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Postby Geilinor » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:10 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Mushet wrote:I'm saying they immigrate into the territories of these nations without permission and mostly disregard their cultures, like these "anti-immigration" types are always bitching about happening to them.


Is the only way for us to be accepted is if we go the way of your people and cave into the immigrants?

Europe hasn't caved into anyone. Immigrants are a small portion of the overall population.
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Postby Marcurix » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:26 pm

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Marcurix wrote:So trafficked sex workers are good for the EU?

I thought the implication that the work had to come from the white market was obvious…apparently not all of us can make such inferences.


Apparently not all of us understand trafficked sex workers can be white.
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Postby Edlichbury » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:30 pm

Marcurix wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:I thought the implication that the work had to come from the white market was obvious…apparently not all of us can make such inferences.


Apparently not all of us understand trafficked sex workers can be white.

The "white market" has nothing to do with race.

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Postby Marcurix » Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:41 pm

Edlichbury wrote:
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Apparently not all of us understand trafficked sex workers can be white.

The "white market" has nothing to do with race.


I'm aware. But I feel this is going to turn into another Netherlands prostitution debate.

Still, I was critiquing the statement of all immigration being automatically good, implied white market of no. If you'd like I can switch the argument to driving down wages.
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Postby Mushet » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:07 pm

Libertarian California wrote:
Mushet wrote:I'm saying they immigrate into the territories of these nations without permission and mostly disregard their cultures, like these "anti-immigration" types are always bitching about happening to them.


We came. We conquered. It's been done. Was it bad? Was it good? Debatable.

But why is it hypocritical for us to want to preserve our identity and culture? Is the only way for us to be accepted is if we go the way of your people and cave into the immigrants?

Again I'm talking about the modern era, Americans seem to have no problem with immigrating without permission into say the Black Hills, which legally doesn't really belong to America, and disregarding Lakota culture but when some non-white people do the same thing in America to a much lesser extent then it's this terrible thing.

Immigrants are disregarding American identity and culture? I don't see that at all in my stomping grounds which are full of Mexican and Chinese immigrants, legal and not. Also it wasn't merely immigration America was doing, it was invasion, to say the two are the same is asinine and America as a nation is built on doing this and continues to do this and start bitching when people they don't consider white come into the country and try to assimilate.
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:43 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Libertarian California wrote:
Is the only way for us to be accepted is if we go the way of your people and cave into the immigrants?

Europe hasn't caved into anyone. Immigrants are a small portion of the overall population.

The problem is, Switzerland's recent anti-immigration referendum * has encouraged the nationalist nut-jobs across Europe.

* This referendum won with 50.3%, despite 23% of Swiss being foreign born, 45% of medical professionals being foreign, despite the fact that the referendum result contradicts treaty agreements.
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