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[ARCHIVED DEBATE] A Civilized Debate on Religion

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Does/Do God(s) Exist?

Yes
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41%
No
207
33%
Maybe
50
8%
I Don't Know
61
10%
I Don't Care
45
7%
 
Total votes : 620

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[ARCHIVED DEBATE] A Civilized Debate on Religion

Postby Hakio » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:07 am

Does God exist? Also what are your opinions on religion? I believe that all sides of this debate can respect eachothers' opinions and do this in a civilized fashion. We can also talk about logical fallacies, the problem of evil, Satan, Hell and other religious topics. I am, personally, an atheist and I believe that there is no god(s) or supernatural entities of any kind. I wish for us to engage in a respectable conversation on beliefs and tradition and what value god has in our modern society.
Don't turn this into a flame war... please.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:08 am

All gods can be rendered mundane, tautologous, or impossible.
So either your god doesn't exist, or it isn't a god.
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There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.
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Postby Deusaeuri » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:09 am

Hakio wrote:Does God exist?

What is God?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:09 am

Sun Wukong wrote:There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.


Hence my claim that all gods can be shown to be mundane, impossible, or tautologous.
I've never seen a definition of god that doesn't fall under these.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:09 am

Hakio wrote:Don't turn this into a flame war... please.

Well after you went to such lengths to make a good thread how could we possibly be anything but respectful?
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Postby Hakio » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:09 am

Sun Wukong wrote:There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.

Okay, then can we attempt to define our terms then?
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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:09 am

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:10 am

Hakio wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.

Okay, then can we attempt to define our terms then?


It's not up to the atheists and skeptics to define god. It's the people proposing it who should define it.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:10 am

Hakio wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.

Okay, then can we attempt to define our terms then?

By all means. Define "God."
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Postby Hakio » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:10 am

Nua Corda wrote:Dis gun get locked. Good luck.

No it isn't. As long as we don't resort to insulting eachother this is perfectly fine.
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Postby Bezombia » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:10 am

Because these threads always go well and never get locked.
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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:11 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Hakio wrote:Okay, then can we attempt to define our terms then?


It's not up to the atheists and skeptics to define god.


I'm both, and I'll happily define it: god is a teapot orbiting the sun.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:11 am

Hakio wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:Dis gun get locked. Good luck.

No it isn't. As long as we don't resort to insulting eachother this is perfectly fine.


The OP is a little sparse. It could do with buffing out to avoid a lock.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:11 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:There can be no intelligent discussion of that which lacks a coherent definition.


Hence my claim that all gods can be shown to be mundane, impossible, or tautologous.
I've never seen a definition of god that doesn't fall under these.

In fairness, a mundane god could be said to exist. It just doesn't really matter.
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:11 am

Hakio wrote:Does God exist? Also what are your opinions on religion?
Don't turn this into a flame war... please.

I like religion and believe in God. What's your opinion?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:12 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Hence my claim that all gods can be shown to be mundane, impossible, or tautologous.
I've never seen a definition of god that doesn't fall under these.

In fairness, a mundane god could be said to exist. It just doesn't really matter.


Sure. But at that point i'll say the defined god is so radically different to typical definitions that it's only a nominal exception to the overall stance that god doesn't exist.
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Postby Greater-London » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:13 am

Does god exist? Maybe. I think that if a god-like entity existed, one that has absolute power then they could never be explained proved/disproved by science. I know this is quite a lame/easy get out clause but if we accept that god is all knowing all powerful then it holds.

You cant talk about 'God' and 'Spirituality' within a scientific logical framework as they are so far removed from one and other.
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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:13 am

Hakio wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:Dis gun get locked. Good luck.

No it isn't. As long as we don't resort to insulting eachother this is perfectly fine.


It has no substance, no opinion from the OP, a tiny-ass OP, and is quickly becoming spam.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:13 am

Hakio wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:Dis gun get locked. Good luck.

No it isn't. As long as we don't resort to insulting eachother this is perfectly fine.

I think the rule of thumbs is that you should state your own opinion in the OP. So you might want to edit your post to include that.

Otherwise, it's a little short, but probably as direct as anything could be.
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Postby Bezombia » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:13 am

Nua Corda wrote:Well hello old chap, wasn't aware you could into general.


I do from time to time.
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Postby The IASM » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:13 am

Maybe, maybe not.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:13 am

Greater-London wrote:Does god exist? Maybe. I think that if a god-like entity existed, one that has absolute power then they could never be explained proved/disproved by science. I know this is quite a lame/easy get out clause but if we accept that god is all knowing all powerful then it holds.


Absolute power is an impossibility by it's nature. You don't need science to disprove it. Just logic. The absolute power god is one of those that can be shown to be impossible, and hence not exist.
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Postby The IASM » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:14 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Greater-London wrote:Does god exist? Maybe. I think that if a god-like entity existed, one that has absolute power then they could never be explained proved/disproved by science. I know this is quite a lame/easy get out clause but if we accept that god is all knowing all powerful then it holds.


Absolute power is an impossibility by it's nature. You don't need science to disprove it. Just logic. The absolute power god is one of those that can be shown to be impossible, and hence not exist.

What about nigh absolute power?
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Postby Sun Wukong » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:15 am

Greater-London wrote:Does god exist? Maybe. I think that if a god-like entity existed, one that has absolute power then they could never be explained proved/disproved by science. I know this is quite a lame/easy get out clause but if we accept that god is all knowing all powerful then it holds.

This is true only if we assume said deity is very shy, and does not want to be found. Otherwise, an omnipotent god could, by definition, grant proof of it's existence satisfactory to everyone.
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