I have the right to use government land (now with slavery!)

[Farnhamia]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/

Quick synopsis on this situation is as followed Cliven Bundy a Nevada rancher was using land in Clark County to graze his families cattle for around 20 years. What's the deal you say? He doesn't own the land his cattle is grazing on. Other ranchers around the area pay a grazing fee to the government to use the land but for some reason Bundy felt he was above the government and refused to pay the grazing fee and now he owes around $1 million dollars to the government in grazing fees and so they BLM began to round up his cattle. Armed protestors from as far as Florida have come to the defense of Bundy. One protester says "we're not here to escalate things were only here to protect the rancher"

If you want to read the story then click the link above.

[Gig em Aggies]

My thoughts: this whole situation is not about the government or the cattle it's about one old hard ass refusing to pay a fee to use public lands. Who believes he's above the law and everyone around who thinks "I ain't no criminal but I have the right to use land that's not mine without laying so suck it government guys"

[Blazedtown]

You have to pay the fees, just like everyone else.

[God Kefka]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/

Quick synopsis on this situation is as followed Cliven Bundy a Nevada rancher was using land in Clark County to graze his families cattle for around 20 years. What's the deal you say? He doesn't own the land his cattle is grazing on. Other ranchers around the area pay a grazing fee to the government to use the land but for some reason Bundy felt he was above the government and refused to pay the grazing fee and now he owes around $1 million dollars to the government in grazing fees and so they BLM began to round up his cattle. Armed protestors from as far as Florida have come to the defense of Bundy. One protester says "we're not here to escalate things were only here to protect the rancher"

If you want to read the story then click the link above.

Is he by any chance related to Ted Bundy?

[Pandeeria]

Definitely the BLM.

[Pilotto]

It's state land, and the federal government is forcing him to pay grazing fees. Shouldn't the state government be the one leveling any fees?

[Greed and Death]

What a silly position to hold, I do not have to pay the fee.
He should get a lawyer and go to court before things get out of hand.

[The Victorian Empire]

Why would anyone come to the defense of someone who thinks they're above the law? And how the fuck did he manage to compile so much debt without anybody noticing earlier? God damn Nevada, get your shit together.

[Shofercia]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/

Quick synopsis on this situation is as followed Cliven Bundy a Nevada rancher was using land in Clark County to graze his families cattle for around 20 years. What's the deal you say? He doesn't own the land his cattle is grazing on. Other ranchers around the area pay a grazing fee to the government to use the land but for some reason Bundy felt he was above the government and refused to pay the grazing fee and now he owes around $1 million dollars to the government in grazing fees and so they BLM began to round up his cattle. Armed protestors from as far as Florida have come to the defense of Bundy. One protester says "we're not here to escalate things were only here to protect the rancher"

If you want to read the story then click the link above.

Ukraine's in Nevada?

[Napkiraly]

It's state land, and the federal government is forcing him to pay grazing fees. Shouldn't the state government be the one leveling any fees?

In the article it states it's federal land.

[Greed and Death]

It's state land, and the federal government is forcing him to pay grazing fees. Shouldn't the state government be the one leveling any fees?

Nearly 85% of all Nevada Land is federal.
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There have been moves to sell the land to private interest/states, but they have generally been blocked by the environmental lobby.

I also understand the grievance if the land had been owned by the states the ranchers would more likely be able to get free grazing as a political concession as happens in most states.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

So he's refused to pay the grazing fee, more or less blatantly breaking the law, and people are coming to protest in his support for breaking the law?

[Gig em Aggies]

What a silly position to hold, I do not have to pay the fee.
He should get a lawyer and go to court before things get out of hand.

It's kinda late for that when you have armed goons supporting the rancher.

[Shofercia]

So he's refused to pay the grazing fee, more or less blatantly breaking the law, and people are coming to protest in his support for breaking the law?

It's called the Ukrainian Syndrome. It's when you use land/gas that belongs to someone else, and then refuse to pay, while arming yourself.

[Greed and Death]

So he's refused to pay the grazing fee, more or less blatantly breaking the law, and people are coming to protest in his support for breaking the law?

There is a reason why, and it is because Ranchers in a few states such as Nevada have to live with all the grazing land being federally owned. In other states like Texas the ranchers would have local control of the grazing land so they could come up with a better mechanism than fees to prevent over grazing.

[Aeken]

Ridiculous.

[Thafoo]

What a deluded idiot.

[Napkiraly]

So he's refused to pay the grazing fee, more or less blatantly breaking the law, and people are coming to protest in his support for breaking the law?

Maybe he thinks he's Judge Dredd.

[Eowyth]

Both sides of this are at fault; the state shouldn't have let a herd of cattle onto the land in the first place! Imagine seeing this guy coming down the street with a massive group of cows. You don't just not notice it. Also, it's grass, not gold. It will regrow in a couple days.

But, at the same time, you don't put all your livestock on a place somebody owns without a warrant. It's like those people who make their dogs crap on your lawn.

[Gig em Aggies]

Both sides of this are at fault; the state shouldn't have let a herd of cattle onto the land in the first place! Imagine seeing this guy coming down the street with a massive group of cows. You don't just not notice it. Also, it's grass, not gold. It will regrow in a couple days.

But, at the same time, you don't put all your livestock on a place somebody owns without a warrant. It's like those people who make their dogs crap on your lawn.

It's kinda of impossible to prevent him from moving his cows on the land I mean a fence just won't do and the gov ain't got nough money or people to sit out their 24/7 to say hey hey hey hey you can't do that so turn around. As you can see by his actions right now do you think he would've stopped when a cop says hey you can't move your cows on the road like that.

[Vetalia]

What is the purpose of the fee he's supposed to pay?

[Occupied Deutschland]

So he's refused to pay the grazing fee, more or less blatantly breaking the law, and people are coming to protest in his support for breaking the law?

Sagebrush rebels, look it up.

Federal land and the fucked-uppery of the BLM is a rather long-standing issue out here in the West, especially in regards to common use land. There's a lot of built-up resentment over federal lands being closed off or restricted for little to no purpose. Hence why the article refers to the arrival of 'militia' groups.

On top of just that, there's a rather common pattern of such restrictions on common-use land being undertaken under the Endangered Species Act with a good deal of hijinkery in the application thereof where the neccessity of taking such action is questionable at best (oftentimes with political or corporate hands being looked at with suspicion, though they may not always be involved).

Hence why Cliven is getting some sympathizers. Did he break the grazing laws? Certainly did. But a good number of people are none too happy with the federal application of those grazing laws (the aforementioned BLM fucked-uppery and questionable application of environmental laws) and hold an appreciation for someone flipping the bird to them that overrides the harm that someone might be committing by refusing to abide by those regulations and restrictions emplaced.

Edit: And we could also point to the BLMs rather poor handling of this recently. The thing that's managed to catapult it into a minor bit of the national stage being their attempted confining of protestors to designated areas earlier in the week.

[Gig em Aggies]

What is the purpose of the fee he's supposed to pay?

It's basically an access fee which I mean the gov lets say charges $1000 USD for a heard of 100 to graze on federal land. Just like when you pay to get into a sporting event or theme park your paying them a certain amount of money and in return they give you access to their property. And so he didn't pay the fees so hew can't use the land to graze his cattle and now he's bitching about it. He's like "oh no gov won't let me use their land with out paying oh well I use it anyways" and so that's why their confiscating his cattle.

[Des-Bal]

Both sides of this are at fault; the state shouldn't have let a herd of cattle onto the land in the first place!1 Imagine seeing this guy coming down the street with a massive group of cows2. You don't just not notice it. Also, it's grass, not gold. It will regrow in a couple days.

But, at the same time, you don't put all your livestock on a place somebody owns without a warrant3. It's like those people who make their dogs crap on your lawn4.

1. The land is for grazing.
2. Grass fed cattle are often driven to certain areas to graze, it's not super shocking.
3. I am positive that's not the word you're looking for.
4. See 1

[Gauthier]

Why would anyone come to the defense of someone who thinks they're above the law? And how the fuck did he manage to compile so much debt without anybody noticing earlier? God damn Nevada, get your shit together.

Republicatarians who want the government abolished completely.