Irish reunification?

[Chestaan]

Normally when it comes to questions about unification/independence for a region I limit my answer to "whatever the residents want" but seeing as I am a resident of one of the regions in question I'll give my opinion.

If there was significant support for unification of Ireland then two referendums (referenda?) should be held, one in NI and one in ROI. A majority in favour would have to be achieved in both for unification to happen. I have no strong feelings either way but I think I would vote yes, as if the people of the North want to join up with the Republic then I think they should be allowed to do so.

The likelihood of any referendum happening is very small though, so this is sort of a moot issue.

[Ifreann]

referendums (referenda?)

Both!
*makes a note in the "Shit the English did to us" file under "Language"*

[The Grey Wolf]

I figure it's like considering joining the Imperials or Stormcloaks in Skyrim. Best option is the "fuck both your factions" faction.

[Vitaphone Racing]

If it ain't broke...

[Ifreann]

I figure it's like considering joining the Imperials or Stormcloaks in Skyrim. Best option is the "fuck both your factions" faction.

The best option is to play through twice.

[The Grey Wolf]

I figure it's like considering joining the Imperials or Stormcloaks in Skyrim. Best option is the "fuck both your factions" faction.

The best option is to play through twice.

How's Ulster gonna do that?

[Ifreann]

The best option is to play through twice.

How's Ulster gonna do that?

Time travel. Invest in education, Norn Iron.

[The Grey Wolf]

How's Ulster gonna do that?

Time travel. Invest in education, Norn Iron.

It'd be easier to just give the middle finger to both sides. One side is a bunch of Monarchist who you are related to, the other side are a bunch of Catholics you aren't related to.

[Libertarian California]

Ireland should be united.

Under the control of the UK that is.

[Ifreann]

Time travel. Invest in education, Norn Iron.

It'd be easier to just give the middle finger to both sides. One side is a bunch of Monarchist who you are related to, the other side are a bunch of Catholics you aren't related to.

You do enjoy your stereotypes, don't you?

[Libertarian California]

If the vast majority of people in Northern Ireland want to leave and rejoin Ireland, they should be able to, but currently only a vocal minority wants it.

The Republic would probably need to vote on it too.

Seriously. You can't just vote yourself into another country and have that be okay. The receiving country has the final say.

[The Grey Wolf]

It'd be easier to just give the middle finger to both sides. One side is a bunch of Monarchist who you are related to, the other side are a bunch of Catholics you aren't related to.

You do enjoy your stereotypes, don't you?

Quite a bit actually.

[Costa Fierro]

If it ain't broke...

Ingrained, semi-institutionalised sectarianism and mutual mistrust is clearly the signs of a nation holding itself together.

[Vitaphone Racing]

If it ain't broke...

Ingrained, semi-institutionalised sectarianism and mutual mistrust is clearly the signs of a nation holding itself together.

That's odd, I could have sworn the vast majority of Irish and Northern Irish were happy with their current arrangements.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Ireland can barely deal with itself economically, how is it supposed to deal with the North where a sizable minority, at least, wants to remain British?

[Costa Fierro]

That's odd, I could have sworn the vast majority of Irish and Northern Irish were happy with their current arrangements.

On the surface. There's still massive amounts of resentment between Catholics and Protestants. They can't even agree on how long a flag can fly over city hall for fuck's sake. Most of the people put up with the current arrangements because they realised that ceaseless bloodshed and violence was not something that they wanted their children and grandchildren to experience. Does it mean that they agree or are happy with it? Probably not.

[Sjovenia]

I guess I don't trust those roots,

Seems mildly racist. Good to know there's still a bit of sectarian hate around in the states.

the ETA interface, NORAID (forced by US courts to declare the Provos as "it's principal"), and so on.

Don't know what this means sorry.

Is the mood for blood any less heated in Boston than it once was? Maybe...just a little.

I don't live in Boston, but it's a non issue here in Australia.

Who was that robber and revolutionist in Australia...Ned Kelly?

[Jamjai]

Is it worth it?

[Costa Fierro]

(Bringing the argument with regards to the IRA to a more relevant thread)

Firstly don't go loosely throwing around letters you don't even know what they mean.

The IRA stands for the "Irish Republican Army" which was a force of Irish nationalists who fought for, and subsequently won, the independence of Ireland. The Provisional Irish Republican Army was the breakaway of the traditionalist IRA members who did not like the more left-wing, non-confrontational stance the new leadership had in the 1960's/early 70's. So, in that sense, I do know what the letters mean and the history behind them.

Secondly get it straight....the IRA is a guerrilla organization fighting for the freedom and independenc of Ireland.

Firstly, Ireland is an independent state. Secondly, the PIRA in Northern Ireland were initially defending Catholic neighbourhoods from attacks by Protestant Unionists that took on a more confrontational approach with regards to the Unionists and the Northern Ireland security forces and the British Army. Secondly, I wouldn't call them "guerrillas" but paramilitaries as the vast majority of members of the IRA had political links with Sinn Fein and many regarded the PIRA as the armed wing of the party.

That means that Americans are terrorists for the Revolutionary war.

There are some differences. Firstly, the American Revolutionary War was a conventional one in that both forces engaged in conventional military tactics at that time. The Troubles were not, as they mainly involved unconventional tactics used by both the security forces and paramilitaries.

[Vitaphone Racing]

That's odd, I could have sworn the vast majority of Irish and Northern Irish were happy with their current arrangements.

On the surface. There's still massive amounts of resentment between Catholics and Protestants. They can't even agree on how long a flag can fly over city hall for fuck's sake. Most of the people put up with the current arrangements because they realised that ceaseless bloodshed and violence was not something that they wanted their children and grandchildren to experience. Does it mean that they agree or are happy with it? Probably not.

Not that any of this matters. The people of NI don't want to be a part of Ireland. They're happy with their current arrangements. That is all that matters; whether they want to be part of Ireland or the UK. They want to be a part of the UK. Therefore, there is no need to re-unify Ireland.

On a related note, re-unifying Ireland hardly seems like the answer which would stop bloodshed and violence, especially when a lot more of the populace stands to be pissed off.

[Costa Fierro]

The people of NI don't want to be a part of Ireland.

Put majority before people and I'd agree with that statement.

On a related note, re-unifying Ireland hardly seems like the answer which would stop bloodshed and violence, especially when a lot more of the populace stands to be pissed off.

The reason why it was divided was to ensure that the Protestants had a majority in most of Northern Ireland, in order to likely prevent a revolt and ensure their loyalty to the Crown. Re-unification would see that majority lost and violence resume.

[Mad Jack]

The people of NI don't want to be a part of Ireland.

Put majority before people and I'd agree with that statement.

It's a majority of every demographic, as a note.

[Forster Keys]

Seems mildly racist. Good to know there's still a bit of sectarian hate around in the states.



Don't know what this means sorry.



I don't live in Boston, but it's a non issue here in Australia.

Who was that robber and revolutionist in Australia...Ned Kelly?

Yeah Ned Kelly? What about him?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Ho boy. Shit's just settled down over there. Let's not dig this up again.

[Ovisterra]

the only way of preventing that the british monarchy takes control of ireland again

An Irish monarchy would prevent the British monarchy taking over because?...

Something along the "monarchies are cool" lines.