NS, I need your advice.

[Pappalardia]

About a month ago, the newbie nation of Wolf Heralds was given the responsibilty of recruiting for the region of Matris Lupae. The Wolf Heralds were over-zealous and commited the cardinal sin of recruiting outside of the starter regions. Responses varied from ingnoring the recruitment effort, to friendly reminders that this was not permitted, full blown "If you dare to do this again we will kill you IRL" TGs. Wolf Herlads were reported and the issue was dealt with by moderators, and within the Region by me. The Wolf Heralds also appologised to the WA or Founder of each affected region and offered this humourous, yet courageous public apology and was removed from the role of recruiter.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=25481

All nations and regions affected have dropped the issue, some offering to continue positive communications, except one.

The nation of Emorum has continued to make this an issue. First with threats, then with the most sloppily executed invasion attempt that NS has ever seen. Followed by more threats, insults calling me blind and stupid, threats of moderation (even though it has been dealt with) and so on. I have offered to work with the region on the issue, have informed them that moderators and the region of Matris Lupae have reprimanded the Wolf Heralds, and promised that if they could provide any evidence of further recruitment coming from within my region that the nation in question would be banned immediately.

Today, I saw this:

Condemn Matris Lupae

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.


Category: Condemnation


Nominee: Matris Lupae


Proposed by: FlagEmorum

Description: For persistent recruiting attempts outside the designated regions.

Approvals: 9 (Emorum, Voracious Vendetta, Holyblah, Jimmy Hart, At2, Karienna, Mary Queen of Scots, Kershnertopia, Unibotian WASC Mission)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 47 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 1 day, 15 hours


GET OVER IT, THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN HARASSMENT. What should I do guys?

[Sedgistan]

That resolution won't get to vote, and if people don't want to get over Wolf Heralds' rule-breaking, there's nothing you can do.

Basically, just ignore it.

[A mean old man]

I believe that, if Emorum continues harassing you, this could be considered griefing. Save his telegrams. If he continues to bother and threaten you over this mistake of your recruiter, you will probably have grounds on which to report him to the moderators.

[The Quams]

just ignore it, something else will distract them eventually and they'll froget

[Jeredius]

hey, I still need counseling over the whole ordeal....who's going to cover that?

[Pappalardia]

I believe that, if Emorum continues harassing you, this could be considered griefing. Save his telegrams. If he continues to bother and threaten you over this mistake of your recruiter, you will probably have grounds on which to report him to the moderators.

I have saved a few. Thanks for the advice.

[Pappalardia]

hey, I still need counseling over the whole ordeal....who's going to cover that?

4 posts, basic flag, starter region.

[Ledzep123]

1. Its not in proper resolution form
2. Condemnations do nothing than put a little symbol in your nation's page.

[Pappalardia]

1. Its not in proper resolution form
2. Condemnations do nothing than put a little symbol in your nation's page.

It was the Region that was condemned. As if the Region was completely responsible for the actions of one nation.

[Ledzep123]

Still, there's no way this can really harm you, or your region. I wouldn't sweat it.

[Pappalardia]

Thanks everyone. I think I will do a combination of all of the above. Look like their may also be multiple WA accounts endorsing this one too.

[Jeredius]

and don't forget the counseling!

[Pappalardia]

and don't forget the counseling!

Perhaps if you had the courage to reveal your true identity, your comments could be considered something more than trolling.

[Indoslavokia]

#1: Your apologies, your apologetic thread, attempted to make humor out of a non-humerus issue. We strongly believe that your region was in the wrong. We have yet to see, other than chastisement, what punishment you have given for such a serious offense.
#2: As explained in my telegrams, the invasion attempt was more of just practice than anything. Considering it was our first ever attempt, I honestly did not expect it to be the most coordinated attack ever, hence me calling it practice.
#3: I doubt the bill will pass, though I would laugh if it did. (Seriously, I would. It would be quite funny.) I did not personally order that bill be made, but if my members think it's necessary, then so be it.
#4: It is not harassment. If your region violates an extremely important international and inter-regional law, proper action should be taken to rectify this. Obviously, some of us thought that a little more should have been done about your recruiter. If you can't handle the international pressure, then you should not have become a regional delegate.

If this bill is not voted on, if it's not passed or even viewed, then as emperor of the Wolf empire, I will order the issue be dropped. Personally, I did not see any point in taking further than a simple practice run at invading a region, but as I said, just because I am the king does not mean that I do not allow discussions or voting in my region. To stifle any part of it would be to silence the people who make our region great--something, for which, I can not do.

Emperor Stranger
-Emperor of Indoslavokia
-Emperor of the Wolf Empire
-King of Wolves

[David Crystal]

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[The Republic of Lanos]

Amazingly, this whole thing reeks of griefing.
not suprisingly, this should have been dropped EARLY on.

So if we can all calm down before things go to hell, NS would appreciate it.

[A mean old man]

WOLF is taking this far too seriously, and I think they should be strongly urged to stop. The problem was resolved long ago, and if WOLF wants to keep pestering Matris Lupae and its members over this single, miniscule mistake despite Matris Lupae's numerous attempts to end the affair and let there be peace, then the involved members of WOLF are griefing Matris Lupae and their actions could very well require game moderator intervention.

[Indoslavokia]

Amazingly, this whole thing reeks of griefing.
not suprisingly, this should have been dropped EARLY on.

So if we can all calm down before things go to hell, NS would appreciate it.

I took the liberty to draft a NAP treaty and sent it to the opposing region. Should they accept, total peace and total truce will reign between our regions.

WOLF is taking this far too seriously, and I think they should be strongly urged to stop. The problem was resolved long ago, and if WOLF wants to keep pestering Matris Lupae and its members over this single, miniscule mistake despite Matris Lupae's numerous attempts to end the affair and let there be peace, then the involved members of WOLF are griefing Matris Lupae and their actions could very well require game moderator intervention.

lolwut? There's no rule against any actions we have taken. While I do not agree with what our delegate has done recently, I will stand behind him, as he is not only our current imperial regent, but because he is a friend.

[Pappalardia]

Amazingly, this whole thing reeks of griefing.
not suprisingly, this should have been dropped EARLY on.

So if we can all calm down before things go to hell, NS would appreciate it.

I took the liberty to draft a NAP treaty and sent it to the opposing region. Should they accept, total peace and total truce will reign between our regions.

WOLF is taking this far too seriously, and I think they should be strongly urged to stop. The problem was resolved long ago, and if WOLF wants to keep pestering Matris Lupae and its members over this single, miniscule mistake despite Matris Lupae's numerous attempts to end the affair and let there be peace, then the involved members of WOLF are griefing Matris Lupae and their actions could very well require game moderator intervention.

lolwut? There's no rule against any actions we have taken. While I do not agree with what our delegate has done recently, I will stand behind him, as he is not only our current imperial regent, but because he is a friend.

I believe that insults and threats of moderation may fall into the category of what is not allowed within the game. However, I consider this matter resolved.

[Indoslavokia]

So let it be done:

Non-Aggression Pact Between Wolf Empire and Matris Lupae

1. Non-Aggression

Both signatories agree that they will not declare war with one another. While argument and disagreements may exist and are natural to the strengthening of bonds, neither region shall send a bullet towards each other, unless it is part of a trade agreement.

2. Respect

Both signatories will further agree to the "if you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all" doctrine. Flaming and trolling of one-another is not honorable, and it destroys possible bonds a friendships that may develop in the future.

3. Cancelation

72 hours notice to the opposing region is required before the NAP can be canceled.

4. Contract

By signing this treaty, your region agrees to follow the terms of this treaty. Failure to do so will result in the immediate cancellation and possible continuation of the old situation.

Signed for Matris Lupae,

Pappalardia

Signed for WOLF,

Emperor Stranger
-Emperor of Indoslavokia
-Emperor of the Wolf Empire
-King of Wolves

[James Bluntus]

1. Given that he keeps doing that you can report him to the mods.
2. There is a rule in SC proposals that state "You cannot condemn a nation/region for an illegal action." Recruiting outside player created regions is illegal. I'd lodge a Getting Help Request to get it removed as an illegal proposal.

[Ardchoille]

<snip> I'd lodge a Getting Help Request to get it removed as an illegal proposal.

No need, it's gone -- either it died or one of us removed it, though if it was me, I don't remember. It was illegal on the most basic grounds: it didn't say in the body of the proposal what it wanted the SC to do.

As for the kerfuffle between the regions, since it's resolved, no need for modly involvement.

On the question of griefing, it usually needs a lot of mod checking before a ruling can be given on any individual case. Intent, as everyone knows, is hard to prove on the internet.

Since there's been no such checking done, I'm asking those who've been reading/posting in this thread to be careful not to refer to Wolf Empire as griefers or Matris Lupae as having been griefed.

And, since the loose ends seem to have been tidied, iLock.