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Should the US allow militias?

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Arine
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Should the US allow militias?

Postby Arine » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:29 pm

I was doing some reading recently and found that the U.S government made it so that they are the only ones that can make and control a militia. That seems wrong in my opinion seeing that a militia is supposed to be for the people to protect their liberties. If the government is the only one that can control them then how are we, the people, supposed to protect our freedoms. It also violates the second amendment.

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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:30 pm

Yes.

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Postby Lenciland » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:31 pm

They've got to. The Second Amendment protects the right to form militias.
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Postby The Re-Frisivisiaing » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:31 pm

I don't know if letting paramilitary organizations go out and train is a great idea, but what are you going to do?
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Postby Taber » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:32 pm

Militia's were nearly always attached to some form of Civil government. Like a township or city or state.

I, for one, would not enjoy roving bands of armed men walking through my dwelling.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:34 pm

Your reading was incorrect/biased/incomplete, Militias are wholly legal under US law. For example...

Yes, they should remain. They're an exercise in the right to assembly, after all.
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Postby Kyndercorp » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:34 pm

Taber wrote:Militia's were nearly always attached to some form of Civil government. Like a township or city or state.

I, for one, would not enjoy roving bands of armed men walking through my dwelling.

I second that notion
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Postby Arine » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:34 pm

Taber wrote:Militia's were nearly always attached to some form of Civil government. Like a township or city or state.

I, for one, would not enjoy roving bands of armed men walking through my dwelling.

Would you rather have a government that tells you what to think, what to eat, what to read?! I would rather die than give up my rights!

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Postby Dejanic » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:34 pm

Definitely.
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Postby Constaniana » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:35 pm

I'm no expert, but I thought the National Guard, run by the individual states, counts as militias.
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Postby Aethrys » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:35 pm

The US should allow well regulated militias.
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Postby Arine » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:36 pm

Constaniana wrote:I'm no expert, but I thought the National Guard, run by the individual states, counts as militias.

But they are still attached to the federal government.

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Postby Taber » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:37 pm

Arine wrote:
Taber wrote:Militia's were nearly always attached to some form of Civil government. Like a township or city or state.

I, for one, would not enjoy roving bands of armed men walking through my dwelling.

Would you rather have a government that tells you what to think, what to eat, what to read?! I would rather die than give up my rights!


Slippery slope detected.

Name one thing the government does that tells me what to eat, think, and read. My Service doesn't count.

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Postby Arine » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:38 pm

Taber wrote:
Arine wrote:Would you rather have a government that tells you what to think, what to eat, what to read?! I would rather die than give up my rights!


Slippery slope detected.

Name one thing the government does that tells me what to eat, think, and read. My Service doesn't count.

Look up books banned in schools, look at some of the propaganda in schools, and look at Michelle Obama and her new laws.

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Postby The BaRen » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:39 pm

Meh.
Depends.
Most of these militias would probably be filled with 'crackpots' who have nothing else to do.
Although I have to ask, why do we need militia's right now? There isn't any kind of government coup de tat or enormous political strife in the US right now. Maybe a militia in gang ridden neighborhoods. Then again, these would be just another example of a gang.
Yes, I support the right to form militias, although only on a county level and approval from the Mayor and City Council.
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Postby Taber » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:39 pm

Arine wrote:
Taber wrote:
Slippery slope detected.

Name one thing the government does that tells me what to eat, think, and read. My Service doesn't count.

Look up books banned in schools, look at some of the propaganda in schools, and look at Michelle Obama and her new laws.


Provide me with evidence, sir.

"Propaganda" in schools? Like what?

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Postby The balkens » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:40 pm

Arine wrote:
Taber wrote:
Slippery slope detected.

Name one thing the government does that tells me what to eat, think, and read. My Service doesn't count.

Look up books banned in schools, look at some of the propaganda in schools, and look at Michelle Obama and her new laws.


Wat.

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:40 pm

Constaniana wrote:I'm no expert, but I thought the National Guard, run by the individual states, counts as militias.

It is. Under US law, 'militia' is split into 'organized' (usually/mostly consisting of the National Guard forces) and 'unorganized' (under the law held to apply to all males between 18 and 45 if memory serves, basically those eligible for the draft).

State laws on the matter can hold some peculiarities, making citizens members of the state version of the 'unorganized' militia (which may have different or no recruiting standards as opposed to the federal one) or making distinct organizations named 'State Guard'/'Home Guard'/etc. which may or may not fall under the National Guard forces of that state which consist of those eligible for call-up to the state militia while retaining separation from the National Guard organization (I believe it was traditionally done so that State's wouldn't be left high and dry forces-wise if their National Guard contingents were federalized, but don't know for certain about that one).
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Postby Arine » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:41 pm

The BaRen wrote:Meh.
Depends.
Most of these militias would probably be filled with 'crackpots' who have nothing else to do.
Although I have to ask, why do we need militia's right now? There isn't any kind of government coup de tat or enormous political strife in the US right now. Maybe a militia in gang ridden neighborhoods. Then again, these would be just another example of a gang.
Yes, I support the right to form militias, although only on a county level and approval from the Mayor and City Council.

The feds are already telling us what guns we can own, when we can talk about religion, and what our kids can read!

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Postby Taber » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:42 pm

Arine wrote:
The BaRen wrote:Meh.
Depends.
Most of these militias would probably be filled with 'crackpots' who have nothing else to do.
Although I have to ask, why do we need militia's right now? There isn't any kind of government coup de tat or enormous political strife in the US right now. Maybe a militia in gang ridden neighborhoods. Then again, these would be just another example of a gang.
Yes, I support the right to form militias, although only on a county level and approval from the Mayor and City Council.

The feds are already telling us what guns we can own, when we can talk about religion, and what our kids can read!


Sources, please.

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Postby Constaniana » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:45 pm

Taber wrote:
Arine wrote:The feds are already telling us what guns we can own, when we can talk about religion, and what our kids can read!


Sources, please.

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Postby Pilotto » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:45 pm

Occupied Deutschland wrote:Your reading was incorrect/biased/incomplete, Militias are wholly legal under US law. For example...

Yes, they should remain. They're an exercise in the right to assembly, after all.

This.

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Postby Boomhaueristan » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:46 pm

Thankfully, militias can swim.
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Postby Taber » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:47 pm

Constaniana wrote:
Taber wrote:
Sources, please.

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Postby Diopolis » Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:53 pm

Yes. If you meant "should the US allow private militias?", then no.
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