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Should the US grant statehood to Puerto Rico?

Yes
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No
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The Rich Port
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:14 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
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It's all the more weirder considering not really.

The majority are light-skinned/white, reflecting the former Spanish domination of the island. Ethnically, maybe, but the white/mainstream culture dominate as usual.

I think, in that regard, we are similar to America, in that we resent our colonial overlords in the same way. It's irrational, sure, but it's there.


As a Spaniard, I've never encountered any resentment from Puerto Ricans. In fact, the relationship between PR and Spain is very amicable.


I get the feeling they wouldn't say it to your face, Nana, especially if you're nice, but it's there.

I don't resent Spaniards at all. I may have said so before somewhere, but it was in jest, honestly. I think it's stupid to resent the Spanish, regardless of all the awful things they did to PR...

Um... OK, digging myself into a hole here...
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:18 pm

The Rich Port wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
As a Spaniard, I've never encountered any resentment from Puerto Ricans. In fact, the relationship between PR and Spain is very amicable.


I get the feeling they wouldn't say it to your face, Nana, especially if you're nice, but it's there.

I don't resent Spaniards at all. I may have said so before somewhere, but it was in jest, honestly. I think it's stupid to resent the Spanish, regardless of all the awful things they did to PR...

Um... OK, digging myself into a hole here...


It's quite alright, Richie. I may love my country, but I'm not blind or ignorant to its past mistakes. Yes, we were awful and partly to blame for a lot of the bad things that transpired in the Americas. What we did still has repercussions.

But I still love my country.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:20 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
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I get the feeling they wouldn't say it to your face, Nana, especially if you're nice, but it's there.

I don't resent Spaniards at all. I may have said so before somewhere, but it was in jest, honestly. I think it's stupid to resent the Spanish, regardless of all the awful things they did to PR...

Um... OK, digging myself into a hole here...


It's quite alright, Richie. I may love my country, but I'm not blind or ignorant to its past mistakes. Yes, we were awful and partly to blame for a lot of the bad things that transpired in the Americas. What we did still has repercussions.

But I still love my country.


As well as you should. I think Spanish culture is beautiful and amazing.

But, it's there. I get the feeling nobody told it to your face because, it's not as easy as they think to distinguish a Puerto Rican from a Spaniard and people would think Puerto Ricans are stupid if they did say it...

Welp, I'm ashamed of my country.
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Postby Hochste Kaiserreich » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:42 pm

Having traveled to Puerto Rico numerous times, and being Puerto Rican myself, I must say:

Absolutely Fucking Not.

Simply because the Island shares an economy, education, and general situation closer to that of Mexico than any U.S. state. Not to mention English fluency on the island is rather rare. Making Puerto Rico a state would only put us deeper in a deficit, the only reason I think we keep it around is for naval bases. I would grant it independence rather than letting it into the Union, honestly.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:07 pm

Hochste Kaiserreich wrote:Having traveled to Puerto Rico numerous times, and being Puerto Rican myself, I must say:

Absolutely Fucking Not.

Simply because the Island shares an economy, education, and general situation closer to that of Mexico than any U.S. state. Not to mention English fluency on the island is rather rare. Making Puerto Rico a state would only put us deeper in a deficit, the only reason I think we keep it around is for naval bases. I would grant it independence rather than letting it into the Union, honestly.


Historically, PR. was once part of New Spain and Mexico City was the main administration city for New Spain.

US navy pulled out of there major base some time ago. PR. is not essential to US security. Yes in the 20 century but not in the 21 century. The main problem are the US companies that sell to PR. They like the monopoly. Those companies are located in US states that love seeing there local businesses making money which translates into jobs for there State Citizens. So they rather keep PR. in the status it has had for years. After all, if PR. should go independent then the monopoly is over. Then they will need to really compete with China, S. Korea and the EU.

If you look around China is busy investing in many nations around PR. the Chinese got involved in a joint venture with a Spanish company in the Dominican Republic a few years ago. The Chinese invested 400 million US dollars in the Dominican Republic, which recognizes Taiwan, in a type of hotel complex. In PR. you never really hear of the Chinese investing which is strange since compared to the rest of the region we have good infrastructure and excellent insurance and financial services. So what is that all about. Seems someone does not want the competition.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:12 pm

Hochste Kaiserreich wrote:Having traveled to Puerto Rico numerous times, and being Puerto Rican myself, I must say:

Absolutely Fucking Not.

Simply because the Island shares an economy, education, and general situation closer to that of Mexico than any U.S. state. Not to mention English fluency on the island is rather rare. Making Puerto Rico a state would only put us deeper in a deficit, the only reason I think we keep it around is for naval bases. I would grant it independence rather than letting it into the Union, honestly.

How on earth would it put PR into a deeper deficit? Unless you're referring to the US in which case I'd point out that a larger deficit isn't the end of the world considering the fact that it'd improve the lives of millions.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:25 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
It's all the more weirder considering not really.

The majority are light-skinned/white, reflecting the former Spanish domination of the island. Ethnically, maybe, but the white/mainstream culture dominate as usual.

I think, in that regard, we are similar to America, in that we resent our colonial overlords in the same way. It's irrational, sure, but it's there.


As a Spaniard, I've never encountered any resentment from Puerto Ricans. In fact, the relationship between PR and Spain is very amicable.


You are correct. The people here do not hate the Spanish. They like traveling to Spain. Also, to study and live there. One of our ex-Governors once lived there. You tend to hear more resentment against "Los Americanos" or some say the G word. :o
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:26 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
As a Spaniard, I've never encountered any resentment from Puerto Ricans. In fact, the relationship between PR and Spain is very amicable.


You are correct. The people here do not hate the Spanish. They like traveling to Spain. Also, to study and live there. One of our ex-Governors once lived there. You tend to hear more resentment against "Los Americanos" or some say the G word. :o


Snooty people do that. :p
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:31 pm

Rio Cana wrote:You are correct. The people here do not hate the Spanish. They like traveling to Spain. Also, to study and live there. One of our ex-Governors once lived there. You tend to hear more resentment against "Los Americanos" or some say the G word. :o

The only thing more bizarre about Hispanics after eating avocado savory rather than sweet is at how gringo is derogatory. :P
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:33 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:You are correct. The people here do not hate the Spanish. They like traveling to Spain. Also, to study and live there. One of our ex-Governors once lived there. You tend to hear more resentment against "Los Americanos" or some say the G word. :o

The only thing more bizarre about Hispanics after eating avocado savory rather than sweet is at how gringo is derogatory. :P



Seems you like to eat avocado in bread. :lol:
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:18 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:You are correct. The people here do not hate the Spanish. They like traveling to Spain. Also, to study and live there. One of our ex-Governors once lived there. You tend to hear more resentment against "Los Americanos" or some say the G word. :o

The only thing more bizarre about Hispanics after eating avocado savory rather than sweet is at how gringo is derogatory. :P


I find that funny. Mainly because 'gringo/a', originally, wasn't meant as a derogatory term. :lol2:

Rio Cana wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
As a Spaniard, I've never encountered any resentment from Puerto Ricans. In fact, the relationship between PR and Spain is very amicable.


I had a few classmates from PR when I was at university. They attend La Complutense de Madrid quite often, especially to study law or history. Puerto Ricans aren't an uncommon sight in Spain. They also go to study a lot in Barcelona and Sevilla.

You are correct. The people here do not hate the Spanish. They like traveling to Spain. Also, to study and live there. One of our ex-Governors once lived there. You tend to hear more resentment against "Los Americanos" or some say the G word. :o
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Postby Shnercropolis » Fri Mar 28, 2014 10:30 pm

Of course not! We'd have to reprint elementary-school textbooks countrywide, and update all the curriculum. And don't get me started on having to update the American flag everywhere.
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Postby The Rich Port » Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:34 am

Shnercropolis wrote:Of course not! We'd have to reprint elementary-school textbooks countrywide, and update all the curriculum. And don't get me started on having to update the American flag everywhere.


... We would?
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:06 pm

If it is their wish they should have the democratic right to secede, although I personally think they're better off being a part of the US with some autonomy.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:14 pm

If the majority of citizens want it.

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