desire for some sort of structure to lead, which is a state.

First 100,000 years of human existence. Look it up.

[The Liberated Territories]

Anarchism is bollocks.

This.

Long live capitalism and the state o/

[Scomagia]

Indeed. Anarchism is not only completely undesirable, it doesn't work at all. Most humans have the desire for some sort of structure to lead, which is a state.

First 100,000 years of human existence. Look it up.

I have anarchist sympathies and I'll be the first to say that that isn't an especially good argument. The first 100,000 years of human existence had us at the mercy of disease, famine, and ignorance.

[The New Sea Territory]

First 100,000 years of human existence. Look it up.

I have anarchist sympathies and I'll be the first to say that that isn't an especially good argument. The first 100,000 years of human existence had us at the mercy of disease, famine, and ignorance.

I would say that anarchism hasn't been applied very well, as an anarchist.

[Jamjai]

an organized military anarchism would work in a anarchy world
you would just need a great amount of trust and leadership

[Casita]

Why do you think this is?

How long do you think an anarchist society would last?

Free Territory ( albiet platformist) lasted about 7 years before is was destroyed by the Bolsheviks. Internally organization wasn't the problem. In fact, anarchists in the Ukraine mobilized very fast.

They didn't have enough guns or outside support, because essentially all the governments that weren't communist looked the other way during genocide in Ukraine and the Bolsheviks imprisoned and executed every anarchist they could find. So, to me it's not about organizational structure failure, more so than, governmental entities would rather 'nuke' the planet before they see an anarchist society actualized.

With strong international solidarity, it could last for quite awhile. If we look at the EZLN (not anarchists, but indigenous autonomists) they still hold cities and spaces in southern Mexico. Their uprising started in the 90s and they continue to defend their space, in spite of global neo-libs murdering their people. Therefore, examples such as EZLN, along with free territory, shinmin autonomous region ( anarcho-communist, 20 million people in the region, 3 years) FAI/CNT I think an anarchist society could last for quite awhile. That is with international solidarity within the left.

[MERIZoC]

First 100,000 years of human existence. Look it up.

I have anarchist sympathies and I'll be the first to say that that isn't an especially good argument. The first 100,000 years of human existence had us at the mercy of disease, famine, and ignorance.

Population wasn't high enough for disease to be a big factor, we were hunter-gatherers, so famine wasn't much of a problem, and as for the ignorance, well, I'd argue that wasn't really important. We knew enough. We knew how to hunt, how to collect food, how to take care of our families, and how to survive. What more do you need?

[District XIV]

Anarchism can probably only work in small, friendly communities. Everyone trusts each other and they live in peace. At a larger scale with a bigger population, it doesn't really work.

[The New Sea Territory]

Anarchism can probably only work in small, friendly communities. Everyone trusts each other and they live in peace. At a larger scale with a bigger population, it doesn't really work.

What about a "federation/confederation" of these small communities, and the various communities function differently? Communists live together, mutualists live together, etc.

[Scomagia]

I have anarchist sympathies and I'll be the first to say that that isn't an especially good argument. The first 100,000 years of human existence had us at the mercy of disease, famine, and ignorance.

Population wasn't high enough for disease to be a big factor, we were hunter-gatherers, so famine wasn't much of a problem, and as for the ignorance, well, I'd argue that wasn't really important. We knew enough. We knew how to hunt, how to collect food, how to take care of our families, and how to survive. What more do you need?

What more do you need? Hmm, I don't know.....maybe mathematics, linguistics, physics, philosophy, electricity, and space flight? I mean, unless you like the idea of the human race being obliterated in an extinction event because we never learned how to spread through the galaxy.

[District XIV]

Anarchism can probably only work in small, friendly communities. Everyone trusts each other and they live in peace. At a larger scale with a bigger population, it doesn't really work.

What about a "federation/confederation" of these small communities, and the various communities function differently? Communists live together, mutualists live together, etc.

Possibly. It really depends on how the communities relate to each other.

[MERIZoC]

Population wasn't high enough for disease to be a big factor, we were hunter-gatherers, so famine wasn't much of a problem, and as for the ignorance, well, I'd argue that wasn't really important. We knew enough. We knew how to hunt, how to collect food, how to take care of our families, and how to survive. What more do you need?

What more do you need? Hmm, I don't know.....maybe mathematics, linguistics, physics, philosophy, electricity, and space flight? I mean, unless you like the idea of the human race being obliterated in an extinction event because we never learned how to spread through the galaxy.

Other species seem to have managed just fine without these things. Mathematics and the like aren't necessary for survival.

[The New Sea Territory]

What about a "federation/confederation" of these small communities, and the various communities function differently? Communists live together, mutualists live together, etc.

Possibly. It really depends on how the communities relate to each other.

I would say, in a non-violent setting, a federation of loosely connected communities that function based on various anarchist economic principles could fair pretty well. The could get together and defend themselves, but functionally be independent. Individuals would be free to move and associate as they please.

[Scomagia]

What more do you need? Hmm, I don't know.....maybe mathematics, linguistics, physics, philosophy, electricity, and space flight? I mean, unless you like the idea of the human race being obliterated in an extinction event because we never learned how to spread through the galaxy.

Other species seem to have managed just fine without these things. Mathematics and the like aren't necessary for survival.

For the long-term survival and preservation of our species, yes they fucking are.

[The Scientific States]

What more do you need? Hmm, I don't know.....maybe mathematics, linguistics, physics, philosophy, electricity, and space flight? I mean, unless you like the idea of the human race being obliterated in an extinction event because we never learned how to spread through the galaxy.

Other species seem to have managed just fine without these things. Mathematics and the like aren't necessary for survival.

But it's really nice for good medicine, higher life expectancy, education, technology and the like to exist. We need mathematics and other stuff you couldn't find in a primitive society to move forward.