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[PASSED] Commend Todd McCloud

Postby Topid » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:48 pm

A proposal has been drafted on the forums The Security Council which has become a region and forum full of players active in the WASC.

This proposal has met quorum.
SECURITY COUNCIL

ImageCommend Todd McCloud
A resolution to recognize outstanding contribution by a nation or region.

Category: Commendation| Nominee: Todd McCloud | Proposed by: Topid


The World Assembly,

NOTING Todd McCloud’s long list of accomplishments across various fields,

ACKNOWLEDGING Todd McCloud’s experience as a Role Player in The East Pacific, with notable role-play incidents including Shiro Academy and The Listonian Crisis,

PRAISING the successful defenses of Poland, a founderless region, by then World Assembly Delegate of Poland Todd McCloud,

FURTHER PRAISING Todd McCloud’s work as leader of the Slavic Alliance in defending Slavic Regions from the grips of Macedon,

RECOGNIZING Todd McCloud as a highly successful raider, leading raiding missions and coups in many prominent regions,

IMPRESSED with Todd McCloud’s public stance against Macedon and other raiders who use hidden passwords to destroy the target region without giving natives or defenders any chance to fight for the region,

ASTONISHED that during Todd McCloud's delegacy The East Pacific --previously one of the most inactive feeders-- has been transformed into one of the most active regions in the world,

RECALLING that Todd McCloud has been an active member of the World Assembly Security Council since its inception, having authored the Security Council commendations of Kandarin and Goobergunchia and the condemnation of Macedon;

ALSO RECOGNIZING Todd McCloud’s use of media to improve the World, including his creation of The South Pacific Wiki, a collection of articles about NationStates; and his use of online videos in Fox Rite and The East Pacific

COMMENDS Todd McCloud for his honorable service across many fields of the NationStates world.

Co Authored by: Sedgistan, Unibot, and Travancore-Cochin

Links:
Listonian RP: http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/The_E ... topic=6286
Shiro RP: http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/The_E ... topic=6514
Draft thread on TSC forums: http://s1.zetaboards.com/The_Security_C ... post337265

And I really did get direct quotes and/or many ideas and suggestions from the Co Authors on TSC's forum.

What are your thoughts NS? I plan to submit this on Friday (a shorter draft stage then normal because it has been drafted already in TSC's forum, which is full of active WAers).
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Postby Bazatia » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:55 pm

I think that this is good, he has had many accomplishments in his time as a NS player.
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Postby Dyr Nasad » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:00 pm

I don't think you need to use that many links, but this is well-deserved.

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Postby Topid » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:08 pm

Dyr Nasad wrote:I don't think you need to use that many links, but this is well-deserved.

My main concern was that if I just said Todd McCloud's without using the tag, a few delegates/voters might see that and think "A NAME? ZOMG AGAINST!!!" *shrugs*
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Postby Dyr Nasad » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:10 pm

Perhaps you can use it the first few times? Right now I just see too many links :P

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Postby Topid » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:29 pm

Okay. None really reads them anyway, just a quick glance.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:15 pm

You only need to link to The East Pacific and Macedon once. And Todd not at all. A link already appears atop the proposal.
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Postby Topid » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:24 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:You only need to link to The East Pacific and Macedon once. And Todd not at all. A link already appears atop the proposal.

I'll remove The East Pacific's and Macedon's except one.

See above for Todd's.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:17 pm

ASTONISHED at the level of activity in one of the world’s most active regions, The East Pacific achieved during the delegacy of Todd McCloud because prior to the reign of Todd McCloud, The East Pacific was a relatively inactive for a feeder region,


Needs to be reworded, it's messy. Something like

ASTONISHED at the increase of activity achieved in The East Pacific underneath the reign of Todd McCloud,
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Postby Topid » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:07 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:
ASTONISHED at the level of activity in one of the world’s most active regions, The East Pacific achieved during the delegacy of Todd McCloud because prior to the reign of Todd McCloud, The East Pacific was a relatively inactive for a feeder region,


Needs to be reworded, it's messy. Something like

ASTONISHED at the increase of activity achieved in The East Pacific underneath the reign of Todd McCloud,

Lol, I think I tried to edit it once and left in all the words I meant to replace, because I said the same thing twice...

Changed to:
ASTONISHED that during Todd McCloud's delegacy The East Pacific, one of the most inactive feeders, has been transformed into one of the most active regions in the world,
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:11 pm

It would make more sense as 'previously one of the most inactive feeders'.

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Postby Topid » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:19 pm

Okay, done. :p

It's too bad we put more effort into editing this than the 5000 voters put into reading it combined. :roll:
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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:30 pm

IMPRESSED with Todd McCloud’s public stance against Macedon and other raiders who use of hidden passwords to destroy the target region without giving natives or defenders any chance to fight for the region,


Awkward, erroneous language.

Try this, instead as well....
ASTONISHED that during Todd McCloud's delegacy, The East Pacific --previously one of the most inactive feeders-- has been transformed into one of the most active regions in the world,


RECALLING that Todd McCloud has been an active member of The World Assembly Security Council since its inception, having authored the Security Council Commendations of Kandarin and Goobergunchia and the Condemnation of Macedon;


Erroneous capitalizations.

ALSO RECOGNIZING Todd McCloud’s use of media to improve the NationStates World, including his creation of The South Pacific Wiki, a collection of articles about NationStates; and his use of online videos in Fox Rite and The East Pacific
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I feel like "NationStates World" is unnecessary and redundant, "to improve the World" is fine.
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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:35 pm

Topid wrote:COMMENDS Todd McCloud for his honorable service across many fields of the NationStates world.

Co Authored by: Sedgisatan, Unibot, and Trav-Coch


We're not using the 'nation in front of the player' line? :(

Also, if I get co-author credit, I'd rather it be for Sedgistan than Sedgisatan.

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Postby Topid » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:50 pm

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
IMPRESSED with Todd McCloud’s public stance against Macedon and other raiders who use of hidden passwords to destroy the target region without giving natives or defenders any chance to fight for the region,


Awkward, erroneous language.

Another case of failing to take out words when I replace them. :-(

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:Try this, instead as well....
ASTONISHED that during Todd McCloud's delegacy, The East Pacific --previously one of the most inactive feeders-- has been transformed into one of the most active regions in the world,

Done.

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
RECALLING that Todd McCloud has been an active member of The World Assembly Security Council since its inception, having authored the Security Council Commendations of Kandarin and Goobergunchia and the Condemnation of Macedon;


Erroneous capitalizations.

Oops, messed me up switching from naming the specific resolutions (needs capitalization) and this way. Also, it's the World Assembly? How have I not noticed this???

Unibotian WASC Mission wrote:
ALSO RECOGNIZING Todd McCloud’s use of media to improve the NationStates World, including his creation of The South Pacific Wiki, a collection of articles about NationStates; and his use of online videos in Fox Rite and The East Pacific
;

I feel like "NationStates World" is unnecessary and redundant, "to improve the World" is fine.

Hehehe that's because that line used to refference "youtube" and I knew I was on a whole new level of OOC. But, since the mention of "youtube" is gone I'll remove it.

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Topid wrote:COMMENDS Todd McCloud for his honorable service across many fields of the NationStates world.

Co Authored by: Sedgisatan, Unibot, and Trav-Coch


We're not using the 'nation in front of the player' line? :(

Also, if I get co-author credit, I'd rather it be for Sedgistan than Sedgisatan.

Hehe, COMMENDS the player in front of Todd McCloud? Tempting, but two wrongs don't make a right. :lol:

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Postby Topid » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:18 pm

I have submitted. Delegates, prepare to check your inboxes!! :lol:
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:06 am

I would concur that Tood McCloud has the qualities for a commendation, but if this fails to reach quorum, there's always an opportunity to remove unnecessary links: one link per entity should do and no need to link Todd McCloud himself in the description. Otherwise, I'm supporting it and voting for it.

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Postby Unibotian WASC Mission » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:21 pm

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I would concur that Tood McCloud has the qualities for a commendation, but if this fails to reach quorum, there's always an opportunity to remove unnecessary links: one link per entity should do and no need to link Todd McCloud himself in the description. Otherwise, I'm supporting it and voting for it.


One positive of the links is that it reads like a nation, by using the pretitle. ex. "The Republic of Kandarin"

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Postby The Bruce » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:33 am

With Todd McCloud one might argue that he be both condemned for his role as an invader, and commended for his community building in the East Pacific and in his general pursuit of diplomacy.

While the East Pacific did lapse, previous to his delegacy, it was once an active community under the previous invader delegates of the Farkers, who have mostly retired from raider. I do appreciate the democratic process that he has applied to the delegacy there, voting as the membership requests even when it opposes his personal views; especially when it causes him to vote against the invader voting block.
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Postby Topid » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:07 pm

Thank you to all the co-authors of Commend Todd McCloud, which met quorum moments ago. Also, thank you to the delegates who approved my proposal. Finally, of course, thanks to Todd McCloud for being an outstanding member of so many great communities.
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:07 pm

Congratulations, good to see this in the queue :)

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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:14 am

This is at vote now. I think its a well-written resolution, and that Todd is worthy of commendation - as such, I've voted for it.

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Postby Kandarin » Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:22 am

Since Rejected Realms internal voting has been unanimously in favor (RR policy is to begin internal voting when a proposal reaches quorum and end it when it reaches the floor) I have voted for the commendation.
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Postby A mean old man » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:26 pm

*sigh.*

You can't mention his previous status as a raider without having to understate it, then elaborate extensively on every single one of his accomplishments as a defender, can you? Just have to keep the defenders always at the top of the Security Council?

I'm for commending Todd for his achievements, but the obvious bias here annoys me a bit. Especially when he himself has perpetually expressed his frustration with the complete defender bias in commendations and stated that he would like to see the politically skilled invaders commended for their politics and hard work. Sure, you did what he asked, but you took the most minimalistic approach possible, and proceeded to drown it out with defender patriotism.

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The multiple, long links in the resolution are also rather visually agitating. I thought that had been brought up much earlier...

Well, this is probably going to pass as it is now, and I don't think there'll be any chance to make any more edits. As far as I can see, despite the mere mention of (and total lack of elaboration on) his feats as a raider, the defenders are still working as hard as they can to keep themselves on top of the SC. So much for that idea,Todd.
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Postby Travancore-Cochin » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:52 pm

A mean old man wrote:I'm for commending Todd for his achievements, but the obvious bias here annoys me a bit. Especially when he himself has perpetually expressed his frustration with the complete defender bias in commendations and stated that he would like to see the politically skilled invaders commended for their politics and hard work. Sure, you did what he asked, but you took the most minimalistic approach possible, and proceeded to drown it out with defender patriotism.

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As far as I can see, despite the mere mention of (and total lack of elaboration on) his feats as a raider, the defenders are still working as hard as they can to keep themselves on top of the SC. So much for that idea,Todd.


I see two references related to defending (which could have been rolled into one), and one reference related to raiding. Most of the other references don't even deal with the I/D game. I don't know what this "defender bias" and "defender patriotism" that you speak of is.

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