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Which Eastern European Language should I learn?

Postby Acroticus » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:27 pm

Hello NS! This thread was made after I had great success asking NS about which Germanic language I should learn: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=300843

The thread was so interesting, in fact, that I wanted to get NS's opinion on other languages!

The great response I got lead me to make this thread: Which of the Eastern European Languages is the best for an English speaker to learn? (Which should I learn?)

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Keep in mind here, I am not including Russian as an option. This is because, I have heard, Russian is loosing ground in eastern europe as a/the lingua franca, which means that the native languages in eastern Europe would be becoming stronger. (Also, Russian is too easy an answer :p )

I have heard that Polish is a relatively important language in Eastern Europe, with more speakers(around 40 million I think) than any other eastern European language, but it is not widespread throughout the rest of eastern Europe. Furthermore, I have heard that Polish is very hard for an English speaker to pick up. I would, however, consider learning Polish if it had an extremely interesting culture, which I do not have evidence for or against.

Serbo-Croatian seemed like a very interesting language to me, with nearly 19 million speakers, and it opens up a group of balkan countries. However, I have heard that the language differs from country to country (as Bosnian, Serbian, and Croatian, as well as Montenegrin, are all supposedly the same language). I read that Serbia uses cyrillic, but that Croatia uses the latin script. Does anyone know how important the differences are between the countries? And furthermore, are these countries safe since the breakup of Yugoslavia? The Croatian culture in particular interests me, as does Serbian. I do not know much about Bosnia. I also do not know Serbo-Croatian's relative difficulty compared to other eastern European languages.

Romanian is a very interesting choice; as a romance language, with the Latin script, it would likely be the easiest language for an english speaker to learn. It also commands a decent number of speakers (I don't have a source, but I remember reading 23 million) However, I have read that Romanian is not even spoken throughout all of Romania, much less other eastern European nations. Romanian culture is very interesting (Dracula is from there! :p ), but it has a relatively weak presence as far as resources for learning the language, even compared to so me of the others here. I do not know how many people in Romania speak English as a second language, or how navigable the country is without Romanian.

The Baltic Languages also interest me, as I have ancestors from lithuania. However, all of these languages seem to be not widely spoken outside their own nations, and they seem to be relatively unique, making them more difficult for an English speaker to learn. I would consider one of these languages if one of the countries had an extremely interesting culture, or a large presence in the job market (Latvia is an interesting niche).

The other languages I think that deserve mention, but I do not know about, are Albanian, Ukranian, Czech, and Slovene. Are any of these languages particularly valuable, surprisingly easy to learn, or a gateway to a particularly interesting culture? For some reason Czech seems the most interesting of these to me, as I have heard that it may share a decent amount of vocabulary with German for a slavic language.

Anyway, NS, I would ask your advice on possibly learning one of these languages. Please help me by talking about the difficulty of learning the language, the utility of the language, and the culture of those who speak the language.

A side note: I hope I have not offended anyone by my mistaking labelling languages or any other mistakes I may have made while categorizing languages and cultures. I do not mean any offense, and I truly know little about many of these countries.

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Postby The Southern Ozarks » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:30 pm

Estonian. Help the little guy.

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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:40 pm

Romanian. Women love a romantic man~!

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Postby Blazedtown » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:50 pm

Thafoo wrote:Romanian. Women love a romantic man~!


And that has what to do with romance?

Even though you said no Russian, it would open you up to a job at the CIA. Given Putin's antics, they'll be needing people that can pass for Russian for the next couple decades.
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Postby Thafoo » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:54 pm

Blazedtown wrote:And that has what to do with romance?

It was an attempted funny. ._.

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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:55 pm

Czech, I mean it's a land locked country yet their hello is Ahoy!
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Postby Zoboyizakoplayoklot » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:57 pm

Polish

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Postby Blazedtown » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:59 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:And that has what to do with romance?

It was an attempted funny. ._.


Sorry, didn't mean to be buzz killington, but I just couldn't think of how anything could sound romantic in Romanian. Although I can't even picture what Romanian sounds like, so I just went with a generic eastern european accent saying kiss me or I punch you.
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Postby Acroticus » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:06 pm

The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Czech, I mean it's a land locked country yet their hello is Ahoy!


Czech does interest me a lot; IS there a great utility in learning Czech?

Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Polish


Why Polish? I understand it has probably the most speakers of any language up there, but other than that...?

The Southern Ozarks wrote:Estonian. Help the little guy.


Estonian is quite interesting, and unique, as I understand. Is there a specific reason you think Estonian is particularly good to learn?

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Postby Constantinopolis » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:43 pm

Acroticus wrote:Keep in mind here, I am not including Russian as an option. This is because, I have heard, Russian is loosing ground in eastern europe as a/the lingua franca, which means that the native languages in eastern Europe would be becoming stronger. (Also, Russian is too easy an answer :p )

The native languages are not becoming stronger, they're staying about the same as before. Meanwhile, English has replaced Russian as the lingua franca, at least among the younger generations.

Acroticus wrote:I have heard that Polish is a relatively important language in Eastern Europe, with more speakers(around 40 million I think) than any other eastern European language, but it is not widespread throughout the rest of eastern Europe.

No language is widespread beyond the borders of its own nation-state(s) and the occasional ethnic enclaves in other countries. Polish has a lot of speakers simply because Poland is one of the largest countries in the region (second after Ukraine, but the language situation in Ukraine is complicated, while in Poland it's simple: everyone speaks Polish).
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:11 pm

Acroticus wrote:
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Czech, I mean it's a land locked country yet their hello is Ahoy!


Czech does interest me a lot; IS there a great utility in learning Czech?

Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Polish


Why Polish? I understand it has probably the most speakers of any language up there, but other than that...?

The Southern Ozarks wrote:Estonian. Help the little guy.


Estonian is quite interesting, and unique, as I understand. Is there a specific reason you think Estonian is particularly good to learn?

The only reason why I say Czech is because when I try and pronounce words it's like a tongue twister...
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Postby The North Polish Union » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:29 pm

Polski.

From what I've heard talking to English-speakers who've learned it, it's not that hard once you get past the weird spelling (to English speakers apparently, but I think English spelling is weird), it's really straightforward.

It's also largely mutually intelligible with Czech and Slovak (as long as no one talks too fast :P ) and with some dialects of Belarussian and Ukrainian (although not as much as it is with Czech and Slovak).
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Postby Acroticus » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:15 pm

Constantinopolis wrote:
Acroticus wrote:Keep in mind here, I am not including Russian as an option. This is because, I have heard, Russian is loosing ground in eastern europe as a/the lingua franca, which means that the native languages in eastern Europe would be becoming stronger. (Also, Russian is too easy an answer :p )

The native languages are not becoming stronger, they're staying about the same as before. Meanwhile, English has replaced Russian as the lingua franca, at least among the younger generations.

Acroticus wrote:I have heard that Polish is a relatively important language in Eastern Europe, with more speakers(around 40 million I think) than any other eastern European language, but it is not widespread throughout the rest of eastern Europe.

No language is widespread beyond the borders of its own nation-state(s) and the occasional ethnic enclaves in other countries. Polish has a lot of speakers simply because Poland is one of the largest countries in the region (second after Ukraine, but the language situation in Ukraine is complicated, while in Poland it's simple: everyone speaks Polish).


Interesting... I'm getting the sense that Polish is the general concensus

The North Polish Union wrote:Polski.

From what I've heard talking to English-speakers who've learned it, it's not that hard once you get past the weird spelling (to English speakers apparently, but I think English spelling is weird), it's really straightforward.

It's also largely mutually intelligible with Czech and Slovak (as long as no one talks too fast :P ) and with some dialects of Belarussian and Ukrainian (although not as much as it is with Czech and Slovak).


Does that mean that people who know Czech can understand Polish as well? :p

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Postby Great Phrygia » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:53 pm

Most useful would be any Slavic language: If you know one, you can make basic sense of all of them. I studied Russian for the most miserable six weeks of my life: Hated it, truly hated the language. >:( No articles plus gender makes it hard to fake (In German, if you can't remember the gender of whatever you are talking about, you can say "Das" [that]. In Russian it is literally "him", "her," or "it.")

That said, I'll put in a plug for Hungarian. If you know English and German, you've faced half of the problems of learning Magyar. Like German, it is agglutinated, and has six vowels that sound like long U to the English ear: Four of these are umlauts, so your knowledge of German should come in handy. :) Like English, no gender, it follows the adverb-adjective-noun structure, and the subject-verb-object sentence structure (sort of - they are big on word order being related to emphasis).

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Postby Lyttenburg » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:14 pm

Don't want to learn Russian? Then learn Olbanian.
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Postby Jello Biafra » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:16 pm

I've heard that Lithuanian used to be somewhat (compared to say, English) closely related to far flung Indo-European languages, such as Hindi.

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Postby The Remnants of Kobol » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:19 pm

As a Slovene, I'll say the language is beautiful, but ultimately useless in the real world.

If you want any practical application, learn Russian. It's the only one that is regularly on the international stage.

Edit: Slovene is so close to Croat you can have a conversation using one of the languages while the other person uses the other.

As for safe, Yes. Yes it is. We're done killing each other now.

But seriously. The Balkans is very safe in relation to most of the old Commie Bloc. Slovenia and Croatia are about as safe as France or Germany. Bosnia, you've got a lot of poverty (side effect of the 90s), and long walks in the North Eastern forests might not be recommended, but it's quite safe to visit or even live in. Serbia is more or less safe too. Little more conservative, but safe.
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Postby NeuPolska » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:20 pm

Polish.

Culture wise, google it. There's a lot of history to Poland, besides WWII and the Soviets(which everyone seems to be hung up on).

The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was one of the better times.

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Postby Zottistan » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:28 pm

Polish. Polish people are hot.
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Postby NeuPolska » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:34 pm

Zottistan wrote:Polish. Polish people are hot.

That too.

That being said, I'm Polish myself.

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Postby Montevallinia » Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:39 am

Serbo-Croatian!

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Postby Cadonica » Fri Jun 20, 2014 1:30 am

Estonian. Because it's closest to Finnish :p
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:21 am

Acroticus wrote:Keep in mind here, I am not including Russian as an option.

:palm:
The only Eastern European language with more than 50 million speakers, and you're not including it.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Jun 20, 2014 2:25 am

i would think Russian since Russia is the most powerful and influential nation in Eastern Europe...

but you explicitly said Russian is not an option so... I don't know, for me if I had to learn one... Russian, no contest.

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