Alternative medicine

[Regnum Dominae]

New thread in order to not continue threadjacking an unrelated thread with a debate on alternative medicine:

When you've discovered a way to create a humane, ethical, moral and whatever-other-buzzwords-you-can-think-of society, then we can start planning for it. Seems you're doing it back to front.

Strict regulations and Extreme Harsh Punishments for Violators of Code of Conduct
a vedic System of Life and removing most of the technological Know how
force people to be find meaning in spiritual things rather than Material

Strict regulations and Extreme Harsh Punishments for Violators of Code of Conduct
a vedic System of Life and removing most of the technological Know how
force people to be find meaning in spiritual things rather than Material

Sounds like a terrible, terrible, terrible system. You would be forcing millions of people to die unnecessary deaths due to the lack of modern medicine. As well as all the ways that our quality of life would be drastically reduced due to the absence of technology.

And I have no interest in your spirituality, thank you very much.

Sounds like a terrible, terrible, terrible system. You would be forcing millions of people to die unnecessary deaths due to the lack of modern medicine. As well as all the ways that our quality of life would be drastically reduced due to the absence of technology.

And I have no interest in your spirituality, thank you very much.

not if we can rediscover herbal cures proper yoga exercise and manage all basic resources properly and if one has to die with a heart attack at an old age so be it ,what is it worth to spend money saving some rich guy who has 10000 times more than a single human being requires let him Die it is his time to leave the body rather than live when children are not getting fed

not if we can rediscover herbal cures proper yoga exercise and manage all basic resources properly and if one has to die with a heart attack at an old age so be it ,what is it worth to spend money saving some rich guy who has 10000 times more than a single human being requires let him Die it is his time to leave the body rather than live when children are not getting fed

Have you been smoking too much "tantric chakra mega green god leaf"?

Have you been smoking too much "tantric chakra mega green god leaf"?

Never had alchohol or drugs in my life, neither is my spirit so wild that my mind is affected by rage lust,barely got any ego
so my mind seems clear to me
and if it means to be politically incorrect so be it
Net is the best place to do it

not if we can rediscover herbal cures proper yoga exercise

Fuck that bullshit. Modern medicine actually works, unlike your bullshit "natural medicine".

What are you going to claim next? That homeopathy works too?

and manage all basic resources properly and if one has to die with a heart attack at an old age so be it

So you condone unnecessary deaths. Nice to know.

,what is it worth to spend money saving some rich guy who has 10000 times more than a single human being

Blatant generalization is blatant.

requires let him Die it is his time to leave the body rather than live

Once again, thanks for showing us how little you care about the lives of other people.

when children are not getting fed

We have the technology to feed the world. Unfortunately, people like you oppose its implementation and prevent it from getting anywhere.

Fuck that bullshit. Modern medicine actually works, unlike your bullshit "natural medicine".

What are you going to claim next? That homeopathy works too?


So you condone unnecessary deaths. Nice to know.

Blatant generalization is blatant.

Once again, thanks for showing us how little you care about the lives of other people.

We have the technology to feed the world. Unfortunately, people like you oppose its implementation and prevent it from getting anywhere.

respect you for your views because it seems you actually believe what you type

but you are very very wrong and if you speak your mind and what you feel you are Naive

respect you for your views because it seems you actually believe what you type

but you are very very wrong and if you speak your mind and what you feel you are Naive

Explain how I'm wrong, then.

Explain how I'm wrong, then.

you are not wrong from your perspective and vice versa if you had seen and experienced my life you would be right beside me

you are not wrong from your perspective and vice versa if you had seen and experienced my life you would be right beside me

*sigh*

Facts are not subjective. Modern medicine works. "Alternative medicine" does not.

*sigh*

Facts are not subjective. Modern medicine works. "Alternative medicine" does not.

have you tried "alternative medicine" ?

I will say herbalism and homeopathy really do work. many modern medicines are based around them. Aspirin is derived from the same science as using willow bark to combat fever
However, the rest of this thread is....odd.

I will say herbalism and homeopathy really do work. many modern medicines are based around them. Aspirin is derived from the same science as using willow bark to combat fever
However, the rest of this thread is....odd.

Homeopathy doesn't work. If it did, it would violate many of the most fundamental laws of physics and chemistry.

have you tried "alternative medicine" ?

No. Never have, never will.

From what I gather, homeopathy is placebo, which certainly works

From what I gather, homeopathy is placebo, which certainly works

Placebo's only work with small stuff, common colds and the such, if someone sells homeopathic medicines for cancer, that person is quack and needs to be reported for being a public health risk.

yoga has cured me of my ailments not making it up

proper diet preferably vegan diet solves a lot of old age and random problems which may arise
but it is a choice people have to choose vegan it should never be forced

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I will say herbalism and homeopathy really do work. many modern medicines are based around them. Aspirin is derived from the same science as using willow bark to combat fever
However, the rest of this thread is....odd.

They "work" because you think they do. It's called the placebo effect. The placebo effect works with pretty much anything, and the whole point of modern medicine is to do better than the placebo effect.

There's also a pretty big difference between "wild herb" and "purified chemical that was originally discovered from an extract of said wild herb".

[Resawa]

But there is science based around the whole aspirin willow bark thing

[Vitaphone Racing]

Alternative medicine is bullshit. Everyone either knows this or refuses to accept the evidence behind it, much like vaccines. I've long learned there's no point trying to get people to change their minds on this topic.

[Vitaphone Racing]

But there is science based around the whole aspirin willow bark thing

If something legitimately works then it's not alternative medicine, it's medicine.

[Siaos]

Alternative medicine can definantly help, if you know what you're doing. However, it will never be as effective, convenient, or easily obtainable as conventional modern medicine.

[Resawa]

Oh sorry, I was carrying over with herbalism, not on alt medicine

[Regnum Dominae]

But there is science based around the whole aspirin willow bark thing

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

Acetylsalicylic acid, commonly known as aspirin, is a chemical that was originally discovered as the active ingredient of willow bark extract. Which is quite different from simply using willow bark.

The fact that some medicines have been derived from natural sources does not, in any way, lend any credit to alternative medicine.

[Resawa]

But there is science based around the whole aspirin willow bark thing

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

Acetylsalicylic acid, commonly known as aspirin, is a chemical that was originally discovered as the active ingredient of willow bark extract. Which is quite different from simply using willow bark.

The fact that some medicines have been derived from natural sources does not, in any way, lend any credit to alternative medicine.

The acid is released upon chewing the bark

[Resawa]

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

Acetylsalicylic acid, commonly known as aspirin, is a chemical that was originally discovered as the active ingredient of willow bark extract. Which is quite different from simply using willow bark.

The fact that some medicines have been derived from natural sources does not, in any way, lend any credit to alternative medicine.

The acid is released upon chewing the bark

Btw I'm neither an expert on medicine or herbalism
My brother was a nut about all this, had a garden and was writing a book, but really all I know is the aspirin thing

[Ifreann]

By definition, I begin, alternative medicine, I continue, has either not been proved to work or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine.

[Novalandia]

But there is science based around the whole aspirin willow bark thing

If something legitimately works then it's not alternative medicine, it's medicine.

This.

"Alternative medicine" is pseudoscience.

[United Furry Alliance]

Alternative medicine has nothing on official medicine.

[Regnum Dominae]

I'm not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

Acetylsalicylic acid, commonly known as aspirin, is a chemical that was originally discovered as the active ingredient of willow bark extract. Which is quite different from simply using willow bark.

The fact that some medicines have been derived from natural sources does not, in any way, lend any credit to alternative medicine.

The acid is released upon chewing the bark

Yes, but the acetylsalicylic acid is far from the only thing in there.

Because there are so many different chemical components of the willow bark, you're going to get all kinds of unintended side effects and drug interactions. Whereas with the purified aspirin, the aspirin itself is the only chemical component, so there will be far less side effects.

Herbal remedies tend to have a much longer list of side effects and interactions. Take a look at the massive list of drug interactions for St. John's wort for example.

[Americanada]

By definition, I begin, alternative medicine, I continue, has either not been proved to work or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine.

Where have I heard this before in exactly the same wording, eh Tim Minchin?

[Ifreann]

By definition, I begin, alternative medicine, I continue, has either not been proved to work or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine.

Where have I heard this before in exactly the same wording, eh Tim Minchin?

I have no idea what you're talking about

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I believe a lifestyle influenced by much of it is healthier than the average e.g. American, British or Mexican lifestyle, and that naturopathy, correct hygiene habits and lessening your exposition to many damaging artificial products can be good at preventing or even helping your body to solve minor and mild issues for you in the long-term, but no, it shouldn't be taken as a cure for diseases.

[Taoju]

Placebo effect is alternative medicine. Though there are some components of modern medicine (the chemicals themselves) that are taken from alternative medicine.

Not a med student, so I'll leave my points at the doir. Feel free to kick the shizz out of it.

[Nervium]

I sometimes drink herbal tea, with some good amount of lemonjuice and honey in it when I have a cold.

That counts as alternative medicine, right?

[Americanada]

Where have I heard this before in exactly the same wording, eh Tim Minchin?

I have no idea what you're talking about

... Tim Minchin is a poster!

I believe a lifestyle influenced by much of it is healthier than the average e.g. American, British or Mexican lifestyle, and that naturopathy, correct hygiene habits and lessening your exposition to many damaging artificial products can be good at preventing or even helping your body to solve minor and mild issues for you in the long-term, but no, it shouldn't be taken as a cure for diseases.

Shall I ask where your extraordinary evidence to the contrary is or do you still hold the view that precludes peer-review as something only American and Canadian pharmaceutical companies do to increase revenue or should I assume your body is so askew that the purview of medicine cannot deduce that body of yours where problems are fixed by a product no different than the morning dew out of my view that somehow infects nobody with memories of poo?

[Regnum Dominae]

I believe a lifestyle influenced by much of it is healthier than the average e.g. American, British or Mexican lifestyle, and that naturopathy, correct hygiene habits and lessening your exposition to many damaging artificial products can be good at preventing or even helping your body to solve minor and mild issues for you in the long-term, but no, it shouldn't be taken as a cure for diseases.

What even is naturopathy anyway? It just seems to me to be a catch all term for whatever the altie "natural health" fad is this week.

Oh, and how does something being artificial make it bad?

[Regnum Dominae]

I have no idea what you're talking about

... Tim Minchin is a poster!

I believe a lifestyle influenced by much of it is healthier than the average e.g. American, British or Mexican lifestyle, and that naturopathy, correct hygiene habits and lessening your exposition to many damaging artificial products can be good at preventing or even helping your body to solve minor and mild issues for you in the long-term, but no, it shouldn't be taken as a cure for diseases.

Shall I ask where your extraordinary evidence to the contrary is or do you still hold the view that precludes peer-review as something only American and Canadian pharmaceutical companies do to increase revenue or should I assume your body is so askew that the purview of medicine cannot deduce that body of yours where problems are fixed by a product no different than the morning dew out of my view?

The hilarious thing is that there is now a homeopathic "remedy" where ultra-diluted water is the "active" ingredient. They're diluting water in water.
http://thethoughtstash.wordpress.com/20 ... thy-water/

[Geilinor]

But there is science based around the whole aspirin willow bark thing

So clearly you don't understand the difference between "wild herb" and "purified chemical that was originally discovered from an extract of said wild herb".

[Geilinor]

I sometimes drink herbal tea, with some good amount of lemonjuice and honey in it when I have a cold.

That counts as alternative medicine, right?

Only if you're expecting it to cure you.

[Nervium]

I sometimes drink herbal tea, with some good amount of lemonjuice and honey in it when I have a cold.

That counts as alternative medicine, right?

Only if you're expecting it to cure you.

It helps to open up my sinuses.

[Regnum Dominae]

Only if you're expecting it to cure you.

It helps to open up my sinuses.

I wouldn't call that alternative medicine.

I would call "herbal tea cures my cold because it interacts with the meridians that trasmit the qi force through my body in such a way that eliminates negative miasmas" or some bs like that, alternative "medicine".