[DRAFT] On Execution

[Losthaven]

I would imagine a situation where someone was victimizing other inmates might also qualify.

"Most prisons have an option for excessively violent inmates that cannot be trusted to socialize with other inmates. Many maximum security facilities have such contingencies, and even if a nation doesn't have them, steps can be taken easily. I don't think that would quite qualify as a situation that exceeds the onus for "only available means"."

Disciplinary segregation units are not always effective at keeping everyone "safe". As you might imagine, there are problems that can arise when you house all of your most violent and unstable people together, even if it's in special, high security housing. Even death row inmates who are housed by themselves in 23 hour lockdown still get an hour of shower/yard time.

I could imagine under this law that there would still be executions permitted in cases where there was evidence the person could not be imprisoned "safely". But I guess that begs the question: are we trying to backdoor a total ban on execution in the guise of still allowing them in extreme situations, or are we allowing that there are some cases in which execution is legitimate and appropriate?

Aurelia's text certainly gives the impression that he wants to do the later.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

On second thought, clause 3 could easily be construed as optionality. Why should nations be given exceptions for a capital punishment ban (which is essentially what this resolution is) when they are the ones with inferior penal systems? Good luck making this one work. It will be reported no sooner than it is submitted. Fair warning.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I could imagine under this law that there would still be executions permitted in cases where there was evidence the person could not be imprisoned "safely". But I guess that begs the question: are we trying to backdoor a total ban on execution in the guise of still allowing them in extreme situations, or are we allowing that there are some cases in which execution is legitimate and appropriate?

Aurelia's text certainly gives the impression that he wants to do the later.

Really? Because I see it as the former.

[Losthaven]

I could imagine under this law that there would still be executions permitted in cases where there was evidence the person could not be imprisoned "safely". But I guess that begs the question: are we trying to backdoor a total ban on execution in the guise of still allowing them in extreme situations, or are we allowing that there are some cases in which execution is legitimate and appropriate?

Aurelia's text certainly gives the impression that he wants to do the later.

Really? Because I see it as the former.

Well, I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt here. I would like to hear from Auralia what they're playing at and if they are just trying to back-door a total execution ban while tricking member nations into thinking that there are exceptions.

[Linux and the X]

OPPOSED

[Christian Democrats]

OPPOSED

That's nice. Do you think Auralia's proposal is too strict or too lenient?

[Linux and the X]

OPPOSED

That's nice. Do you think Auralia's proposal is too strict or too lenient?

We disagree with its assertion that "imprisonment is a legitimate alternative to execution".

[Christian Democrats]

That's nice. Do you think Auralia's proposal is too strict or too lenient?

We disagree with its assertion that "imprisonment is a legitimate alternative to execution".

Does that mean your nation supports the death penalty?

[Imperium Anglorum]

Really? Because I see it as the former.

Well, I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt here. I would like to hear from Auralia what they're playing at and if they are just trying to back-door a total execution ban while tricking member nations into thinking that there are exceptions.

Perfectly reasonable. Didn't see this response. I would also like to say to Auralia that if you've taken offence of my questioning of motivations, I apologise.

[Linux and the X]

We disagree with its assertion that "imprisonment is a legitimate alternative to execution".

Does that mean your nation supports the death penalty?

No.

[Excidium Planetis]

"Can the author explain to me under what circumstances nations would be allowed to execute? I just need one example, preferably an example from an actual WA nation.'

[Tinfect]

"Can the author explain to me under what circumstances nations would be allowed to execute? I just need one example, preferably an example from an actual WA nation.'

"Under the current draft, only if your Nation contains no prisons or other such facilities whatsoever. We recommend seeing our initial statement on the draft, from earlier in the debate."

[Linux and the X]

Does that mean your nation supports the death penalty?

No.

Also, we call for a retraction of the (implied) statement.