[PASSED] Repeal "Commend The Joint Systems Alliance"

[Mallorea and Riva]

You're really not disproving my point at how seriously you all are taking this little prank of Mall's. Especially considering that Mall supports the repeal. Who are you really punishing with this?

It's not about punishing anyone at all. It's about making sure nobody takes advantage of the commendation we earned. If Mall's ego is getting bloated from thinking it's about him, well that's his problem.

Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.

An act against Mallorea's actions through the removal of his usurped commendation in The Joint Systems Alliance.

I'm pretty sure that it's about me. Not gonna lie.

[Mundiferrum]

It's not about punishing anyone at all. It's about making sure nobody takes advantage of the commendation we earned. If Mall's ego is getting bloated from thinking it's about him, well that's his problem.

Well Mall, you want Haven? I'd want your Joint Systems Alliance badge, then.

An act against Mallorea's actions through the removal of his usurped commendation in The Joint Systems Alliance.

I'm pretty sure that it's about me. Not gonna lie.

He's trying to fit the proposal to his principles. And, rather obviously, ignoring a lot of important facts in the process.

[Elke and Elba]

Admittedly the goal of this proposal has evolved over time. What was meant to be a simple repeal of the JSA's commendation because of Mall's undeserved usurpation of it had lent itself strategic importance in the anti-Liberate Haven and anti-GP>RP campaign to get it to vote to ensure Mall's proposal doesn't get to vote in the next four days, and justly so since Mall was the one who decided to take it for the lack of a better reason - the desecration of an RP region that never had good purpose to start with, and evident of Mall's malicious intent - one expressed in the Liberate Haven draft too.

However so, the primary intention of this proposal hasn't changed, which is to remove the commendation Mall has taken for himself and prided himself for in the WFE - that was wholly unjust, no matter who did it. Now I don't believe about what Mall said Kenny, because how is a person who publicly expressed his refounding of the JSA as to be the taking of a trophy not feel butthurt in this entire process?

About the name drop, I admit it was a fault on my part in my failure of using the [nation=short] tag. But then I don't really give a damn if Mall decides to be shameless and despicable to advertise himself, and I feel that it isn't going to do much for Mall in the long run.

Sagittarius gave a good response as to what my current thoughts are.

[Krioval]

Admittedly the goal of this proposal has evolved over time. What was meant to be a simple repeal of the JSA's commendation because of Mall's undeserved usurpation of it had lent itself strategic importance in the anti-Liberate Haven and anti-GP>RP campaign to get it to vote to ensure Mall's proposal doesn't get to vote in the next four days, and justly so since Mall was the one who decided to take it for the lack of a better reason - the desecration of an RP region that never had good purpose to start with, and evident of Mall's malicious intent - one expressed in the Liberate Haven draft too.

His Mall-icious behavior? Get it? See, what I did was...oops, getting sidetracked.

If it was so important to remove a badge from JSA because of Mall's superevil influence, why wait almost a month before bringing this up again? Also, why were you plugging this repeal back in March?! Are you a time traveler or are just looking to establish yourself as a big player in the SC? Either way, I'm unimpressed - though mostly at the thought that someone would use time travel to manipulate NS.

However so, the primary intention of this proposal hasn't changed, which is to remove the commendation Mall has taken for himself and prided himself for in the WFE - that was wholly unjust, no matter who did it. Now I don't believe about what Mall said Kenny, because how is a person who publicly expressed his refounding of the JSA as to be the taking of a trophy not feel butthurt in this entire process?

Mall didn't have JSA under his control back in March. It appears to have been (re)founded 30 days ago. So the primary intention of this proposal must have changed somewhere along the line.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

The Security Council resolution Repeal "Commend The Joint Systems Alliance" was passed 8,216 votes to 885.

You've really outdone yourselves on this one guys. Not only passing a repeal with 90% (!!) of the votes, but revoking a region's hard-earned badge because some player decided to pull a prank. Good going.

[Nierr]

The Security Council resolution Repeal "Commend The Joint Systems Alliance" was passed 8,216 votes to 885.

You've really outdone yourselves on this one guys. Not only passing a repeal with 90% (!!) of the votes, but revoking a region's hard-earned badge because some player decided to pull a prank. Good going.

Uh, like the only remaining person with any claim to the region supported this.

So I'm not really seeing your point.

[Mundiferrum]

You've really outdone yourselves on this one guys. Not only passing a repeal with 90% (!!) of the votes, but revoking a region's hard-earned badge because some player decided to pull a prank. Good going.

Uh, like the only remaining person with any claim to the region supported this.

So I'm not really seeing your point.

The general point of a commendation/condemnation is not to merely flatter (or something) its recipient/s, but to have the recipient's actions recognized by the NationStates community as a whole. You're destroying that point by unjustly for JSA's actions having this resolution pass, hence opening up room for a really bad (but now valid) cause to repeal commends/condemns.

[Avenio]

Uh, like the only remaining person with any claim to the region supported this.

So I'm not really seeing your point.

The general point of a commendation/condemnation is not to merely flatter (or something) its recipient/s, but to have the recipient's actions recognized by the NationStates community as a whole. You're destroying that point by unjustly for JSA's actions having this resolution pass, hence opening up room for a really bad (but now valid) cause to repeal commends/condemns.

A problematic claim to make, since all of the people that got the original commendation (ie were in the region in question when the commendation passed and were the reason for the commendation in the first place) are gone, and the only former inhabitant left gave their blessing to the revokation. Which makes sense - if the commendation is for recognizing a group of people's actions and not a sticker on the wall of a region, it makes sense that if the community is gone there isn't much purpose for the commendation anymore.

Not to mention that having it as a sticker on the wall of a dead region for some raider to hold onto sullies the original purpose of the commendation in the first place.

[Novus Niciae]

The general point of a commendation/condemnation is not to merely flatter (or something) its recipient/s, but to have the recipient's actions recognized by the NationStates community as a whole. You're destroying that point by unjustly for JSA's actions having this resolution pass, hence opening up room for a really bad (but now valid) cause to repeal commends/condemns.

A problematic claim to make, since all of the people that got the original commendation (ie were in the region in question when the commendation passed and were the reason for the commendation in the first place) are gone, and the only former inhabitant left gave their blessing to the revokation. Which makes sense - if the commendation is for recognizing a group of people's actions and not a sticker on the wall of a region, it makes sense that if the community is gone there isn't much purpose for the commendation anymore.

Not to mention that having it as a sticker on the wall of a dead region for some raider to hold onto sullies the original purpose of the commendation in the first place.

I was against it, and I am sure I mentioned it more than once.
And I did mention that I was a former inhabitant.

[Chester Pearson]

The Security Council resolution Repeal "Commend The Joint Systems Alliance" was passed 8,216 votes to 885.

You've really outdone yourselves on this one guys. Not only passing a repeal with 90% (!!) of the votes, but revoking a region's hard-earned badge because some player decided to pull a prank. Good going.

For once we have similar view points on this. Due to E&E's pettiness over this matter, any resolution they bring to vote from this time forward, shall be summarily voted against....

[Mekhet]

You've really outdone yourselves on this one guys. Not only passing a repeal with 90% (!!) of the votes, but revoking a region's hard-earned badge because some player decided to pull a prank. Good going.

Uh, like the only remaining person with any claim to the region supported this.

So I'm not really seeing your point.

ouch, you were saying? viewtopic.php?p=20864965#p20864965

Even though this has been mentioned before. So Kenny's point still stands. Good going guys!

[The Saint James Islands]

For once we have similar view points on this. Due to E&E's pettiness over this matter, any resolution they bring to vote from this time forward, shall be summarily voted against....

Chester accuses the E&E delegation of pettiness, then resorts to pettiness himself. The hypocrisy just hurts.

On a more positive note, congrats to E&E on the successful repeal.

[Elke and Elba]

Uh, like the only remaining person with any claim to the region supported this.

So I'm not really seeing your point.

ouch, you were saying? viewtopic.php?p=20864965#p20864965

Even though this has been mentioned before. So Kenny's point still stands. Good going guys!

And you were saying? viewtopic.php?p=20827510#p20827510

For once we have similar view points on this. Due to E&E's pettiness over this matter, any resolution they bring to vote from this time forward, shall be summarily voted against....

Chester accuses the E&E delegation of pettiness, then resorts to pettiness himself. The hypocrisy just hurts.

On a more positive note, congrats to E&E on the successful repeal.

Thanks!

[Mekhet]

ouch, you were saying? viewtopic.php?p=20864965#p20864965

Even though this has been mentioned before. So Kenny's point still stands. Good going guys!

And you were saying? viewtopic.php?p=20827510#p20827510

That hardly helps, one wants it gone and other wants to keep it. If it was kept, the other one could 'ignore it'. I stand by the that this was done out of pettiness.

[Dreadful Sagittarius]

Just to settle this; the last time I can find any mention of Novus Niciae in the JSA threads is 2010. For reference, I left the region either in late 2013 or early 2014. Novus wasn't even a member at the time of Vipra's coup of what was left of the JSA. While I respect he was a former member, he wasn't around for the end.

Also, - The West Coast also supported this as a former member.

[The Fedral Union]

Well now that this is said and done, we can wrap it up. While I can see both sides of the argument, the case was indeed presented and popular support was given. Though as advice DS I'd think you may want to objectively read my posts, I don't think attacking a user for years past transgressions was exactly a model of impartial debate. That said, lets put this behind us, we've got stories to write.