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Ukraine Crisis II: Electric Boogaloo

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Arglorand
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Postby Arglorand » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:55 pm

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United Marxist Nations wrote:And what if the people reject liberal bourgeois democracy? Should they just be forced to vote for it anyway ?

If the people reject liberal burgeois democracy than certanly it would not had to do with the current CPU as their primarly goal is to rebuild the USSR or any association with Russia. The CPU is primarly a party of Soviet nostalgics. Socialism cones for them after uniting Russia.

A whole different case would be if the CPU would say "Yeah, we want socialism but in our country without any foreign help from outside. We want to overthrown tge burgeois here in Ukraine and we dont need Putib for that".
Ask your self how does supporting the Russian rebels has anything to do with overthrowing the burgoise? I don't see a link between the two.

I see a link in that if you support the Russian invader, you're playing right into the hands of the oligarchs like Akhmetov and the remnants of the old nomenklatura.

So if you are a communist who backs the Russian rebels, you're being basically a counterproductive communist who achieved the exactly opposite of what you intended. Good job. Let me clap. You basically completed the Stalinist dream of fucking up completely after barely starting on the road to socialism.
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Postby Malgrave » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:57 pm

Lyttenburg wrote:
Who is thie "President Yan"? Are we talking about the Ukraine here or the eastern Asia?


Don't try and act smart. I think everyone should know that Yan = Yanukovych.

Lyttenburg wrote:No, he was removed illegally, because there wasn't enough votes to cast him down. But, of course, for concerned Westerners so well versed in what is legal and what is now, such peice of paper as constitution of the Ukraine means nothing.


Yanukovych dumped documents in the Dnipro river before fleeing to Russia via Kharkiv and Crimea, so was unable to fulfil he constitutional duties as President. As newly elected Chairperson of Parliament Oleksandr Turchynov was the able to assume the powers of the Presidency and sign amendments to the constitution and put a date on Presidential elections.
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Postby Kouralia » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:01 pm

Malgrave wrote:
Lyttenburg wrote:
Who is thie "President Yan"? Are we talking about the Ukraine here or the eastern Asia?


Don't try and act smart. I think everyone should know that Yan = Yanukovych.

I thought you meant the President of Nielsen Holdings for Greater China, Yan Xuan.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:04 pm

Stand by for minor trawl - since it seems some can't manage to post ON TOPIC rather than going after individuals personally. Really, people. You know better.

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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:11 pm

Constantinopolis -- Ease up with the personal attacks. Just this side of warning from what I could see.

Lyttenburg -- knock it off. The tone, the intent, all of that needs to be adjusted to CIVIL DISCUSSION. Not 'flay the unbeliever' like you appear to be doing most of the time. So does the over-the-top political nicknaming. You appear to have gotten your knickers in a twist over the lighthearted Putin references and go hog wild with others. Mistake. *** Warned ***

Arglorand -- Same on the getting personal and tossing around names and such. The phrase 'socially inhibited sovok' was unkind as well. *** Warned ***

Yorkopolis -- you can cut out the 'dear friend' bit. With the tone you're using, it's baity. Stahp. *** Warning for Bating ***

EVERYONE ELSE:

There is a topic here. Granted, there are a lot of ins and outs with it. But individuals involved here are NOT the topic of this thread, or any others started subsequently. There's been a lot of bs tossed back and forth, a lot of rampant nationalism running wild, and a metric fuckton of propaganda flying about on all sides here.

I think what we're gonna do is restart this up, with a cautionary intro, and see how y'all handle it from there. I'm afraid the stinking piles y'all made of this thread are more or less irretrievable at this point. I'd pondered splitting out the junk, but there's simply too much of it. And it's interspersed in ways that well ... ain't worth my time to do. So. Keep yer shorts on and we'll get something going again. Lets not have it devolve into personal nastiness again, shall we? Thanks.

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