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[Passed] Repeal "Liberate St Abbaddon"

Postby The Dourian Embassy » Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:12 pm

The Security Council,

Aware that "Liberate St Abbaddon" (SC#134) was passed to battle the then extant threat of The Brotherhood of Malice and a variety of regional armed forces to the region of St Abbaddon,

Understanding that the passage of this liberation helped to end the threat of destruction St Abbaddon was facing,

Knowing that the passage of this liberation, while successful in achieving its goals was also passed under false pretenses, and used as a tool by raider forces to open the region up further,

Cognizant that the liberation of St Abbaddon was passed without input or permission from the region's native residents whom have voiced their desires not to have this proposal in place,

Believing that this liberation is now superfluous, and an insult to the very principals this council stands for,

Hereby Repeals "Liberate St Abbadon"

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This should be going to vote tonight. Thought I'd make a thread.
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Postby SkyDip » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:08 pm

Topid gon' be sooooo angry witchu!
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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:10 pm

SkyDip wrote:Topid gon' be sooooo angry witchu!


Ca-caw!

Seriously though. He probably wasn't expecting me to clear out the queue like that, I guess?
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Postby SkyDip » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:11 pm

The Dourian Embassy wrote:
SkyDip wrote:Topid gon' be sooooo angry witchu!


Ca-caw!

Seriously though. He probably wasn't expecting me to clear out the queue like that, I guess?

Probably. It certainly dissuaded me. :P
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Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:12 pm

SkyDip wrote:
The Dourian Embassy wrote:
Ca-caw!

Seriously though. He probably wasn't expecting me to clear out the queue like that, I guess?

Probably. It certainly dissuaded me. :P


Well, I'm the one that helped to fill it in the first place. ;)

Surprise!
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Postby SkyDip » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:20 pm

The Dourian Embassy wrote:
SkyDip wrote:Probably. It certainly dissuaded me. :P


Well, I'm the one that helped to fill it in the first place. ;)

Surprise!

Quite a clever move, actually. I'm genuinely impressed.

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Postby Venico » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:55 pm

Mentions BoM and our operation? FOR
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Postby Riasy » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:54 pm

SkyDip wrote:Topid gon' be sooooo angry witchu!

Why Topid may become angry? I thought he was against that Liberation?
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Postby RiderSyl » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:00 am

I got extremely uncomfortable when reading that long exchange consisting of nothing but SkyDip and Dourian patting each other on the back. :meh:
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Postby Abacathea » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:15 am

I'm more annoyed that Doria didn't give me my props here so Dip could be impressed with me too. Damn glory hog.
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Postby Communist Eraser » Wed Mar 12, 2014 4:22 am

Ridersyl wrote:I got extremely uncomfortable when reading that long exchange consisting of nothing but SkyDip and Dourian patting each other on the back. :meh:


Pretty such this.
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:36 am

Ridersyl wrote:I got extremely uncomfortable when reading that long exchange consisting of nothing but SkyDip and Dourian patting each other on the back. :meh:

You must have a low threshold for discomfort.
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Postby Abacathea » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:13 am

SkyDip wrote:
Ridersyl wrote:I got extremely uncomfortable when reading that long exchange consisting of nothing but SkyDip and Dourian patting each other on the back. :meh:

You must have a low threshold for discomfort.


Still awaiting my damn applause 'Dip
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Postby Draica » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:33 am

Tung lets out a loud sigh before standing behind his podium and speaking on this matter.

"Does anyone not realize that raiders would not want to repeal this for nothing? They obviously plan to shut down the region and they obviously want it. I would move a liberation force in right away before the region is shut down."
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:37 am

Abacathea wrote:
SkyDip wrote:You must have a low threshold for discomfort.


Still awaiting my damn applause 'Dip

*pats Aba on the back too*

Draica wrote:Tung lets out a loud sigh before standing behind his podium and speaking on this matter.

"Does anyone not realize that raiders would not want to repeal this for nothing? They obviously plan to shut down the region and they obviously want it. I would move a liberation force in right away before the region is shut down."

Clearly you have no idea what's going on or has transpired in St Abbaddon recently.
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Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

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Postby Ramaeus » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:03 am

Abacathea wrote:
Still awaiting my damn applause 'Dip

Aww... poor Aba, not getting the attention he wants.

I see Douria has taught you well. :P
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Postby Abacathea » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:48 am

Ramaeus wrote:
Abacathea wrote:
Still awaiting my damn applause 'Dip

Aww... poor Aba, not getting the attention he wants.

I see Douria has taught you well. :P


Flooding the queue was my damn idea >_>

Maybe I should do an Auralia and give myself the attention. (Too soon? :p )
G.A #236; Renewable Energy Installations (Repealed)
G.A #239; Vehicle Emissions Convention (Repealed).
G.A #257; Reducing Automobile Emissions (Repealed).
G.A #263; Uranium Mining Standards Act
G.A #279; Right of Emigration
G.A #292; Nuclear Security Convention
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G.A #363; Preservation of Artefacts (repealed)
S.C #118; Commend SkyDip
S.C #120; Commend Mousebumples
S.C #122; Condemn Gest
S.C #124; Commend Bears Armed
S.C #125; Commend The Bruce
S.C #126; Commend Sanctaria
S.C #131: Commend NewTexas
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S.C #136; Repeal "Liberate St Abbaddon" (Co-Author)
S.C #143; Commend Hobbesistan
S.C #146; Repeal "Liberate Hogwarts"

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Postby SkyDip » Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:53 am

Abacathea wrote:
Ramaeus wrote:Aww... poor Aba, not getting the attention he wants.

I see Douria has taught you well. :P


Flooding the queue was my damn idea >_>

Oh, well then - top notch idea.

Abacathea wrote:Maybe I should do an Auralia and give myself the attention. (Too soon? :p )

You already have one badge - don't get greedy. :p
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

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Postby Abacathea » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:08 am

Ok Ok I wont :P

For the record, Douria cleared the thing faster than I could blink. If there's anyone I want to undertake evil with, it's him!:P
G.A #236; Renewable Energy Installations (Repealed)
G.A #239; Vehicle Emissions Convention (Repealed).
G.A #257; Reducing Automobile Emissions (Repealed).
G.A #263; Uranium Mining Standards Act
G.A #279; Right of Emigration
G.A #292; Nuclear Security Convention
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G.A #363; Preservation of Artefacts (repealed)
S.C #118; Commend SkyDip
S.C #120; Commend Mousebumples
S.C #122; Condemn Gest
S.C #124; Commend Bears Armed
S.C #125; Commend The Bruce
S.C #126; Commend Sanctaria
S.C #131: Commend NewTexas
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S.C #136; Repeal "Liberate St Abbaddon" (Co-Author)
S.C #143; Commend Hobbesistan
S.C #146; Repeal "Liberate Hogwarts"

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Postby The Palentine » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:13 am

Believing that this liberation is now superfluous, and an insult to the very principals this council stands for,


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! I haven't laughed so hard since grandma got her <censoreds>caught in the wringer. that reason alone is enough for me to give support to this repeal, old bean. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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Postby Bible-Black » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:47 am

According to reading over the forum guidelines on the security council, isn't this out of its jurisdiction.

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As menioned above, the Security Council can pass three types of resolutions:

Commendations - A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Condemnations - A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Liberations - A resolution to strike down Delegate-imposed barriers to free entry in a region.


Therefore, the power to repeal legislation is not within the security council means or powers.I believe that must be sent and cross applied over to the World Assembly. I know redundant but that's correct bureaucracy.

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Postby Wrapper » Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:59 am

Bible-Black wrote:Therefore, the power to repeal legislation is not within the security council means or powers.I believe that must be sent and cross applied over to the World Assembly. I know redundant but that's correct bureaucracy.

Incorrect. From the Rules for SC Proposals, rule 2d:
Repeals should address the contents of the resolution they're repealing, and not by just stating the reverse of the arguments given in the resolution.

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Postby Ygenovia » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:33 pm

Ygenovia cannot get involved in this vote. This means I cannot not vote for or against the proposal. I will be remianing neutral. It's none of my business.

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Postby Zercera » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:25 pm

Before I vote yes or no on this issue, as someone who isn't that involved in the warfare aspect of Nationstates, I would like to ask: What exactly went wrong in St Abbaddon?

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Postby The Dourian Embassy » Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:39 pm

Zercera wrote:Before I vote yes or no on this issue, as someone who isn't that involved in the warfare aspect of Nationstates, I would like to ask: What exactly went wrong in St Abbaddon?


Nothing went wrong in St Abbaddon from my end. You might wanna ask those defender type people though.
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