Is Kosovo part of Serbia?

[Kamchastkia]

The former Yugoslavia states and their ethnic groups, seem to me, like the Germans before the unification of Germany.

Except
1. They don't want to reuinfy
2. They don't speak the same language
3. They don't share national heritage
4. They like independence
5. Serbia is the only one to benefit from Yugoslavia.

[Mkuki]

The former Yugoslavia states and their ethnic groups, seem to me, like the Germans before the unification of Germany. Would this be a correct thinking?

I don't think so. There are some pretty severe cultural divisions within former Yugoslavia. The Croats, for example, are largely Catholic and want to integrate with the EU. The Serbians, on the other hand, have historically had strong relations with Russia, a fellow Slavic and Orthodox state. In the middle of all of this you've also got Bosnia, the multireligious mutant country with a Sunni majority.

These divisions are largely why there is, or at least was, such tension in the region. You had the Russians supporting the Serbs during the Yugoslav Wars in the 1990s while Europe, and the rest of the West, i.e. NATO, were much more sympathetic to the Croats and Bosnians.

Not to mention that the Germans had a much more homogeneous culture than Yugoslavia ever did.



Note: I'm no expert, but this is my read of the situation.

[Scholmeria]

The former Yugoslavia states and their ethnic groups, seem to me, like the Germans before the unification of Germany.

Except
1. They don't want to reuinfy
2. They don't speak the same language
3. They don't share national heritage
4. They like independence
5. Serbia is the only one to benefit from Yugoslavia.

^This. Especially the number 3. There was never a common history if you dont count the 20th century.

[Scholmeria]

These divisions are largely why there is, or at least was, such tension in the region. You had the Russians supporting the Serbs during the Yugoslav Wars in the 1990s while Europe, and the rest of the West, i.e. NATO, were much more sympathetic to the Croats and Bosnians.

That is very simplified.There were some issues that complicated the whole thing, like for example that both Yugoslavias forced Serbs on every state position (government, police etc)

[Great Kleomentia]

No. Kosovo is an independent nation and it will remain that way.

"Thou cannot predict the future, Lord Spoke."
Gandalf von Potter

Not only is Kosovo not part of Serbia, but Serbia is actually part of Kosovo.

wat

[Tiesabre]

No. Kosovo is an independent nation and it will remain that way.

But....but...but....the constitution...it must be illegitimate and illegal. And was OSCE there for 6,000 months to oversee this illegal act?

Didn't you know only the EU and US have any right to declare if an international law has been broken!?

[Mkuki]

These divisions are largely why there is, or at least was, such tension in the region. You had the Russians supporting the Serbs during the Yugoslav Wars in the 1990s while Europe, and the rest of the West, i.e. NATO, were much more sympathetic to the Croats and Bosnians.

That is very simplified.There were some issues that complicated the whole thing, like for example that both Yugoslavias forced Serbs on every state position (government, police etc)

Makes sense. I'm not an expert on the Yugoslav Wars.

[Central Slavia]

Kosovo is Serbia, and all the horseplay of the mobster scum at being a country is plainly ridiculous.
It is Serbian historic land, to boot, the albanian population increased due to the actions of Albanian fascists in WWII.

For an analogy, consider Mexican immigrants coming in until they are a significant fraction of the population of Texas, California etc, then declaring those states outside of the federation, with alliance to Mexico. Even so it'd be less absurd.. for a real analogy to Kosovo, they'd have to do this to Washington DC.

[Divair2]

Kosovo is Serbia, and all the horseplay of the mobster scum at being a country is plainly ridiculous.
It is Serbian historic land, to boot, the albanian population increased due to the actions of Albanian fascists in WWII.

For an analogy, consider Mexican immigrants coming in until they are a significant fraction of the population of Texas, California etc, then declaring those states outside of the federation, with alliance to Mexico. Even so it'd be less absurd.. for a real analogy to Kosovo, they'd have to do this to Washington DC.

Sounds fine by me.

[Central Slavia]

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Red is "Kosovo" as many call it.
Green is nations who recognize Kosovo.
Grey does not.

Very simple comrades

Green is the developed and democratic world. Grey are third-world countries. So, we know who are right.

Uh, most of grey are *second* world countries, but the distinction would actually require you to understand where "third world country" comes from as a name.
Also, all we know from this is who is in favour of justice, and who in favour of parroting bullshit that favours US geopolitical interests, and their Albanian mafiosi vassals.

[Yanitza]

The former Yugoslavia states and their ethnic groups, seem to me, like the Germans before the unification of Germany.

Except
1. They don't want to reuinfy
2. They don't speak the same language
3. They don't share national heritage
4. They like independence
5. Serbia is the only one to benefit from Yugoslavia.

1. You can't speak on thier behalf
2. Serbo-Croat very similar languages, besides in a lot of European countries (such as France) a majority of people didn't speak the official language until the 19th and 20th centuries
3. Did the Germans share a national heritage? did the Italians? shit, did the Belgians?
4. same as 1.
5. Where's your proof? how would they benefit more from joining the EU other than getting German loans and turned into German vassals

[Scholmeria]

Kosovo is Serbia, and all the horseplay of the mobster scum at being a country is plainly ridiculous.
It is Serbian historic land, to boot, the albanian population increased due to the actions of Albanian fascists in WWII.

Are you calling Albanians a mobster scum?

And no, the Albanians are a majority in Kosova for at least 200 years.

Green is the developed and democratic world. Grey are third-world countries. So, we know who are right.

Uh, most of grey are *second* world countries, but the distinction would actually require you to understand where "third world country" comes from as a name.
Also, all we know from this is who is in favour of justice, and who in favour of parroting bullshit that favours US geopolitical interests, and their Albanian mafiosi vassals.

Bullshit. Just count Africa and Central Asian countries who are third world countries and makes a majority. Russia is a second world country due to its huge social division.

The free world is in favour of Albanians and have a lot of feeling for the pains of the Albanians. They are developed and democratic while the dictatorships are against Kosovan independence.

[Scholmeria]

1. You can't speak on thier behalf
2. Serbo-Croat very similar languages, besides in a lot of European countries (such as France) a majority of people didn't speak the official language until the 19th and 20th centuries
3. Did the Germans share a national heritage? did the Italians? shit, did the Belgians?
4. same as 1.
5. Where's your proof? how would they benefit more from joining the EU other than getting German loans and turned into German vassals

1. Sure, but that does not change the fact that he is right.
2. Sure, which does not had anything to do that Serbian and Croatian are not the same.
3. Germans and France are not comparable to the Yugoslavians, which are a artifical nation. No, Belgians dont share a national heritage
5. The proof ius that even the modern day Serbian nationalist desperately want to get part of the EU. Such a party recently won the election in Serbia

[Great Kleomentia]

Kosovo is Serbia, and all the horseplay of the mobster scum at being a country is plainly ridiculous.
It is Serbian historic land, to boot, the albanian population increased due to the actions of Albanian fascists in WWII.

Are you calling Albanians a mobster scum?

And no, the Albanians are a majority in Kosova for at least 200 years.

Uh, most of grey are *second* world countries, but the distinction would actually require you to understand where "third world country" comes from as a name.
Also, all we know from this is who is in favour of justice, and who in favour of parroting bullshit that favours US geopolitical interests, and their Albanian mafiosi vassals.

Bullshit. Just count Africa and Central Asian countries who are third world countries and makes a majority. Russia is a second world country due to its huge social division.

The free world is in favour of Albanians and have a lot of feeling for the pains of the Albanians. They are developed and democratic while the dictatorships are against Kosovan independence.

True, the Albanians have been a ethnic majority in Kosovo for some 200 years, ever since Serbs tarted going north while attempting to get away from the Ottomans. However, even during those 200 years Kosovo has still been a national symbol of Serbia, not Albania. It is one of our cultural centers, and up until recently a significant percentage of the population was still Serbian.
Secondly i would like to state that believing in true democracy is a foolish thing to do. And please, "pains of the Albanians"? Among all the Balkan people, since the medieval times, the Albanians have suffered the least. Wanna talk about being fucked around? *cough* Greeks, Serbs, Romanians, Bulgarians *cough*

[Great Kleomentia]

The former Yugoslavia states and their ethnic groups, seem to me, like the Germans before the unification of Germany.

Except
1. They don't want to reuinfy
2. They don't speak the same language
3. They don't share national heritage
4. They like independence
5. Serbia is the only one to benefit from Yugoslavia.

1.National mood swings are a bitch
2. We kinda do.
3. ^
4. We liked our independence when the first two Yugoslavias were formed, that changes nothing.
5. Riiiiiight

[Scholmeria]

5. Riiiiiight

Well, he is true. Croatia and Slovenia were the richest and had to subside Serbia, and also had a overrepresentation of Serbs in their administrations.

[Great Kleomentia]

5. Riiiiiight

Well, he is true. Croatia and Slovenia were the richest and had to subside Serbia, and also had a overrepresentation of Serbs in their administrations.

Lets start from the fact that Serbia basically created Yugoslavia. During WWI Serbia liberated pretty much most of Yugoslavian territory and was originally supposed to keep it for themselves. But our King wanted to unite Yugoslavs so he formed the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. During all of its existed Serbia had the most population, highest income and was the main supplier of food. So its safe to say that actually Croatia and Slovenia were the ones with higher benefits. Today Slovenia has a much better economy than Serbia, since they were not effected by the war and dont have a mentally handicapped government. So if a actual Yugoslavia was formed today, all nations would be more or less equal contributers to the development. However forming a Yugoslavia now, when most of its members to be are weak and useless is a bad idea. Each nation should build up their strengths before actually stepping into a union.

[Indian Empire]

No. Kosovo has been recognized by 55% of UN members. If it is recognized by 50% or more NATO members, then it is a country to me. So, Kosovo is not part of Serbia, and has not been since 2008.

[Scholmeria]

Lets start from the fact that Serbia basically created Yugoslavia. During WWI Serbia liberated pretty much most of Yugoslavian territory and was originally supposed to keep it for themselves. But our King wanted to unite Yugoslavs so he formed the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. During all of its existed Serbia had the most population,

Serbia got into the Kingdom of SHS because it gained more territory than it was promised at begin (which was basically Bosnia and Dalmatia). From the position of the Karađorđević dynasty the Kingdom of SHS it was a benefit since he controled a much larger territory.

Another issue is that Serbs had no apsolute majority in such state so they were forced on concession, which they never gave enough.

highest income and was the main supplier of food. So its safe to say that actually Croatia and Slovenia were the ones with higher benefits. Today Slovenia has a much better economy than Serbia, since they were not effected by the war and dont have a mentally handicapped government.

Lol on the bolded part make me

Croatia did had war and material damage than Serbia had in the NATO bombing, you there was war there for about 4 years.

And no, Croatia and Slovenia had a much larger economy than Serbia. The fact that Belgrade pull to much money from the republics alienated them together with the fact that the Serbs were overpresented in the administration of Croatia and Slovenia.

They both have today a better economy because that was always so. For instance, Croatia had about 30% larger GDP than SR Serbia and the salariess were 20% higher than in Serbia. Let se what wiki says.

So if a actual Yugoslavia was formed today, all nations would be more or less equal contributers to the development. However forming a Yugoslavia now, when most of its members to be are weak and useless is a bad idea. Each nation should build up their strengths before actually stepping into a union.

Well, your post clearly demonstrated that Serbia benefited most.

Also more population ==> more market ==> More profite.