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The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, Model 4

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Who will be the next Master of Ceremonies for the new Infantry Discussion Thread?

Purpelia
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11%
Dread Lady Nanticana
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8%
Aqizithiuda
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10%
Transnapastain
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10%
GEUTest
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3%
Nirvash Type TheEND
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24%
Kouralia
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29%
Assorted Sucrose Based Lifeforms
4
6%
 
Total votes : 63

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The NS Infantry Discussion Thread, Model 4

Postby Puzikas » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:22 pm

Welcome to the Infantry in your Nation thread! A continuation of the Main Military Weapons thread series.

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Unlike the previous series, this thread Is for the discussion of of your nations military's small arms, body armor, uniform, communications gear, and other general equipment. All tech levels are welcome, but please understand that this thread tends to be geared towards modern and post modern tech, so designs operating on unobtainium or other FT wankery are bound to be criticized from a realistic perspective. If having your designs evaluated for a realistic perspective does not appeal to you, it is advisable you do not post here. There is nothing wrong with past-tech, fantasy tech, or any other non-modern technology based nation posting a design, and you are welcome to post here, but be prepared for the inevitable "That won't work because..." post. These are not meant to offend you, they are meant to teach you. If you do not requirement enlightenment, simply leave it alone.

If you do post a design here, you agree that it will be criticized by the denizens of this thread. You are under no obligation to change the design based on this criticism, but continuing to argue in the face of facts will not bode well for you. Further, if you do not know, ask. If someone asks and you do not know the answer, don't respond. Speak on subjects you know, don't attempt to bullshit. Finally, there are plenty of people in this thread, both new and old, who have knowledge regarding a vast array of military technologies, try to learn from them Dispute if you will, but be prepared to use facts to back up your claims.

"Because it's magic" "I'm FT lawl" and "because I say so" are not valid arguments. Posters, if a player makes aid argument, drop it. These and other non-answers demonstrate that the poster has no desire to learn, therefore, you can not teach.

Please avoid excessive posting of vehicles, regardless of their affect on infantry deployment, this is an infantry thread first and foremost, we have vehicle and aircraft threads for those.
The below is a sort of re-hask, tl;dr of the above.

House rules (would you kindly read these)

~ Originally by Risen Britannia, modified by Transnapastain and again by Aqizithiuda, and again by Puzikas.

1: Read the OP. As you can probably guess from the title this thread has been round a while, the OP contains all allot some of the knowledge gained from previous iterations.

2: By posting you are accepting that they WILL be criticized, however it is up to you whether you listen (though you aren't going to make friends if you don't).

3: If you do offer criticism, make sure it's constructive, and don't assume that the person you're criticising knows what's wrong. "That won't work", "That's completely wrong" "What the hell is that abomination" and similar comments aren't helpful or constructive. Tell people why whatever is being designed won't work, especially if they ask you to explain. Saying "lul, an idiot can see why that won't work" or "because *insert obscure hint that only helps if the person you're talking to has the exact same set of knowledge as you do" and similar things will only lead to flame wars, trolling and people getting banned. Don't be a dick.

4: Be civil, site rules still apply. Due to past incidents we have Mods (Transnapastain) who is a regular here.

5: Whilst not encouraged off topic posts are allowed to an extent, EG you wont get a warning if you post a jet or tank etc... Just remember this thread is for infantry equipment, including but not limited to small arms, armor and uniforms.

6: While the F&NI sub forum is in-character, most posts in technology discussions threads are OOC in nature. IC statements can be made but are not the norm and may not be read as in character.

7: Excepting page topping "gun porn", or "infantry porn", large images will be placed in spoilers. "Large" will be determined by moderation. If you are asked to place images in spoilers, please do so.

8: Be extra nice to Transnapastain

9: No feeding the trolls

10: Respect is earned, and your post probably isn't as funny as you think it is.

11. Do not fill up the thread by constantly posting the same thing over and over again. If you have a problem with another player, please place them on your ignore list.

GOLDEN RULE
Do not talk about politics, I don''t care if you were just replying to someone, don't do it!

DO NOT DISCUSS POLITICS!
Any form of gun control discussion is not allowed here, take that to general.

A few useful links for the sake of the thread.
Information on the "AK-47" and family courtesy of Spreewerke
more "AK-47" infromation from Spreewerke
Information on Body armor From Puzikas
Information on Submachine guns, also from Puzikas
why the 5.45X39 SKS doesn't exist, from Puzikas
WiP Comparison of Various NS designed and Real Life rounds, by Aqizithiuda
An Explanation of Bullet Wounding Effects, by Puzikas
4.6x30 H&K, 5.7x28mm FN, and 9x19, by Puzikas
Bullet Design Calculator
(Please Note: meplat diameter should be, at minimum 0.15 times the diameter of the projectile, the boat tail angle should be not less than 7 degrees, the length of the projectile should not exceed 6 times the diameter of the projectile, there should be at least 5mm of body between the end of the ogive and the start of the boat tail, 10.4 is the specific gravity for FMJ projectiles not the default 11.4, M43 style steel core projectiles have a SG of 8.3, DBP10 steel cored rounds with an air pocket have a SG of 8.5, copper bullets have a SG of 8.9, steel cored lead free projectiles have a SG of 8.2, 7N6 style projectiles have a SG of 7.6, lead core projectiles with a large airgrap have a SG of 9.1, and M855 style steel tipped projectiles have a SG of 9.4)
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Previous IDT Threads
NS Infantry discussion thread
NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II
NS Infantry discussion thread, Mk. II*

MMW, the inspiration for this thread
MMW Part 12
MMW R11
MMW A10
MMW Type-09
MMW Pattern VIII
MMW MOD-7
MMW Mk VI
MMW Mk V
MMW Mk IV
MMW MkII (Pt2)
MMW MkIII
MMW MkII
MMW
link to the NS Infantry IRC (not managed by Trans nor do he have anything to do with it.)
Look here for updates in the near future.
Have fun.

This OP originally by Black Hand, modified by Transnapastain, reposted and modified again by Aqizithiuda, then more by Puzikas


All said and done, we have some rather frequent regulars here. For some time it has been asked we have a reference guide for these regulars. Below is such a guide.

Coming soon.
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Postby Yukonastan » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:24 pm

Holy shit, a model four IDT. Continuing on from the last thread, L85A2 sexiest AR evar.

Edit: Ninja'd to first reply. Damnit =3
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Postby Sediczja » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:25 pm

Dammit, I can't just type "i" in the address bar and have the thread pop up any more.

Anyway, reposting my question from the last thread:

AKS74U-style rear sight with the rib extending all the way back to the end of the dust cover and terminating in a peep sight y/n? Somewhat like this but going much further back.
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Postby Yukonastan » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:26 pm

Sediczja wrote:Dammit, I can't just type "i" in the address bar and have the thread pop up any more.

Anyway, reposting my question from the last thread:

AKS74U-style rear sight with the rib extending all the way back to the end of the dust cover and terminating in a peep sight y/n? Somewhat like this but going much further back.


n. Dust cover moves too much for your sight to hold a zero.
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Postby Federal Republic of Aratia » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:27 pm

Small Arms of the Aratian Federal Military


URSA-14 Rifle


Universal Rifle System of Aratia, Model 14
(URSA-14)



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Standard Issue (top) & IEIC (bottom) variants of the URSA-14


Service History



In Service: 2014-Present
Used By:
  • Aratian Federal Army Corps
  • Aratian Naval Infantry Corps
  • Aratian Airborne Infantry Corps
  • Yukonastan
Wars:
  • Northern Insurgency Conflict



Production History



Designer: Malcolm Kruger
Designed: 2010
Manufacturer: Ortego Land Systems
Produced: 2010-Present
Number Built: 250,000
Variants: *See Variants



Specifications



Weight: 3.71kg (8.2lbs)
Length: 772mm (30.39in)
Barrel Length: 583mm (19.2in)
*Specifications listed are for the Aratian Standard Issue Variant



Cartridge: 5.56x45mm
Action: Gas-Operated Rotating Bolt
Cyclic Rate Of Fire: 800-950
Effective Range:
  • 550 meters (point target)
  • 800 meters (area target)
Feed System: Detachable Box Magazine
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Postby Sediczja » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:27 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Sediczja wrote:Dammit, I can't just type "i" in the address bar and have the thread pop up any more.

Anyway, reposting my question from the last thread:

AKS74U-style rear sight with the rib extending all the way back to the end of the dust cover and terminating in a peep sight y/n? Somewhat like this but going much further back.


n. Dust cover moves too much for your sight to hold a zero.

I am aware. That is the purpose of the rib extending back, for stability.

Besides, Valmet and IMI have no trouble.

EDIT: Should clarify, the rib would be attached to the dust cover.
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Postby The balkens » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:28 pm

The Balken Kaiserliche Heer utilizes the G36A2 AA it's main service weapon.

However, the HK-416 is being adopted as a secondary. Much like what the G43 was to the K98 in the 40s during the 1st Balken War.

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Postby Yukonastan » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:28 pm

Sediczja wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:
n. Dust cover moves too much for your sight to hold a zero.

I am aware. That is the purpose of the rib extending back, for stability.

Besides, Valmet and IMI have no trouble.

EDIT: Should clarify, the rib would be attached to the dust cover.


How would you remove the dust cover?
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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:28 pm

Would the AK 102 be a good standard issue weapon for an army of 250,000?
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Postby Fordorsia » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:29 pm

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Infantry Battle Rifle Model of 1957

Cartridge: 7.65x50mm

Action: Gas-operated, tilting breechblock

Rate of Fire: 600 rounds per minute

Effective Range: 500m

Maximum Range: 1000m

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Postby Sediczja » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:29 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Sediczja wrote:I am aware. That is the purpose of the rib extending back, for stability.

Besides, Valmet and IMI have no trouble.

EDIT: Should clarify, the rib would be attached to the dust cover.


How would you remove the dust cover?

Like that
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Postby Bezombia » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:29 pm

The balkens wrote:The Balken Kaiserliche Heer utilizes the G36A2 AA it's main service weapon.

However, the HK-416 is being adopted as a secondary. Much like what the G43 was to the K98 in the 40s during the 1st Balken War.


So you're using two mechanically identical rifles that each offer basically no improvements over the other, but can't share magazines or receiver parts and so makes logistics that much more complicated?
Why?
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Postby Oaledonia » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:29 pm

The amount of Gavins in the OP is too damn low.
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Postby Bezombia » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:30 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:Would the AK 102 be a good standard issue weapon for an army of 250,000?


I'd go with the AK-101, AK-103, or AK-74M for a mainline role.
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Postby Yukonastan » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:30 pm

Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:Would the AK 102 be a good standard issue weapon for an army of 250,000?


Why not issue the AK101 and have the full barrel length?
Or, since you'll be firing 5.56 NATO anyway, why would you be looking at a Kalashnikov pattern rifle?
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Oaledonia wrote:The amount of Gavins in the OP is too damn low.

gavins are so light weight a platoon can carry a gavin with their bare hands.
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Oaledonia wrote:The amount of Gavins in the OP is too damn low.


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Postby Bezombia » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:32 pm

Sediczja wrote:Dammit, I can't just type "i" in the address bar and have the thread pop up any more.

Anyway, reposting my question from the last thread:

AKS74U-style rear sight with the rib extending all the way back to the end of the dust cover and terminating in a peep sight y/n? Somewhat like this but going much further back.


What would be the benefit of that over a typical Galil-style sight?
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Spreewerke wrote:The metric system is the only measurement system that truly meters.
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Postby Bulgaria-Serbia » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:32 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Bulgaria-Serbia wrote:Would the AK 102 be a good standard issue weapon for an army of 250,000?


Why not issue the AK101 and have the full barrel length?
Or, since you'll be firing 5.56 NATO anyway, why would you be looking at a Kalashnikov pattern rifle?

There cheaper than western contemporaries
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Postby Yukonastan » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:32 pm

Sediczja wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:
How would you remove the dust cover?

Like that


I'd imagine it'd still have trouble keeping a proper zero. Why not just issue your rifles with the AK side dovetail and have your iron sight be the standard issue attachment slash rail cover on that? It holds zero very well from what I hear.
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