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[PASSED] Liberate Slavia

Postby Port blood » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:06 pm

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Recognizing that the region of Slavia, a region that has existed for over a year, is a significant home to Slavic nations of the world, and has held a population as high as 100 in its most recent incarnation, while also averaging a population of about 50 to 70 nations,

Noting that the founding nation of the region, The Pan Slavic Federation, suddenly ceased to exist on January 1st, 2014,

Regretting that, mere days after this occurred, the United Imperial Armed Forces of The New Inquisition, The Land of Kings and Emperors, and Albion attacked the region and began to oppress and torment its residents,

Disappointed that residents such as The North Polish Union were forcefully removed from the region, that the original flag was removed, that embassies were destroyed, and that the regional community's affairs were disrupted during this occupation,

Concerned that this oppressive foreign occupation may become permanent, as the invading forces continue to remain in the region,

Believing that a liberation of Slavia could prevent the occupation from becoming permanent and more destructive, and that liberating Slavia would fall in line with both Security Council precedent and the Security Council's goal of achieving of international peace and goodwill,

Hereby Liberates Slavia.



This proposal is currently in the queue and has enough support to be passed into voting,as it's the only one with enough support,it'll be next in line
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=277987
^Another draft for the same purpose



Personally,I'm against this as i don't see a password being made anytime soon,and there were several concerns already regarding the region being turned into a warzone due to liberation
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Postby Aboras » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:56 pm

I am new here; but I am personally for this from the small bit I've read.
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Postby Ramaeus » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:47 pm

*shakes fists at Milo*
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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:19 pm

I have no doubt the large vote-carrying Delegates will see this through without out much noise. Against, either way.
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Postby Aboras » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:22 pm

Votes For: 561 (63%)

Votes Against: 328 (37%)

I think this one is in the bag...
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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:24 pm

Aboras wrote:Votes For: 561 (63%)

Votes Against: 328 (37%)

I think this one is in the bag...

You need to stick around for a while, then, because this has been at vote for just over an hour of it's three and half day voting period. It's not anywhere near in the bag.
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Postby Aboras » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:29 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Aboras wrote:Votes For: 561 (63%)

Votes Against: 328 (37%)

I think this one is in the bag...

You need to stick around for a while, then, because this has been at vote for just over an hour of it's three and half day voting period. It's not anywhere near in the bag.


Either way, currently the "For" camp is in the lead, by alot.
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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:31 pm

Aboras wrote:
SkyDip wrote:You need to stick around for a while, then, because this has been at vote for just over an hour of it's three and half day voting period. It's not anywhere near in the bag.


Either way, currently the "For" camp is in the lead, by alot.

One Delegate vote could change that. Talk to me when one side is up 1,000 votes. Until then, this could swing either way.
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Postby Cormac A Stark » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:04 pm

Slavia isn't even password-protected. Are you serious, Milograd? Against.

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Postby FMxSoul » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:19 pm

Aboras wrote:
SkyDip wrote:You need to stick around for a while, then, because this has been at vote for just over an hour of it's three and half day voting period. It's not anywhere near in the bag.


Either way, currently the "For" camp is in the lead, by alot.


Someone forgot my vote!!

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Postby SkyDip » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:27 pm

FMxSoul wrote:
Aboras wrote:
Either way, currently the "For" camp is in the lead, by alot.


Someone forgot my vote!!

Still drops in the ocean, all things considered.
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Postby Kalgeron » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:40 am

Hello can someone explain to me what a yes vote and a no vote would actually do. The proposal is called liberate slavia, but the purpose is to reduce delegate imposed entry barriers. Also what does it being password protected have to do with anything? Help and advice on voting would be appreciated.
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Postby Anumia » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:59 am

Kalgeron, a "Liberation" resolution, if passed, will remove the password for the region targetted (in this case, Slavia), and prevent a password from being imposed later. If there is no password set on the region at the time (which is the case; Slavia has not been passworded), a Liberation prevents a password from being set.

"Delegate-imposed entry barriers" = setting a password for entering the region.

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Postby Kalgeron » Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:08 am

Anumia wrote:Kalgeron, a "Liberation" resolution, if passed, will remove the password for the region targetted (in this case, Slavia), and prevent a password from being imposed later. If there is no password set on the region at the time (which is the case; Slavia has not been passworded), a Liberation prevents a password from being set.

"Delegate-imposed entry barriers" = setting a password for entering the region.

Thank you very much that helps a lot.
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Postby Port blood » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:42 am

For me,this is just another example of the extreme abuse of the SC that some people like to do

Milograd just snuck the resolution in without a draft or anything,ignoring the previous thread that raised serious concerns about the usefulness of this proposal
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Postby Opaloka » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:42 am

AGAINST! This is without merit. There is no PW in place. The region took sides in R/D by joining a fenda organisation (FRA). The founder didn't care about the region & CTE'd, the residents failed to look to their security & PW. The fendas failed to take steps to protect the region.

Fendas take up the time of this body with these liberations when they've failed as in this case. They also spend a deal of time 'commending' each other usually on the clearly spurious basis of their 'heroic' defending.

Fellow delegates lets put a stop to this! vote no to these liberations & repeal defender activity based commendations.
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Postby Daeus » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:59 am

A condemnation of http://www.nationstates.net/nation=sword_excalibur would be more suitable IMO then a liberation.

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Postby Port blood » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:27 am

Daeus wrote:A condemnation of http://www.nationstates.net/nation=sword_excalibur would be more suitable IMO then a liberation.


Is this even a main nation or is it just a puppet?
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Postby Goddess Relief Office » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:34 am

Well done Milo. You have my support
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Postby Port blood » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:43 am

Goddess Relief Office wrote:Well done Milo. You have my support


May i ask your reasoning behind this support?
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Postby Moronist Decisions » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:51 am

We have voted AGAINST this rather ill-advised liberation. We note that said liberation would do nothing given the fact that a password has not been imposed on the target region, and find this a rather knee-jerk reaction against this raid.

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Postby Ponderosa » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:56 am

Sure, let's just pass a Liberation for every raid!

Was your region raided? LIBERATE!

Do you want to raid a region? LIBERATE!

Did someone move into your region that you don't like? LIBERATE.

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Postby Elke and Elba » Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:59 am

There's quite a lot of good response for Milo but my question is - did he even consulted the natives? (wait, I take that back)

Given that many have moved to Slavya or Slavska (?)


I just realised that the Republic of Slovsko (aka Slavska's WA delegate) asked Slavya and Slavska to vote for it.

I'm thinking that they don't have a bloody clue what a liberation does. (Although I might be wrong.)

Oh. My. Goodness.

Oh. Mine.

P.S. Do note that Slavia isn't locked. Delegacy has enough power to banject many people I believe. They should not be so careless in the first place.
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Postby Republic of Slovsko » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:26 am

Opaloka wrote:AGAINST! This is without merit. There is no PW in place. The region took sides in R/D by joining a fenda organisation (FRA). The founder didn't care about the region & CTE'd, the residents failed to look to their security & PW. The fendas failed to take steps to protect the region.

Fendas take up the time of this body with these liberations when they've failed as in this case. They also spend a deal of time 'commending' each other usually on the clearly spurious basis of their 'heroic' defending.

Fellow delegates lets put a stop to this! vote no to these liberations & repeal defender activity based commendations.


Let me clear a few things out for you comrade, as you seem pretty ignorant of the fact:
1.We joined the FRA for a short period and we left it, and announced it on their forums on christmas eve. We even raided a region (greece).That said, It's not our responsibility that they failed to remove our name from their list, and the failure of the raiders to even acknowledge basic facts about our region before raiding it.
2. Since they raid it Slavia just a day after turning founderless, and while half our forces, which were in Greece at that moment, haven't had the time to even react to the status, so we didn't "fail" to look after our security.
3. Our founder was deleted unjustly by the mods, so your claim of "The founder didn't care about the region & CTE'd" is very naive.

I ask you to check your infos before speaking.

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Postby Republic of Slovsko » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:31 am

Elke and Elba wrote:There's quite a lot of good response for Milo but my question is - did he even consulted the natives? (wait, I take that back)

Given that many have moved to Slavya or Slavska (?)


I just realised that the Republic of Slovsko (aka Slavska's WA delegate) asked Slavya and Slavska to vote for it.

I'm thinking that they don't have a bloody clue what a liberation does. (Although I might be wrong.)

Oh. My. Goodness.

Oh. Mine.

P.S. Do note that Slavia isn't locked. Delegacy has enough power to banject many people I believe. They should not be so careless in the first place.
P.S. Ponderosa - it almost sounds like a Spongebob song! :lol:


Yes indeed I asked our allies to vote for the resolution, I don't need to ask my fellow Slavian as they would surely vote for it.
And I don't know if you have a bloody clue about what this resolution stands for. We want to prevent the region to ever being locked down, because that's their final aim. If we act after the region is locked down we might just let them have it don't you think? And maybe, when this resolution passes, they comeback to their senses and change their style.

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