The NS Infantry Discussion Thread MkII*

by **Aqizithiuda** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:07 pm

Welcome to the Infantry in your Nation thread! A continuation of the Main Military Weapons thread series.

Unlike the previous series, this thread Is for the discussion of of your nations military's small arms, body armor, uniform, communications gear, and other general equipment. All tech levels are welcome, but please understand that this thread tends to be geared towards modern and post modern tech, so designs operating on unobtainium or other FT wankery are bound to be criticized from a realistic perspective. If having your designs evaluated for a realistic perspective does not appeal to you, it is advisable you do not post here. There is nothing wrong with past-tech, fantasy tech, or any other non-modern technology based nation posting a design, and you are welcome to post here, but be prepared for the inevitable "That won't work because..." post. These are not meant to offend you, they are meant to teach you. If you do not requirement enlightenment, simply leave it alone.

If you do post a design here, you agree that it will be criticized by the denizens of this thread. You are under no obligation to change the design based on this criticism, but continuing to argue in the face of facts will not bode well for you. Further, if you do not know, ask. If someone asks and you do not know the answer, don't respond. Speak on subjects you know, don't attempt to bullshit. Finally, there are plenty of people in this thread, both new and old, who have knowledge regarding a vast array of military technologies, try to learn from them Dispute if you will, but be prepared to use facts to back up your claims.

"Because it's magic" "I'm FT lawl" and "because I say so" are not valid arguments. Posters, if a player makes aid argument, drop it. These and other non-answers demonstrate that the poster has no desire to learn, therefore, you can not teach.

please avoid excessive posting of vehicles, regardless of their affect on infantry deployment, this is n infantry thread first and foremost, we have vehicle and aircraft threads for those.
The below is a sort of re-hask, tl;dr of the above.

House rules (would you kindly read these)

~ Originally by Risen Britannia, modified by Transnapastain and again by Aqizithiuda.

1: Read the OP. As you can probably guess from the title this thread has been round a while, the OP contains all allot some of the knowledge gained from previous iterations.

2: By posting you are accepting that they WILL be criticized, however it is up to you whether you listen (though you aren't going to make friends if you don't).

3: If you do offer criticism, make sure it's constructive, and don't assume that the person you're criticising knows what's wrong. "That won't work", "That's completely wrong" "What the hell is that abomination" and similar comments aren't helpful or constructive. Tell people why whatever is being designed won't work, especially if they ask you to explain. Saying "lul, an idiot can see why that won't work" or "because *insert obscure hint that only helps if the person you're talking to has the exact same set of knowledge as you do" and similar things will only lead to flame wars, trolling and people getting banned. Don't be a dick.

4: Be civil, site rules still apply. Due to past incidents we have Mods (Transnapastain) who is a regular here.

5: Whilst not encouraged off topic posts are allowed to an extent, EG you wont get a warning if you post a jet or tank etc... Just remember this thread is for infantry equipment, including but not limited to small arms, armor and uniforms.

6: While the F&NI sub forum is in-character, most posts in technology discussions threads are OOC in nature. IC statements can be made but are not the norm and may not be read as in character.

7: Excepting page topping "gun porn", large images will be placed in spoilers. "Large" will be determined by moderation. If you are asked to place images in spoilers, please do so.

8: Be extra nice to Transnapastain

9: No feeding the trolls

10: Respect is earned, and your post probably isn't as funny as you think it is.

GOLDEN RULE
Do not talk about politics, I don''t care if you were just replying to someone, don't do it!

DO NOT DISCUSS POLITICS!
Any form of gun control discussion is not allowed here, take that to general.

A few useful links for the sake of the thread.
Information on the "AK-47" and family courtesy of Spreewerke
more "AK-47" infromation from Spreewerke
Information on Body armor From Puzikas
Information on Submachine guns, also from Puzikas
why the 5.45X39 SKS doesn't exist, from Puzikas
WiP Comparison of Various NS designed and Real Life rounds, by Aqizithiuda
An Explanation of Bullet Wounding Effects, by Puzikas
4.6x30 H&K, 5.7x28mm FN, and why 9x19 is not Going Away, by Puzikas
Bullet Design Calculator
(Please Note: meplat diameter should be, at minimum 0.15 times the diameter of the projectile, the boat tail angle should be not less than 7 degrees, the length of the projectile should not exceed 6 times the diameter of the projectile, there should be at least 5mm of body between the end of the ogive and the start of the boat tail, 10.4 is the specific gravity for FMJ projectiles not the default 11.4, M43 style steel core projectiles have a SG of 8.3, DBP10 steel cored rounds with an air pocket have a SG of 8.5, copper bullets have a SG of 8.9, steel cored lead free projectiles have a SG of 8.2, 7N6 style projectiles have a SG of 7.6, lead core projectiles with a large airgrap have a SG of 9.1, and M855 style steel tipped projectiles have a SG of 9.4)
Internal Ballistics Calculator
External Ballistics Calculator
Custom MilTech Oriented Search Engine from the NSDraftroom
DTIC.mil Search Engine

Previous IDT Threads
NS Infantry discussion thread
NS infantry discussion thread. Mark II

MMW, the inspiration for this thread
MMW Part 12
MMW R11
MMW A10
MMW Type-09
MMW Pattern VIII
MMW MOD-7
MMW Mk VI
MMW Mk V
MMW Mk IV
MMW MkII (Pt2)
MMW MkIII
MMW MkII
MMW
link to the NS Infantry IRC (not managed by Trans nor do he have anything to do with it.)
Look here for updates in the near future.
Have fun.

This OP originally by Black Hand, modified by Transnapastain, reposted and modified again by Aqizithiuda

by **Nirvash Type TheEND** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:07 pm

Morning gents. I approve of the expansions to the OP.

by **New Tsavon** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:10 pm

Gotta love the smell of a new thread. It smells like........victory.

So, have an M.1905

by **The Republic of Lanos** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:10 pm

I like your OP and kindly will contribute to the new thread.

What's with the MKII* designation?

by **Sediczja** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:11 pm

That new thread smell. Bardzo dobry.

by **Bratislavskaya** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:11 pm

Bookmarking for when I have something meaningful to post.

by **Fordorsia** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:11 pm

Rushed art for first page.

Infantry Battle Rifle Model of 1965

Cartridge: 7.65x50mm

Action: Gas-operated, tilting breechblock

Rate of Fire: 600 rounds per minute

Effective Range: 500m

Maximum Range: 1000m

Feed System: 20-round double-stacked removable box magazine

Made to meet requests of the Fordorsian military, the IBR-65 is an updated version of the IBR-57 ordered and issued in 1965. Featuring a folding stock, the IBR-65 allowed for greater compactness without reducing controllability or general function. All infantry IBR-57s were replaced within six months of the adoption of the IBR-65, and tank crews were now able to keep a single IBR-65 carbine within their vehicles along with their service pistols.

by **Premislyd** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:12 pm

I'm liking the useful info for the kolbe computer.

by **Nua Corda** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:16 pm

Hai guise.

by **Coltarin** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:17 pm

by **Aqizithiuda** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:19 pm

Premislyd wrote:I'm liking the useful info for the kolbe computer.

I thought it was about time I made a post detailing that info so that I don't have to repeat it constantly, and this seemed like a great chance to do so.

by **Bratislavskaya** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:22 pm

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by **Nirvash Type TheEND** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:23 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Premislyd wrote:I'm liking the useful info for the kolbe computer.

I thought it was about time I made a post detailing that info so that I don't have to repeat it constantly, and this seemed like a great chance to do so.

It's especially usefull for anyone using GP rounds and need more than one projectile type.

by **Premislyd** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:24 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Premislyd wrote:I'm liking the useful info for the kolbe computer.

I thought it was about time I made a post detailing that info so that I don't have to repeat it constantly, and this seemed like a great chance to do so.

Indeed.

Would there be any sort of advantage of using a DBP10-style bullet over other designs? From what I gathered it was still pretty bad, but improved over the DBP87. I remember you talking about it in one of the MMW threads but can't find the post for the life of me.

by **New Visegrad** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:31 pm

Thread tag and repost in one handy package!

by **Fordorsia** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:32 pm

So now that the IBR-65 is done, what would be another upgrade I could do around, let's say 1982. Keep in mind I'll be doing a DMR variant for this next one, replacing the 7.65x50mm NotSMLEs that were previously used for the role.

by **Aqizithiuda** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:33 pm

Premislyd wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
I thought it was about time I made a post detailing that info so that I don't have to repeat it constantly, and this seemed like a great chance to do so.

Indeed.

Would there be any sort of advantage of using a DBP10-style bullet over other designs? From what I gathered it was still pretty bad, but improved over the DBP87. I remember you talking about it in one of the MMW threads but can't find the post for the life of me.

Basically, it's much like the 7N6 (here's what it does to ballistic soap, but has a high SG, so the bullet can be shorter for a given length, which can provide a better BC with less intrusion into the case and with less of a twist rate. At the same time, it still has good armour and barrier penetration, and good terminal performance as well.

by **Puzikas** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:34 pm

Still do not like 5.8 ChiCom..

by **Premislyd** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:34 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Premislyd wrote:
Indeed.

Would there be any sort of advantage of using a DBP10-style bullet over other designs? From what I gathered it was still pretty bad, but improved over the DBP87. I remember you talking about it in one of the MMW threads but can't find the post for the life of me.

Basically, it's much like the 7N6 (here's what it does to ballistic soap, but has a high SG, so the bullet can be shorter for a given length, which can provide a better BC with less intrusion into the case and with less of a twist rate. At the same time, it still has good armour and barrier penetration, and good terminal performance as well.

So it wouldn't be a bad model to go by for newer bullet designs for older rounds?

by **The Republic of Lanos** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:35 pm

Puzikas wrote:Still do not like 5.8 ChiCom..

5.8x42mm ChiCon DPB10 still hasn't addressed its wounding profile issues.

by **Black Hand** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:36 pm

I'll do an art dump once I'm off work.
DAT new thread smell

whats with "mkll*" though?

All the info on the calculators is nice to have
Also aquiz you don't need to have my name at the end of the OP you and trans have done 10 times more than I ever did for it.

by **Aqizithiuda** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:38 pm

Puzikas wrote:Still do not like 5.8 ChiCom..

Russian barbarian!

Premislyd wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
Basically, it's much like the 7N6 (here's what it does to ballistic soap, but has a high SG, so the bullet can be shorter for a given length, which can provide a better BC with less intrusion into the case and with less of a twist rate. At the same time, it still has good armour and barrier penetration, and good terminal performance as well.

So it wouldn't be a bad model to go by for newer bullet designs for older rounds?

I'd think so. It's a pretty neat round.

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Puzikas wrote:Still do not like 5.8 ChiCom..

5.8x42mm ChiCon DPB10 still hasn't addressed its wounding profile issues.

Did you not see the wound profile I posted?

by **Sevvania** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:38 pm

*Reposts*
Modified my automatic rifle slightly, because I remembered Spree mentioning that the cheekweld wouldn't be very good due to the height between the stock and the sights, I think. So I tried to fix that. Did it work?

Mag release will be added in next update.

Rifle, Automatic, 7.62x54mmR, Outlander Model 1933: The Outlander Automatic Rifle, or OAR, is an interwar support weapon that saw service up through World War II. It features a rib along the top of the barrel in order to help reduce heat haze from obscuring the front sight, and to facilitate cooling. It is capable of accepting a 10-round or 20-round detachable box magazine. The OAR is the most common automatic rifle in service with the Sevvanian military.

by **The Republic of Lanos** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:39 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:Did you not see the wound profile I posted?

Wikipedia says differently though IIRC.

by **Alimeria-** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:39 pm

Heavy Machine Gun is in the early sense and not the modern meaning.
Nation is currently using Scandinavian Languages until I decide to go and create my own language, so that's why all the weird letters
Also weird mix of WWI/Steampunk tech with Medieval clothing, in case anyone is wondering why the tunic

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