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Postby Merasia » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:18 pm

Small Huts wrote:Alright believers. Let's say I'm willing to grant the supernatural entity's existence, that I've had a personal revelation that leads me to say, "I have felt the presence". Which religion should I follow?

Shouldn't you be asking God? He should be able to let you know, right? Ask honestly, respectfully, and be open to accepting an answer. If he's real, he should be able to answer you in a way you can understand, no?
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Postby Straughn » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:33 am

Merasia wrote:
Small Huts wrote:Alright believers. Let's say I'm willing to grant the supernatural entity's existence, that I've had a personal revelation that leads me to say, "I have felt the presence". Which religion should I follow?

Shouldn't you be asking God? He should be able to let you know, right? Ask honestly, respectfully, and be open to accepting an answer. If he's real, he should be able to answer you in a way you can understand, no?
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Postby Callisdrun » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:03 am

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Eternal Life with God wrote:Worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, the One, true God.

You're right, Islam is the Light!

I was talking about the Judeo-Christian faith :eyebrow:

This might be news to you, but Muslims also worship the god of Abraham.
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Postby Whole Conviction » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:19 am

Callisdrun wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:
Whole Conviction wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:Worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, the One, true God.

You're right, Islam is the Light!

I was talking about the Judeo-Christian faith :eyebrow:

This might be news to you, but Muslims also worship the god of Abraham.

I think it is news to him.

To expand for the benefit of others: Muslims acknowledge Abraham, Isaac, all the Old Testament Prophets. They carried the word of god, they were good men. They even acknowledge Jesus, although they say that he was only a Prophet, since god is indivisible and does not procreate. That his word has been misused by humans; traditionally, Islam had a soft spot for Christians, since they were at least somewhat related.

Mohammed was not the ONLY prophet of god. He was the last, and the one who wrote it down most accurately. His future was revealed to him by a visit from the archangel Gabriel in his dreams.

So yeah, Allah = Jahweh/Elohim/The LORD. At least according to Muslims. Christians might dispute that, but a number of Jews probably dispute that the God of Christians is the same as theirs.
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Postby Bottle » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:24 am

Callisdrun wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:
Whole Conviction wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:Worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, the One, true God.

You're right, Islam is the Light!

I was talking about the Judeo-Christian faith :eyebrow:

This might be news to you, but Muslims also worship the god of Abraham.

Never ceases to entertain me, how the most aggressively and rudely religious folks out there are inevitably the least informed about religion. :D
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Postby Allbeama » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:32 am

Ba'al. 'nuff said.
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Postby Jade Shadows » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:46 am

Christians use cyclical arguments which are only valid if one accepts the assumption that the Bible is the literal word of God, despite historical proof of how it's been mangled and messed with over the centuries. Atheists only care to show off their ability to form rational arguments, having a faith in information and the systems used to transmit information far beyond that achieved by the most dictatorial religions (and usually react very badly to the idea of experiences which are beyond words, as that attacks their beliefs). Many think that their daydreaming is of equal worth as anything else, for some reason I have yet to be able to understand. Others throw in humour. Myself, it is my firm belief that it is a mistake to have firm beliefs, and I train in the ceremonial magick of a number of systems every day. Not because I believe in anything, gods, angels, heaven, or hell; but because those practices produce reliable, beneficial effects. The only thing I can say for sure is that when i do certain things, other things tend to follow. To quote Crowley: "We place no reliance on virgin or pigeon, our method is science, our aim is religion." I don't like labels much, but in these matters theurgist or hermeticist I object to the least. Have fun peeps, but try not to take these childish games for more than they are.

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Postby Shu Thien » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:49 am

Small Huts wrote:Alright believers. Let's say I'm willing to grant the supernatural entity's existence, that I've had a personal revelation that leads me to say, "I have felt the presence". Which religion should I follow?


To ad my own late opinion: I advice you to choose a philosophy or 'a way of life' instead of a 'true religion' (remark the quotation marks I use, since everybody has its own interpretation and view of these concepts).

In Buddhism or Taoism for example, you don't have a deity comparable to 'God' and you focus more on your own state of mind and your state of being in harmony with the universe. Of course you can still discuss many other things like your vision of reincarnation and karma and the concept of the Tao, but if you really have a slight sense of insight you try to relativise the 'known definitions' of these terms and you don't have to discuss it anyway. While in many religions the written word(books) and the saints and deities are considered to be untouchable and important - thus could lead to discontent and frustration/disagreement when these things and their authenticity are questioned by some - in several Eastern philosophies all these things are less important and are allowed to be questioned.

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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:53 am

Jade Shadows wrote:Christians use cyclical arguments which are only valid if one accepts the assumption that the Bible is the literal word of God, despite historical proof of how it's been mangled and messed with over the centuries. Atheists only care to show off their ability to form rational arguments, having a faith in information and the systems used to transmit information far beyond that achieved by the most dictatorial religions (and usually react very badly to the idea of experiences which are beyond words, as that attacks their beliefs). Many think that their daydreaming is of equal worth as anything else, for some reason I have yet to be able to understand. Others throw in humour. Myself, it is my firm belief that it is a mistake to have firm beliefs, and I train in the ceremonial magick of a number of systems every day. Not because I believe in anything, gods, angels, heaven, or hell; but because those practices produce reliable, beneficial effects. The only thing I can say for sure is that when i do certain things, other things tend to follow. To quote Crowley: "We place no reliance on virgin or pigeon, our method is science, our aim is religion." I don't like labels much, but in these matters theurgist or hermeticist I object to the least. Have fun peeps, but try not to take these childish games for more than they are.


I doubt that you actually know any atheists, except for the ones living in your head.
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Postby Greengrow » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:55 am

Muravyets wrote:
Greengrow wrote:Well thats [that's] right there [. There] is no accurate view[,] which is why i [I] would think that the ones that are closer to it[,] like the older ones[,] would be more accurate.

Well i [, I] suppose u [you] do have to read it and interprut [interpret[ it urself [yourself,] which is why you get people like me who looks [look] at the creation and dont [don't] take it literally[,] while some others do[.]

1) Then your argument that the older versions are more accurate is based on nothing but an arbitrary assignment of "truthiness" based on your own personal preferences. That makes it meaningful to no one but you and, thus, relevant to no one and nothing but you.

2) Geez-gods, invest in a frigging spellcheck already! I do not believe you can't figure out how to write correctly. I know people with severe dyslexia who do better than you.


Well yes it is but he asked nsg a question and I (why did you correct that its not at the start of a sentence) gave my answer.

What spelling mistakes did I make? Why do you have to tease me and my writing style
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Postby Jade Shadows » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:56 am

"I doubt that you actually know any atheists, except for the ones living in your head."

Some make up things that aren't true to increase their ego-comfort. The friend I hang out with the most has a delightful disbelief in my practices, which i value highly, as he is very intelligent and well educated and would notice if I went off the deep end, thus helping me to return to psychological health quickly.
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Postby Nordicus » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:17 pm

Greengrow wrote:(why did you correct that its not at the start of a sentence)

"I," when used as a pronoun, is capitalized regardless of where it is placed in a sentence. For example: "He went to the store, but I stayed home."
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Postby F1-Insanity » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:26 pm

Whole Conviction wrote:
Callisdrun wrote:This might be news to you, but Muslims also worship the god of Abraham.

I think it is news to him.


The concepts are mutually exclusive, despite claims to the contrary. But it is all academic, since neither actually exists.

Islam had a soft spot for Christians, since they were at least somewhat related.


Which is why quran tells muslims not to take christians as friends?

Mohammed was not the ONLY prophet of god. He was the last, and the one who wrote it down most accurately. His future was revealed to him by a visit from the archangel Gabriel in his dreams.


The last according to himself, he suffered from hallucinations and schizophrenia since the 'archangel Gabriel' also doesn't exist. What do we do in modern times with people who insist that they keep hearing 'voices' when they are alone?

Never trust anyone who proclaims himself prophet and has had 'revelations' exclusively revealed to him. In other words, snake oil salesmen. Hell, I could say that 'god' changed its mind and has appointed ME to be the new latest prophet. How would you know if it wasn't really true?
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Postby Niur » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:27 pm

You should follow the religion of the Aztecs, the most accepting and peaceful religion in the world.؟
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Postby Muravyets » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:40 pm

Greengrow wrote:
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Greengrow wrote:Well thats [that's] right there [. There] is no accurate view[,] which is why i would think that the ones that are closer to it[,] like the older ones[,] would be more accurate.

Well i [, I] suppose u [you] do have to read it and interprut [interpret[ it urself [yourself,] which is why you get people like me who looks [look] at the creation and dont [don't] take it literally[,] while some others do[.]

1) Then your argument that the older versions are more accurate is based on nothing but an arbitrary assignment of "truthiness" based on your own personal preferences. That makes it meaningful to no one but you and, thus, relevant to no one and nothing but you.

2) Geez-gods, invest in a frigging spellcheck already! I do not believe you can't figure out how to write correctly. I know people with severe dyslexia who do better than you.


Well yes it is but he asked nsg a question and I (why did you correct that its not at the start of a sentence) gave my answer.

What spelling mistakes did I make? Why do you have to tease me and my writing style

1) You made an assertion of fact, i.e. that older versions of Christianity are more accurate to Jesus's teachings than newer ones. That assertion of fact has been shown to be based only on your own entirely arbitrary standard and personal preferences. Therefore, in answer to his question, the OP can safely ignore your advice and take up any version of Christianity he likes, if he goes that way at all. You have given him no [i]real reason not to.

2) The first-person pronoun "I" is always capitalized, even when it is not the start of a sentence.

3) I already told you why your bad writing is a problem. Other posters have also explained it to you, even more politely. I am not interested in explaining it to you again. I'm not teasing you. I'm telling you, your writing makes debating with you not worth the effort it takes to figure out what you're talking about. Other posters with writing as bad as yours are usually just ignored by most people. We gave you a good chance. If you refuse to make an effort to communicate clearly, I don't see why we should have to make an effort to carry you along.

I'm not demanding perfection. I only want posts that are reasonably understandable upon first reading, so I don't have to spend 20 minute figuring them out before I know what answer to give. You can accomplish that with basic grammar, punctuation, and spelling.
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Postby Karsol » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:45 pm

Merasia wrote:
Small Huts wrote:Alright believers. Let's say I'm willing to grant the supernatural entity's existence, that I've had a personal revelation that leads me to say, "I have felt the presence". Which religion should I follow?

Shouldn't you be asking God? He should be able to let you know, right? Ask honestly, respectfully, and be open to accepting an answer. If he's real, he should be able to answer you in a way you can understand, no?

One, he might actually be a He/she/it
Two, 'He' maybe one of thousands upon millions.
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Postby Tokos » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:21 pm

Karsol wrote:One, he might actually be a He/she/it
Two, 'He' maybe one of thousands upon millions.


Polytheism treats the concept of the divine rather differently to monotheism. Allfather Odin, for example, is, though top dog, very different to YHWH in power (he's doomed to die), authority and morality (he's not so much "good" as just vaguely on the side of people, and quite happy to use deceit at any point, and occasionally rape giantesses).
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Postby Milks Empire » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:27 pm

Small Huts wrote:Alright believers. Let's say I'm willing to grant the supernatural entity's existence, that I've had a personal revelation that leads me to say, "I have felt the presence". Which religion should I follow?

That depends on which one seems closest to how the tug in your heart feels.
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Postby Tokos » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:28 pm

It helps if they give their name and address as well.

(I'm not being facetious, really)
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Postby Whole Conviction » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:36 pm

F1-Insanity wrote:
Whole Conviction wrote:
Callisdrun wrote:This might be news to you, but Muslims also worship the god of Abraham.

I think it is news to him.
The concepts are mutually exclusive, despite claims to the contrary. But it is all academic, since neither actually exists.

Then why argue?
Islam had a soft spot for Christians, since they were at least somewhat related.


Which is why quran tells muslims not to take christians as friends?

How many Christians follow every commandment of theirs?
Mohammed was not the ONLY prophet of god. He was the last, and the one who wrote it down most accurately. His future was revealed to him by a visit from the archangel Gabriel in his dreams.

The last according to himself, he suffered from hallucinations and schizophrenia since the 'archangel Gabriel' also doesn't exist. What do we do in modern times with people who insist that they keep hearing 'voices' when they are alone?

Never trust anyone who proclaims himself prophet and has had 'revelations' exclusively revealed to him. In other words, snake oil salesmen. Hell, I could say that 'god' changed its mind and has appointed ME to be the new latest prophet. How would you know if it wasn't really true?

*sighs* Are you actually asking me to justify Islamic mythology? Islam:Christianity::Christianity:Judaism. You can easily say most of the above about Christ and the Apostles. Is there anywhere where I said it actually happened?
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Postby Merasia » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:10 pm

Karsol wrote:
Merasia wrote:
Small Huts wrote:Alright believers. Let's say I'm willing to grant the supernatural entity's existence, that I've had a personal revelation that leads me to say, "I have felt the presence". Which religion should I follow?

Shouldn't you be asking God? He should be able to let you know, right? Ask honestly, respectfully, and be open to accepting an answer. If he's real, he should be able to answer you in a way you can understand, no?

One, he might actually be a He/she/it
Two, 'He' maybe one of thousands upon millions.

Well, you gotta start somewhere, right? Might as well go with tried and true... unless you're actually afraid of "offending” supernatural entities by misreference. I'm sure it will all get worked out.

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Postby Seperates » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:30 pm

Merasia wrote:
Karsol wrote:
Merasia wrote:
Small Huts wrote:Alright believers. Let's say I'm willing to grant the supernatural entity's existence, that I've had a personal revelation that leads me to say, "I have felt the presence". Which religion should I follow?

Shouldn't you be asking God? He should be able to let you know, right? Ask honestly, respectfully, and be open to accepting an answer. If he's real, he should be able to answer you in a way you can understand, no?

One, he might actually be a He/she/it
Two, 'He' maybe one of thousands upon millions.

Well, you gotta start somewhere, right? Might as well go with tried and true... unless you're actually afraid of "offending” supernatural entities by misreference. I'm sure it will all get worked out.

Actually, if he/she/it even exists... I doubt that it's going to waste it's time reveling itself to a pathethetic mortal like you. So get off your knees, stop praying, and do something useful and good for the community!
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Postby Nordicus » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:13 pm

Seperates wrote:Actually, if he/she/it even exists... I doubt that it's going to waste it's time reveling itself to a pathethetic mortal like you. So get off your knees, stop praying, and do something useful and good for the community!

Like build a church!

Er... :?
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Postby Callisdrun » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:10 am

Bottle wrote:
Callisdrun wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:
Whole Conviction wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:Worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, the One, true God.

You're right, Islam is the Light!

I was talking about the Judeo-Christian faith :eyebrow:

This might be news to you, but Muslims also worship the god of Abraham.

Never ceases to entertain me, how the most aggressively and rudely religious folks out there are inevitably the least informed about religion. :D

Indeed. I am religious, but I hope I'm not aggressive and rude about it.

I find it quite silly when I know things about others' religions that they do not.
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Postby Rolamec » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:10 am

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